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Weeza
Username: Weeza

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:07 pm:   

A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case has been arrested in Bangkok, Thailand, two law enforcement officials told CNN. The suspect has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, CNN's Denver affiliate, KUSA, reported. The 6-year-old's beaten and strangled body was found in the basement of the family home in Boulder, Colorado, the day after Christmas in 1996.

More to come...no names yet
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Douglas_oswell
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:14 pm:   

Interesting. I think it's pretty well known that pedos like to travel to certain exotic locations where the "kiddies" are easier to come by than in the U.S.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I never really thought that the Ramseys were involved, for a variety of reasons, but then again, I never really gave this case much time.
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Hawk
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Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:19 pm:   

ALRIGHT!!!!!!!! Good Deal.
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Johno
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:26 pm:   

The arrested subject is a school teacher from Conyers Georgia.
Conyers by the way was the site of a school shooting on may 20, 1999 exactly one month after the Columbine massacre.
A high school student opened fire on six other students.
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Etphoto
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Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:41 pm:   

Let me be the first to take my foot out of my mouth. I pointed all my fingers at Patsy and I was wrong.

The media is claiming Patsy was told of the pending arrest prior to her death. The suspect's name was apparently on the list of several suspects for a while. Good job to everyone that had a hand in solving the case.

ET
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Etphoto
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Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:43 pm:   

I guess we will see this on Cold Case files sometime in the near future. :-)

ET

PS: Apparently there was a partial confession
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Weeza
Username: Weeza

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:50 pm:   

John Karr was arrested today in Thailand today...
That's his name
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Tom_stout
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Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 3:20 pm:   

What great news!
I'd like to think Patsy pulled some strings on the other side to help catch this monster. I hear he was a second grade school teacher. Remind you of anyone? I always suspected a home intruder like Richard Allen Davis or David Westerfield. I never once seriously suspected the parents.
Congrats to all!!
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Johno
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 3:30 pm:   

He's 41 years old.
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Sandy
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 3:35 pm:   

Tom stout, I am glad that I was not the only one who felt strongly it was a intruder.I was glad to hear that Patsy knew about this suspect before she died. Thursday at 2pm Mt. time Boulder DA's office will give a statement. Nancy Grace will have the story on her show tonight.John Mark karr gave the police information only the killer could know. I wonder if he did this alone.To spend as much time as he did in the home that night, you would think he would have a look out.This guy lived in Georgia at one time as well as Boulder, from what I heard on the news.
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Weeza
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 3:40 pm:   

They moved it up to 12, at least thats what CNN said
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 3:45 pm:   

There's a DNA match!
Slam dunk baby!
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Weeza
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 4:05 pm:   

I certainly hope so
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Johno
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 4:59 pm:   

We had a eight year unsolved child murder solved last year here in the Coachella Valley.
A 10 year old boy named Anthony Martinez was kidnapped from his home in Beaumont in April 1997 and his body was found on a remote road in the foothills near Indio.
In May of 2005 a mother, her son and a family friend were found murdered in Idaho and two of her children were missing. One was found dead and the other was found alive in the company of her kidnapper Joseph Duncan in July of 2005. Duncan confessed to the Martinez murder.
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Linda
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:05 pm:   

MSNBC reported a DNA match - but it was only on for a very few minutes a couple of hours ago - and I've not seen and/or heard it reported on other news channels. They've apparently stopped that report - for whatever reason.

I know we want to believe that they've caught the right person; however, from these very early and slightly cryptic reports (confessing only to "certain aspects" of the crime; having connections to Conyers, Georgia - not mentioning any connection to Boulder where the crime took place).

One other thing that's being reported and listed on what they know of John Karr is that he was "arrested in Thailand on unrelated charges." Does this mean that the Thai authorities arrested him for some other crime - Could there be that slight possibility that he's trying to confess to "certain aspects" of the JonBenet crime in order to get back to the US to avoid whatever punishment may be awaiting him for crimes he may have committed under Thai authority?

