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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 5:57 pm:   

And now begins the only sport I really dig. If it is an interesting world series I might watch, or college hoops during March madness and an occasional boxing match I watch, but the only sport I relegiously follow is College Football. Look to the game Sept. 9 between Texas and Ohio State as I predict the winner will play for all the marbles come bowl time.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:11 pm:   

That will be a good game, for sure. However, if Ohio State wins, they will still have to deal with Penn State later. PSU plays Notre Dame on Sept 9th, then Michigan and Ohio State in their Big 10 schedule. I only wish they played Texas this year to give us an accurate picture of the bowl attendees!
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 1:53 pm:   

College and High School football is my favorite sport too. I note Notre Dame had a tough time with GA Tech, while Texas thumped their opponent. Ohio State and Penn State had easy going with their warm up openers. Interesting that Anthony Morelli hit for a TD on his first pass of the season. The Penn State Notre Dame game next weekend should reveal alot. I think it is in Beaver Stadium.---Dave the Greek.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 6:02 pm:   

Sorry to monopolize your thread, Mike. The Penn State-Notre Dame game is in South Bend. It should give us a lot of insight. Penn State plays Ohio State 2 weeks later. The end of September should give us a better view on the bowl picture!
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 9:02 pm:   

Wow, Penn State sure has a killer schedule with ND and Ohio State on the list for September. Even though I have never been to the state I have been a Nittany Lion fan for years, cheifly because of Saint Joseph Paterno, the greatest college football coach in history, bar none. I am including people like Knute Rockney, Alonso Stagg, Bear Bryant and Bud WIlkinson in that list, but in my book Joe tops them all. When you combine longevity, his record, his championships, his integrity and just his overall class nobody can touch him. Just think, almost 40 years and never a hint of scandal. Never a fit of temper. Never blaming his players or the officials for a loss. Always playing by the rules. Always graduating more of his players than just about anybody. And, with only a few exceptions, winning, winning and then winning.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 5:01 pm:   

Mike, I agree with your assessment of Paterno. He is the reigning King right now. I put him up there with Darrel Royal, and Bear Bryant.---Do you like to predict upsets?---I look for either Cal or Stanford, or both, to beat USC this year.

Notre Dame has a coach from my hometown, and he is excellent. I watched him play in college from 59 to 62. Billy Lewis.

http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lewis_bill 00.html
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Johno
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Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 8:55 pm:   

Here are some of the college football coach greats and their records with the schools they were most associated with in their coaching careers: * denote active

Walter Camp - Yale - (67-2-2)
Knute Rockne - Notre Dame - (105-12-5)
Frank Leahy - Notre Dame - (87-11-9)
Ara Parsegian - Notre Dame - (95-17-4)
Pete Carroll - USC - (54-10) *
Tom Osbourne - Nebraska - (255-49-3)
Paul Bryant - Alabama - (232-46-9)
Jake Gaither - Florida A&M - (203-36-4)
Bobby Bowden - Florida State - (278-70-4) *
Frosty Westerling - Pacific Luteran - (261-70-5)
Bob Neyland - Tennessee - (173-31-12)
Fielding Yost - Michigan - (165-29-10)
Barry Switzer - Oklahoma - (157-29-4)
Bob Reade - Augustana IL. - (146-23-1)
John Gagliardi - Saint Johns MN. - (408-112-10) *
Joe Paterno - Penn State - (355-117-3) *
Bo Schembechler - Michigan - (194-48-4)
Jim Butterfield - Ithaca - (206-71-1)
Darrell Royal - Texas - (167-47-5)
Red Blaik - Army - (121-32-10)
Doyt Perry - Bowling Green - (77-11-5)
Bud Wilkerson - Oklahoma - (145-29-4)
Woody Hayes - Ohio State - (205-61-10)
Johnny Vaught - Mississippi - (190-61-12)
Tubby Raymond - Deleware - (300-119-3)
Dave Maurer - Wittenberg OH. - (129-23-3)
Bill Roper - Princeton - (96-28-17)
Vince Dooley - Georgia - (201-77-10)
Gil Steinke - Texas A&M - (182-61-4)
Don James - Washington - (153-57-2)
Eddie Robinson - Grambling - (408-165-15)
Amos Alonzo Stagg - Chicago - (244-111-17)
Shug Jordan - Auburn - (176-83-6)
Frank Kush - Arizona State - (176-54-1)
Jim Sochor - Cal-Davis - (156-41-5)
Ed Sherman - Muskegum OH. - (141-43-7)
Lee Tressel - Baldwin-Wallace OH. - (155-52-6)
Terry Donohue - UCLA - (151-74-8)
Pie Vann - Southern Mississippi - (139-59-2)
Frank Howard - Clemson - (165-118-12)
John McKay - USC - (127-40-8)
Frank Broyles - Arkansas - (144-58-5)
Charlie McClendon - LSU - (137-59-7)
Pop Warner - Carlisle PA. - (108-41-8)
Rip Engle - Penn State - (104-48-4)
Harry Baujan - Dayton - (124-64-8)
Red Sanders - UCLA - (66-19-1)
Frank Murray - Marquette - (104-55-6)
Jack Mollenkopf - Purdue - (84-39-9)
George Munger - Penn - (82-42-10)
Duffy Daugherty - Michigan State - (109-69-5)
Joe Aillet - Lousiana Tech - (152-85-8)
Wally Butts - Georgia - (140-86-9)
Bob Zuppke - Illinois - (131-81-13)
Ed Yeoman - Houston - (160-108-8)
Dutch Meyer - Texas Christian - (109-79-13)
Scrappy Moore - Chattanooga - (170-147-14)

Feel free to add more coaches to the list.
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Jim_t
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Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:06 pm:   

Wow great list Johno. Some of the names are familar and some of the colleges arent football powers anymore. The college I went to is among your list and it was NIAI div III. Nowdays I think coaches have to be great recruiters like Bobby Bowden or have a program that is going to showcase them for their eventual NFL career.
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:12 pm:   

What a great list and a great bit of work putting it together, I am in your debt! It is interesting to see 'great coaches' ahead of my time, were or achieved greatness in my memory and newer coaches heading into greatness. Reassuring to see the thread of great coaches has run steady through the history of the game. And the list makes you realize things you didn;t know you knew. Like I recall UCLA being especially good under Terry Donohue but looking at the record they were better than I realized.
As for upsets, I would not desagree on Cal surprising the Trojans. All last season I had the impression that Cal was just a couple of plays each game to change it the other way. Not that they made mistakes, but they tried the best and it was Just barely shy of what they needed. Had they achieved just that little extra they could have been in the bcs top 4-6. And I suspect that last week will come to be the time Tennessee was found to be much better than expected, not that Cal was lousy. Just like here in OK lsast season when TCU beat OU at home in the opener. OU fans said, if we can't beat TCU at home we aren't '. By the end of the season TCU was 10-1 and everyone recognized OU lost becasue TCU was good. I think the same happened between Cal and Tennessee. Cal is good, but Tennessee is much better than expected.
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 12:50 am:   

Also, remember that most of these coaches were head coaches at more than one college. Some as many as six. Most had winning records with multiple schools. I'm just listing their records with the schools they were most associated with.

Here's a few more of the college football coach greats:

Andy Smith - Cal - (44-0-2)
Steve Spurrier - Florida = (122-27-1)
Dick Farley - Williams MA. - (114-19-3)
Skip McCain - Maryland State - (105-18-7)
Jim Fusco - Westminster PA. - (154-34-3)
Henry Williams - Minnesota - (136-33-11)
Billy Nicks - Prarie View A&M - (127=39-8)
Lavell Edwards - BYU - (258-101-3)
Don McGugin - Vanderbilt - (201-57-19)
Wallace Wade - Duke - (110-36-7)
Fritz Martinelli - Ashland OH. - (217-119-12)
Skip Madigan - St. Marys IA. - (117-45-12)
Bennie Owen - Oklahoma - (122-54-16)
Dan Devine - Missouri - (92-38-7)
Ben Schwartz - Syracuse - (153-91-3)
Bernie Moore - LSU - (83-39-6)
John White - Ohio State - (78-33-9)
Ray Graves - Florida - (70-31-4)
Lloyd Jordan - Amherst - (76-37-4)
Bowden Wyatt - Tennessee - (99-56-5)
Babe Hollingbery - Washington State - (93-53-14)
Bill Murray - Duke - (93-51-9)
David Nelson - Delaware - (84-42-2)
Homer Norton - Texas A&M - (82-53-9)
Don Nehlen - West Virginia - (149-93-4)
Ernie Godfry - Wittenberg OH. (63-24-8)
Carmen Cozza - Yale - (179-119-5)
Hayden Fry - Iowa - (143-89-6)
Morley Jenkins - Baylor - (83-60-6)
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 5:40 am:   

Lou Holtz has 243 victories at a host of schools.

Pop Warner and Rip Engle coached HS in my area here, early on, Carlisle and Waynesboro.

My HS had a starting fullback on the 1959 National Champions, Syracuse, under Ben Schwartzwalder.
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Jim_t
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 1:39 pm:   

One thing I miss was the "Bottom Ten List" of the wrost college teams. It was humours to see the Pentagon (Army, Navy, Air Force) or Nothwestern and what ever else team was terrible that year with their next predicited loss. By the way Northwestern was a doormat for yers with Ohio State and the Michigan teams rolling up scores, like 50 or 60 to 0 every week. Ten years ago Nortwestern was ranked near the bottom by a preseason Sports Illustrated poll but broke into top 25 for the first time during midseason and later ended up in the top ten with a great bowl berth under coacy Gary Barnett. Recently some teams that have had great seasons are Utah State and Boise State. The Oregon teams had had a hard time adjusting to Boise's purple-blue field and their wide open offense. Montana State div AA had a huge upset last week over a 1A team and last year UC Davis a AA beat Stanford not only in football but basketball too!
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Jim_t
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 1:49 pm:   