Anyway - those are questions I have - and will be very anxious to hear everything they have directly from the DA's office - report to come tomorrow around noon EST. If they have the DNA, I agree, it's probably a slam-dunk - especially if it can be proven he was in Boulder on the night of the murder.
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Sandy
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:48 pm:   

Northern Calif. connection !!! In 2000 - April 2001 John Karr taught 2nd grade in Petaluma.The same town that Polly Klaas had lived.From what I understand, there are outstanding warrants from that area on this sicko.
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Sandy
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 6:59 pm:   

Linda, I have the same thoughts about his wanting to get out of Bangkok. He was in Boulder Dec.25th 1996 as reported on CNN.Whatever he did in Bangkok has to be pretty bad for him to have been arrested there. That is a pets paradise !
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Linda
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 7:15 pm:   

Sandy - who's reporting he was in Boulder on Dec 25th - hadn't heard that yet...
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Linda
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 7:19 pm:   

Sandy - sorry about that - I see you said they reported that on CNN - I'll have to change channels.
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Weeza
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 7:58 pm:   

i wonder if he was involved in the Klauss case?
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Weeza
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:05 pm:   

or knew R Davis?
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Weeza
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:10 pm:   

I'd like to know where he has been over the last 15 years...
My klaas comment was stupid. Ignore me
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Johno
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:39 pm:   

In the Klass case Richard Allen Davis abducted the girl and then killed her but he didn't leave a nore.
In the Anthony Martinez case that I mentioned above, he was aducted from his yard in California and his abuctor sped away in a car. A grab and run. His murderer would later go on to abduct Shasta and Dylan Groene from their home in Idaho but he killed the two adults and the teenage in the home, he didn't leave a note.
Why would this guy Karr leave a three page detailed note about abducting the girl for ransom? He killed her and left the body on the premises so again what's the purpose of then note.
The note was obviously written before the crime and maybe he planned on abducting the girl and leaving the note to disguise his real plan of abducting, raping and killing her but once she's been killed in the house why leave the note? Why not just abort that plan and forget about leaving a note?
Other child molester predators turned murders don't leave elaborate notes. And why sign it SBTC?
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Linda
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 9:25 pm:   

I've been watching the news stories on the different channels (including CNN), but still haven't heard that this guy was in Boulder on the night JonBenet was killed... Sandy - which show were you watching on CNN?
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Johno
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Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 9:47 pm:   

Karr worked as a substitute teacher for Petaluma City Elementary School District from Dec 8, 2000 - April 2, 2001.
He was officially fired on April 11, 2001 after being arrested on five counts of possessing child pornography. The pornography was found on his computer and the Sonoma County Sheriff's department was notified.
He fled before he was convicted and a warrant for his arrest is still outstanding.
This information is from the San Francisco Chronicle.
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Johno
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 10:09 pm:   

"This is such a surprise that he is alive. I thought someone had killed him."
- Wexford Karr, father of John Mark Karr to the Denver Post on August 16, 2006.

He says he has not seen or talked with his son since 2001.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 3:52 am:   

According to Fox News, the Ramseys actually mentioned Karr as a possible suspect, years ago, though he wasn't pursued.
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Hallowtim
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Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 5:19 am:   

I agree....this is incredible!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/th ailand_jonbenet_ramsey
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Scott_ben
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Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 5:47 am:   

I just recently changed careers this past year, being in the hotel management field for the past 15 years. John and Patsy Ramsey stayed in my hotel in Bethesda a couple of times in 2005, when her cancer resurfaced and she was undergoing treatment at NIH in Bethesda. I, like many had always believed they had something to do with their daughters death. I can tell you after one night of them staying in my hotel and speaking with the breifly, my entire notion of the case changed. It was obivous that these people could never harm anyone much less their daughter. They were both very considerate and kind people. The police department in this case should be held resposible for the treatment and victimazation of this family.
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Scott_ben
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 6:20 am:   

That being said, I am not totally conviced as of yet this man is the killer of JonBenet. He may be some nut who has been fed the info by an over zealous law enforcement official. I hope he is the one though!
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Sandy
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 6:28 am:   

Linda, It was Headline News on CNN.I just heard on KTVU Channel 2, that Karr admitted to the police that he was with Jon Benet on the night of her death. He said that her death was a accident ! They showed a picture of this sicko, he is very good looking. It just goes to show you that these people can look like your next door neighbor, you just never know.I still haven't heard that they have checked his DNA. I did hear that they will check it.I just can't believe that he thinks we will believe this was a accident.The slow strangulation I have heard some use in sexual acts. The blow to the head (which didn't kill her)came after the strangulation.The time line of him living and working in Petaluma, has changed to his being let go from his sub-teaching job in 2003. I also caught a glimse of a address on one of the papers addressed to him as Santa Rosa.
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Sandy
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 6:56 am:   

Johno, "If"it is true that it was a accident, then the note had to be written before she was killed, and his plan was to take her with him for ransom.I just don't understand if that was the case, why stop in the basement and torture her ? Did he write the note while she ate the pineapple ? Someone slept in her bed after the Ramseys left town,and left their cowboy boots there.If it was him who slept there and left the boots, then his DNA will be inside the boots as well.I haven't heard that the palm print which was found in the basement, is a match to Karr yet.
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 7:13 am:   

It was an "accident" that he strangled her with a garotte?
It was an "accident" that he put an 8 inch crack in her skull?
Hopefully he'll meet his demise from an "accident" in prison.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 7:45 am:   

I wonder if this loser was ever over in Jenner! He may have had a chip on his shoulder about his treatment by Sonoma County Authorities.
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Sandy
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 9:08 am:   

Vallejo Dave,Who knows what this perv. was thinking.I am sticking my neck out to say that my take on this guy is that he is giving a false confession to get out of Bangkok.I watched him talk to the press, I believe he has a obsession with Jon Benet and knows just enough to get him in trouble. He wrote to Patsy and she gave the notes to the police.Due to the lack of physical evidence we will just have to wait and see. I just don't think this is the guy, but some other perv. If it is true that she had drugs in her when she was killed then maybe he did do it.
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Sandy
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 9:37 am:   

I just stopped to listen to the DA Mary Lacy's press conference. She couldn't say anything about the case. Did see a foot note at the bottom of the screen,John Karr's exwife claims he was with her and the family the night of the killing !
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 10:29 am:   

Family alibis are a dime a dozen. Scott Peterson's mother still claims Scott's innocent too. It's amazing how family members will protect a loved one at any cost. I'd feel a whole lot better if Karr's alibi was from someone other than a family member.

Karr says he poisoned JonBenet. The autopsy says there was no poisoning. This could be one of the keys the police are holding. She may have been poisoned but the autopsy intentionally says she wasn't. Only the killer would know she truly was poisoned. It would explain why she was fed pineapple.
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Breakout
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:28 am:   

Australian news is reporting that Karr admitted to using Chloroform on JonBenet. Apparently he says he accidentally overdosed her. Doesn't explain the garrote or the trauma.
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Warren
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 1:23 pm:   

Why does Andy Warhol keep popping into my mind...
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Johno
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 3:22 pm:   

Tom, Family alibis may be a dime a dozen but Karr's ex-wife is not family. She's an ex wife who divorced him after he was charged with five counts of possessing child pornography.
I can't follow your analogy with Scott Peterson's mother. She was his mother who gave birth to him and refuses to admit that her beloved offspring could commit a henious crime.
Karr's ex-wife has been out of his life for over four years but she says they were living in Alabama and were together there on the night of JonBenet's murder. What does she have to gain or lose by saying that unless she's as nutty as he is. Or unless she doesn't want to admit to being married to a child murderer and is presenting a false alibi.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 5:45 pm:   

I know Karr has been typed, and is a pedophile/child molester. It seems to me that he still needs to be checked out for possible Norcal crimes. He lost a lot after his arrest\charges in Petaluma in 2001. He had his teaching certificate taken away, got divorced and may have been homeless after 4-2003, when he lived in Santa Rosa. Would you believe his resume about Germany, Honduras and other places? I wouldn't. I believe in touching all bases. It would be a simple matter to compare his handwriting with the log from Fish Head Beach, where the person is bragging about "no ID, I'm free, soon to walk nude along the beach, alone again, etc". If indeed Karr killed the Ramsey child, he would have had severe guilt and anxiety feelings at the time he was in Sonoma. Couple that with his downward spiral in Sonoma, and he may have wanted to just kill someone to get even.
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Patrick_t
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 4:48 am:   

I was watching the news yesterday and they show a comparison from a picture of John Mark Karr and the mughsot created in 2001.

Have anyone noticed how John Mark Karr's mugshot is very similar to the real guy? That made me think again of Z's mugshots..were they good or not?

I've been searching the net for the mugshot done by a medium but couldn't find it...that medium is very good though! both pictures are very similar.

As if we would catch Z today and he still looks like the mugshot done years ago, even if he said he look like this only when he was doing his things.
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Breakout
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 6:13 am:   

You mean composite...and yes it was eerily similar to one done by the psychic.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 7:39 am:   

Notice Karr's remarks about "Peter Pan", and his identity problems. If there is DNA from that beer bottle at FHB, it should be checked against Karr's.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JONBENET_RA MSEY?SITE=CAVAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Racerx
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 1:24 pm:   

He didn't do it.His story doesn't line up with the known evidence; he got his butt in a sling over there,and wants out, even if he is wanted here.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 2:11 pm:   

I wouldn't be too sure either way. The police have said that he's described elements of the murder scene that have been completely withheld from the public. And from my perspective the wording of the ransom note is indicative of the same type of personality displayed in Karr's online resume. And there's no indication that he was arrested for any crime committed in Thailand; the Thai police arrested him at the behest of the U.S. authorities who were afraid he was about to take off. If nothing else he's a real shrimp; a short, thin guy who could easily have slid through a basement window or some other tight place.

On the other hand, there's always the possibility that he's just some whacked-out pedo.
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Racerx
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 2:18 pm:   

He must have been Houdini; he left no footprints in the snow.and yes, he was popped over there too; that's why he wants to come home.they treat you a little different over there, and he knows it.Question burke, and you'll have the answer to this crime.
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 2:58 pm:   

From 1996-1998 he was substitute teaching at Winfield elementary in Winfield, Alabama and in 1996 at Hamilton high school in Hamilton, Alabama. He also was enrolled at Bevill State Community College there from fall semester 1996 to winter semester 1998. During this time he was also running a used car business.
His wife says he was at home in Hamilton with her and their three children during Christmas 1996. There has been no paper trail linking him to Boulder, Colorado and no one in his family can think of anyone he knew there or what connection he would have had there. John Ramsey says he didn't know him.
He would have been out of college classes for that Christmas break and the high school and elementary school would have been out for the Christmas break as well and the car business could have been closed for a few days if he was still operating it in late 1996 so there could have been a window of opportunity for him to leave Hamilton but how does he do it without detection from his wife and how and why does he go to a home of a family he doesn't know in a town and neighborhood he's unfamiliar with and successfully murder a child and then return to Hamilton, Alabama?
From what we know so far it just doesn't plausibly add up.
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Racerx
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 3:16 pm:   

Right you are.Law enforcement has concluded that this perp's story does not match ANY crime scene facts. The only thing that connects this perp to the Ramsey's are e-mails to patsy (non threatning) and that isn't a crime. Fact:his story doesn't float with the facts of the case; he wanted publicity, and he got it, enough to get him extradited back to the u.s. where the prison system is better than over there,the u.s. got first dibs on him, just what he wanted. like i said before; they treat pedo's a little different over there, and his butt got scared and wanted to come home, and this was his chance.He may very well be a killer, but he did not kill that little girl; that was an inside job, according to the evidence. The problem here is people are rushing to judgement. If that pos told me it was Christmas, I damn sure wouldn't hang up my stocking.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 4:59 pm:   

There is no verifiable record of where he went when he left Honduras on 8-4-04. Do Honduras and Nicaragua have flights to Malaysia? He could have hopped a flight to the Bay Area, then made connections to the far East.

Interesting that he was driving a Delorean in Alabama.
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Racerx
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 5:25 pm:   

The Delorean and it's sister The Bricklan(sp) were two of the worst cars ever designed. If you have a dead battery, your not getting in either one. These cars are cheap to purchase to those that want one.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   

Bart Baggett had some interesting handwriting specimens at his website.
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   

Johno,
I can understand why Karr's ex-wife would have motive to provide a false alibi. Can you imagine having to tell the children you "gave birth to" that their Daddy is JonBenet's killer? She could be in shock and denial.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   

I just read a news article in which it's claimed that records show he worked as a substitute teacher in Vina, Alabama, from December 17th to 19th, 1996. If that can be confirmed, it's going to be hard to place him in Boulder, Colorado a week later. It wouldn't be physically impossible, but what reason would he have for being there?
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:33 pm:   

I agree he wouldn't have any reason for being there Doug. He didn't know anyone there and no one has come forth so far to say that he was ever in Boulder at anytime. JonBenet Ramsey was only known outside of kiddie beauty pageants after her death so how would he even know of her existence unless he was surfing kid's beauty pageant with her picture and became infatuated with her to the point of tracking her down across several states and risk entering her home in a town he is unfamiliar with and a niegborhood he does not know.
Her titles were in Colorado and Michigan unless she entered a competition in Alabama and he saw her in person. It's still too big of a leap to have him show up in Boulder.

Tom, I could understand that too but she knows they'll swab him for DNA and compare it to what they have and whatever else the autorities have that may link him. So why would she risk being charged with obstructing a police investigation or obstructing justice for providing a false alibi for an ex-husband who she divorced for being arrested for child pornography?
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:48 pm:   

On the surface it seems highly unlikely. But remember, we don't know all the details just yet.
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:54 pm:   

Doug,
Isn't that Christmas vacation time or as they say in San Francisco "Holiday Break"?
Johno,
If someone were in shock and denial I wouldn't expect them to be rational.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 12:14 am:   

I think so, Tom. And he supposedly lost that job in 1996, so those were probably his last two days substitute teaching.
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 1:54 am:   

The initials S.B.T.C were written at the bottom of the ransom note.
It's my understanding that an ex-classmate found her yearbook where Karr signed Soon to Be The Conqueror.
What a strange coincidence.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 6:48 am:   

Just out of curiosity, take a look at how Karr writes the J in his signature on the court order at the Baggett site. Then compare it with the D in Drifwood(the perp spelled it wrong) and the R at the bottom of note #5 in the FHB logbook. The one put out by the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 8:55 am:   

Karr points the tops of his zeroes and tends to hook the tails of his Ys to the right, just as the ransom note writer does.
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Tom_stout
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 9:33 am:   

I'm sure Karr tried to disguise his writing style when he wrote the ransom note.

He knows details only the "Medical Examiner" would know. I'll bet it's in the autopsy report. JonBenet was poisoned with chloroform. Only the killer and authorities would know this.

I would think it's obvious that someone making a false confession would not say she was poisoned when it's public record she wasn't.
Why would the Boulder DA react this way to an "obvious" false confession?
Karr looks like the perp to me.
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Chari
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 11:10 am:   

Hamilton ALabama is not a big town, it is small, i live 30 miles from there, my husband used to work in Hamilton. I know they are shock to see someone from the area do this bad thing.
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Chari
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 12:03 pm:   

An Alabama law enforcement official said a visual match was made of an Alabama driver's license photograph with news photographs of the John Mark Karr who was being held in the Dec. 25, 1996, death of JonBenet.

John M. Karr, of Sheffield, was a substitute teacher in the Lauderdale County school system in 1999, and John Mark Karr was an intern teacher at the University of North Alabama's Kilby Laboratory School in early 2000, officials said.

Lauderdale County Superintendent William Valentine said a John M. Karr taught for 28.5 days between February 1999 and May 1999. Records do not include a date of birth or contain a photograph, he said, so he cannot say Karr and the Ramsey murder suspect are the same person.

Karr was not subject to an Alabama teacher background check because there was no law requiring one when he received a substitute teacher's certificate.

Karr was issued an Alabama substitute teacher certificate in July 1996, before Alabama law required background checks and before the law applied to current teachers.
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Johno
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 1:35 pm:   

These are John Mark Karr's 1995-1996 internet posts on his PowerWurks website that the person who now has website has posted:
http://www.powerwurks.com/
To the right are a collection of 19 of the topics he posted for possible discussion and five posts from people writing in.
The Teacher is of course him.
The 23 Year Old Female is his wife Lara. Did she actually write that thinking she was just helping him out with his site or did he put it in her name without her knowlege?
The other three, Girl Age 10, Justin Age 10 and 13 Cats who were supposedly written by kids responding to the site are all written in the same style of composition and grammer and it's unlikely they were written by actual kids but more likely by himself.
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 9:55 pm:   

It still is not adding up. The lack of ANY connection to Boulder, even to the state of Colorado is what puzzles me most. Usually with scrutiny of an individual by much of the traditional media as well as cybersleuths from all over such connections gush forth, but NO such connection has so far been described. Not even hinted at. That is very odd.
The only way he MIGHT have known JonBenet is she was in a little girl beauty pageant in the summer of 1996 in Atlanta. MAYBE, as Alabama is fairly close, he attended that event trolling as a pedophile will and became fixated on JonBenet and traced her back to Boulder.
But then it gets hard. He would have to travel to Boulder, find the house, watch it without any neighbors noticing, see the Ramseys leave for a party, get lucky that they did not come right away, break in bringing his cord, duct tape chloroform and whatever along, learn the layout of the house (which had a complicated floorplan), search a desk and find out John Ramsey
had received $118,000 as a bonus, write the note incorporating this amount, find the basement room and hide in it, wait until everyone is (hopefully for him) asleep, subdue JonBenet and carry her down to the basement, kill her, leave and get back to Alabama. ALL without leaving any paper trail, very little physical evidence and no witnesses. This could be done, but Occam's razor tells me it was somebody local, who knew JonBenet from local beauty contests, knew who the family was and had time to observe the house and learn patterns, knew about the bonus money and had committed burglary before.
As far as the ew-wife making a false alibi, I do not buy it. She is reported to have filed for divorce the day after his arrest for kiddie porn, asked for and received full custody of the 3 children and cut off all contact with him since that time. No motive for covering for him there.
As for not wanting to tell the kids, sounds to me she would delight in telling them just what a REALLY bad man he turned out to be.
As for the question that the Boulder DA surely has more that they aren't telling, maybe so. But look at the record of LE in this case. It is as dismal as ANY murder case I have ever read of in my 53 years. No reason for them to get it right now.
If any new evidence comes out to answer some of these questions, or if DNA or fingerprints match, I am wrong. For the record, I would be happy to be wrong and this be the guy. I have so wanted justice done for this little girl. But so far, it does not add up.
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Johno
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 10:57 pm:   

John Mark Karr will change his story on Sunday once the plane lands in Los Angeles. Maybe as soon as it leaves Thai airspace.
He will say he was pressured and coersed into giving a confession out of fear and being in an emotionally vulnerable state of mind.
He will say that he loves children and has dedicated his life as a teacher and he would never harm a child, after all he is a father of three himself.
He will say his interest in JonBenet Ramsey and Polly Klass was to research a book he wanted to write to bring attention to the victims of child predators and the problem of child predators in our society.
He'll say he feared for his life in the hands of Thai interagators and by falsely confessing in front of the assembled media it was the only way for him that he could think of at the time.
He will apologize for the distress he has caused the Ramsey family and his own.
It will be a win-win situation for the Royal Thai police. They will say if he was guilty they did what the American authorities couldn't and captured JonBenets murderer. And if he wasn't guilty of that crime they at least got a man wanted for child pornography charges off their streets and back in the custody of American authorities.
Thailand has more tourists than any country in Southeast Asia but 60% of them are so-called sex tourists so Thailand will look like they are making an effort to clean up the sex trade.
The Boulder DA will be redfaced and furious and blame the press for jumping to conclusions.
And JonBent's murder will remain unsolved.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 12:50 am:   

One is led to wonder whether, in the course of his internet trolling, Karr met up with a kindred spirit from the Boulder area. There was a guy named Helgoth who gave indications of having been connected with the murder who "committed suicide" two months afterward and who had spoken to an acquaintance just prior to the slaying regarding his prospect for coming into a large sum of money. Two months later, and immediately following an announcement that the list of suspects had been whittled down to one, he does himself in by shooting himself in the left side (he's right-handed) through a pillow. He evidently had a thing for little girls, and owned a stun gun (believed by some to have been used to incapacitate JonBenet) and a pair of the same type of boots the sole imprint of which was found at the murder scene.

Karr always seems to have had money, though his job record is spotty at best.

Whatever the case, I tend to agree with those who say that Karr didn't just get up one day and drive to Boulder, Colorado to molest a little girl whose existence he had no reason to know about.
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Vscantu
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 1:18 am:   

Tom Stout wrote,
"I would think it's obvious that someone making a false confession would not say she was poisoned when it's public record she wasn't.
Why would the Boulder DA react this way to an "obvious" false confession?
Karr looks like the perp to me."

A: Tom S., Yes I agree. I would not think that he or she would Not say that, of course not promoting the theory that he was not the poisoner. But that's a double negative, so I wouldn't say that. OK?
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Etphoto
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 6:36 am:   

I think the most interesting thing in this case is going to be the trial. Like all cases, us on the outside only know a small part of the case. The facts come out in court and you can bet (if Karr makes it to trail) his defense will try Patsy/John in the trial trying to get the jury to look at them more than his/her client. All the so called mistakes made by the cops will also be gone through. That is going to be one interesting trial.

ET
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 8:10 am:   

Here's a link to a pretty good-sized sample of handprinting by Karr. I'm no documents examiner, but based on a comparison between this and the Ramsey ransom note, I'm inclined to think that Karr is a very interesting suspect indeed. Anyone else?
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Racerx
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 8:18 am:   

In order to have a trial, you have to be charged with an offense; in which Karr hasn't been. He was deported for being an undesirable, thus no handcuffs. He is being brought to Boulder Co. for questioning. If there is enough evidence, for which there is not, he will be charged with several crimes pertaining to the case. If no evidence exists, he can only be charged with making false statements about the case. The facts state that his story does not match the evidence.He is lying to get attention, for which he is receiving. people shouldn't rush to judgement, we have too much of that here already.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 8:52 am:   

Who's rushing to judgement? The only ones doing that are those who seem hell-bent on convicting the parents in the media and seem worried that their hallowed theory may be about to go boobs-up.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 9:36 am:   

Maybe he is pregnant? lol---or wants a better sex change operation in the West.

I note he will be wearing a red shirt when he arrives in LA.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:55 am:   

Now the professionals are starting to weigh in.
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Hawk
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:36 am:   

Doug, a different expert claimed Karrs writing didn't match the Ransom note. Unless there is a conclusive DNA match, I'm going to remain a skeptic as per his involvment.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:47 am:   

Oh, I'm not saying he did it. By all means, let's see all the evidence. So far as handwriting experts are concerned, the more I see of them, the less I'm impressed.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 12:14 pm:   

I'd like to see that handwriting expert from Jacksonville analize the FHB # 5 entry just for the hell of it. To see if he thinks it was written by a ped.
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Colette
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 7:13 pm:   

Racerx there was no snow around the house. This was a falsehood repeated over and over. DNA of unknown white male under JBR nail and the same DNA mixed with a JBR blood drop in panties says it all.
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Racerx
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 2:50 am:   

You are incorrect, no DNA on panties. And yes, there was snow. $100.00 says he didn't do it. Loser donates to this site for upkeep.
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Colette
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 8:10 am:   

Racerx, yes DNA on panties. Here is just one link from CBS.. "DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear"
http://tinyurl.com/gyqog
Also there was snow in the yard but not on the sidewalks or close to the home itself. From just one link..." Police statements about there being no footprints in the snow were misleading as there was no snow around most of the perimeter of the house." From Crimelibrary..
http://tinyurl.com/ejvxj
That link also has info about DNA in panties. I have links to back up my statements, where are yours? I never said I thought Karr was the killer. I said the Ramsey's aren't. There was even a ruling about this in a federal court of law. AND here is my link..
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/002342.html
About upkeep to this site. I make regular donations, do you?
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 8:18 am:   

Racerx, the guy who says that people shouldn't rush to judgement, seems to be rushing to judgement.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:26 pm:   

Champagne, Fried Prawns, Walnut salad greens(probly with vinagrette dressing), Chocolate desert, before the main entree of Roast Duck with yellow noodles, a glass of wine, some Aviance, a beer (the can was crushed).

Blue polo shirt. red button down shirt with tie.

Hmmmmm---
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:57 pm:   

Tomorrow he gets to go to Disneyland and on Wednesday it's Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 6:22 pm:   

I don't know ... the next meal he's liable to get that even comes close may well be his last one.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 6:37 pm:   

Johno, LOL. I think they should take him to the "Adjustment Center" At San Quentin or Folsom with his new red shirt and turn him loose to the general population!
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 8:50 pm:   

It's like he was the winner of the Asia-Pacific regionals of American Idol Pedophile recently held in Bangkok, Thailand.
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Jim_t
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Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 9:00 pm:   

The newspaper reported that Karr was in Sinapore to get a sex change operation, which costs around $1,650 or about 10X less than the USA. Did anyone see Karrs home movies from '92 where he has a mullet haircut. Who's this Wendy women who said five years ago Karr told her how her the story of what happened at the Ramseys on Christmass in '96. I wonder how MJ feels when Karr compares himself to him in his emotional development.
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Warren
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Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 7:31 am:   

I know this sounds crazy, but I can sit here, close my eyes, block out all external stimuli, and accurately see the entire contents of next week's People magazine.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 8:08 am:   

Well, if nothing else, Karr is now officially a "person."
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Scott_ben
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Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 1:22 pm:   

Ok guys, here is my theory. I am serious. I believe John Carr believes himself to be Patsy Ramsey. This is some weird psycho-mix of gender confusion, Munchausen Syndrome by proxy and obsessive complusive disorder. I think he will say Patsy Ramsey killed Jonbenet and he knows this because he is Patsy Ramsey! Everybody has to admit this guy look crazy enough to believe something like that!
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Sandy
Username: Sandy

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 1:39 pm:   

Weeza, The Polly Klaas case has been a thorn in my side from the start. I know that Richard Allen Davis took her from her home, thats a given. What has been on my mind, is why if he was the only person envolved, would he ask which one of the girls was the one who lived there ? It was as if he was paid to go and get Polly for someone else. It wasn't until he had a visitor the morning of his arrest, that he told the police were the body was.When he gave the finger to someone at his trial,I felt it was to the other person who was envolved, not to Mark Klaas.It would be interesting to know if John Karr did know R A. Davis, somehow I have a gut feeling Karr has never killed anyone ever.Watching him on that plane ride, reminded me of a boy caught with his hands in the cookie jar.I'll bet he never saw Jon Benet until the media put her on on the front covers of rag mags and news papers.The information he had that was "so secret", could have come from Michael tracy. Tracy from what I understood knew the Ramsey's and could have gotten that info from them, he then gave it to Karr.I would still like to know who besides the killer, could have taken pictures of Jon Benet on the basement floor,and posted them on the net before the Globe or any other rag mag showed pictures of her ? Something that looked like a baseball bat was near her head in this picture. A six letter cipher was at the bottom of the picture, like the ones drawn in the three part cipher of the Z's. I found it very odd that the person who wrote the note used the Dirty Harry phrase, and the picture having the Z cipher beneath it. This killer must have read the Z book,and was a admirer of the Z.He even went as far as to print a 3 page letter that has a resemblance to the old Z letters,but adding a tail to most of the letters.
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Sandy
Username: Sandy

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 2:29 pm:   

Am I seeing things or is that eye liner I see on his eyes ? Tom V., Can he be the Singapore Slinger ? He is I believe delusional enough to believe in time travel,and say that is how he was with Jon Benet on 12/25/96.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 2:59 pm:   

Yes Sandy, that's eyeliner. Permanent eyeliner it looks like. He had electrolysis or laser or some hair removal treament done to his face and you can see that he's also had it done to his arms. In the old home videos of him he has dark arm hair and now he has none at all. I'm sure that he has had it done to his legs as well. It lends credence to the doctor in Thailand who claims that Karr wanted to undergo transgender surgery and he must have been in early pre-op stages but had not yet begun taking hormones for growing breasts.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 5:46 pm:   

Sandy and Johno---LOL.

Do you think Sonoma County will still want him, after all this comes down?

I wonder if anyone has done a genital exam yet?
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Jim_t
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Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 7:22 pm:   

So far who do you think has done the best coverage so far? Nancy Grace, Larry King, Anderson Cooper, Greta, Fox news, Inside Edition, etc. During the OJ trail national Enquirer and other news tabloids came up with the best leads. I wonder what scoops they can come up with, John Karr line dancing to "Achy Breaky Heart". Karrs red Delorean "Chick Magnet" doesn't pass smog test. It would be nice if Nancy Grace would let her guests finnish their sentences before she interupts them and goes on a triade, on a subject she has no knowledge on.
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Bookworm
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 9:23 pm:   

S=19 B=2 T=20 C=3 or !( @ @) # in number upper case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KARR
K.A.R.R. similar to S.B.T.C (wonder why no dot after C?)Premiered on Knight Rider on November 19, 1982.
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Johno
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Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 9:53 pm:   

"Sorry 'Bout That Chief." - Maxwell Smart
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 10:22 pm:   

Bookworm wrote: "S=19 B=2 T=20 C=3 or !( @ @) # in number upper case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KARR
K.A.R.R. similar to S.B.T.C (wonder why no dot after C?)"

Huh??

Jim T: I think the best coverage has come from the "CNN Headline News" channel. Mostly on the "Nancy Grace" news show, which also airs on th "Court TV" channel. But thank God Nancy Grace has been 'on vacation' this whole time.

I'm with you: she's always extremely rude, accusatory to her guests & belittles them constantly. (Not to mention the cheap blonde nylon wig she wears & her grotesque, Tammy-Faye Baker-style makeup, seemingly applied with paint rollers). I hope her "vacation" is due to customer complaints, and turns into a 'permanent' one.

The substitute lady anchors on her show have done a marvelous job covering this John Karr case. They are totally fair, unassuming, objective & ask all the right questions that "the common person" would ask. Definitely the best coverage of this case on TV.
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Tom_voigt
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 10:26 pm:   

Let's continue this discussion here.

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