Mouse Davis was a great coach at Portland State and devised a wide open offense with passing as its key. It was so good it was adopted in the NFL and was used to great success by the Houston Oilers. Also the Coach who invented the Wishbone offense that Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Nebraska used to win National championships. And the Veer offense that I think was developed at the University of Houston. Some colleges have the distinction of developing the "Rubber Band Defence" or the 1,2,3 kick offense.
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 2:57 pm:   

I've got Lou Holtz at (247-130-6)
- William & Mary - (13-19-0)
- NC State - (31-11-2)
- Arkansas - (60-21-2)
- Minnesota - (10-12-0)
- Notre Dame - (100-30-2)
- South Carolina - (33-37-0)

Mouse Davis - Portland State - (42-24-0)

Minnesota in the early years od college football had an interesting run in the decade of the 1890's. Over 10 seasons they went 51-17-1 with just one losing season under nine different head coaches. 1892 was an undefeated season as they went 5-0 with no coach.
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Jim_t
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 4:49 pm:   

Mike Price developed a great program at Washington State and had a team play in the Rose Bowl for the first time since the 30's. He left to coach Alabama and got fired over a sex scandal before coaching a game.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 6:50 pm:   

Thanks for the Lou Holtz stats. He was a lineman at Kent State, and admired Woody Hayes.

There are a few coaches in the Pennsylvania Conference with over 200 victories. Denny Douds at East Stroudsburg is still active, while Gene Carpenter at Millersville, and Frank Cignetti at Indiana have retired.--Rocky Rees at Shippensburg is still active, and I think approaching career win stats with the best. BTW--don't you love those names?

Johno, can you give us a more detailed list of these coaches?
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 7:12 pm:   

The only head college football coach to go on to be elected president of the United States was the nation's 28th president Woodrow Wilson.
In 1888 his Wesleyan University team at Middletown, Conn played the toughest ranked schedule in the nation and went 2-7 and his 1889 team played the second toughest ranked schedule in the nation and went 5-7-1.

1888

#2 Yale - L - 0-76
#14 Amhersert - W - 54-0
#2 Yale - L - 0-46
#3 Harvard - L - 0-34
#1 Princeton - L - 0-44
#3 Harvard - L - 2-50
#2 Yale - L - 0-105
Worcester Tech - W - 24-4
#5 Pennsylvania - L - 6-18

1889

#2 Yale - L - 0-38
#10 Trinity College- L - 2-4
#2 Yale - L - 5-63
#14 Amherst - W - 30-0
#19 Rutgers - W - 58-4
#3 Harvard - L - 0-64
#12 Williams - W - 20-17
#1 Princeton - L - 0-98
#3 Harvard - L - 2-67
#10 Trinity - W - 6-0
#2 Yale - L - 0-52
#6 Lehigh - T - 11-11
#8 Pennsylvania - W - 10-2

Useless trivia but interesting.
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 7:28 pm:   

Dennis Douds - East Stoudsburg PA. - (199-131-3)
Denny has to wait for his 200th win after losing last week to Bentley and Peter Yetten - (137-46-1)

Frank Cignette - Indiana PA. - (182-50-1)
career (199-76-1)

Gene Carpenter - Millersville - (212-89-6)
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Jim_t
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Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 7:52 pm:   

Vallejo Dave can you tell us anything about Slippery Rock. ABC college scoreboard would always give their scores in the 70's. Is Slippery near Rolling Rock brewery?
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 5:51 am:   

Hi Jim--Slippery Rock and Rolling Rock are both in the same general Western PA area, but there is no connection. Rolling Rock is in the town of Latrobe, while there is an actual town called Slippery Rock. Check out this link, and the names of the schools in the conference:

http://www.psacsports.org/

Imagine sitting in, say Stanford Stadium, and the announcer gives the scores:
Slippery Rock--17 California--6

Kutztown-------42 Indiana-----13

They were, and still are the butt of many jokes.
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Johno
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Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 4:07 pm:   

Pretty impressive win for #4 Notre Dame today over #19 Penn State.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 5:32 pm:   

Penn State got whumpped. I guess they won't be #1. It looked like Jopa got out coached.

On a lighter note, Denny Douds won his 200th today for ESU, Shippensburg(my alma mater) won with Rocky Rees, and the old standby-Slippery Rock-beat Millersville.(eat your heart out Deoxys).
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Jim_t
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Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 7:32 pm:   

Akron almost upset Florida Sate, a huge upset. Cal rebounded agaisnt Minesota. I remember reading a story in Sport magazine in the 60's or 70's abut a school called Central that upset the powers of their day even thought it was a small college and had only 17 players!
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Warren
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Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 9:00 am:   

At UT games in Austin, the stadium announcer always gave the Slippery Rock scores during the game.

And thanks OSU for walloping tu; their fans have been insufferable for a year.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 9:55 am:   

Penn State gets to play the #1 team in 2 weeks at Ohio Stadium. It should be interesting to see the changes in game plans, but I'm sure this schedule was all planned out for financial reasons, gate receipts and TV rights for contributions to the schools' athletic programs.

http://www.gopsusports.com/Football/home.cfm
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Johno
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Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 6:25 pm:   

The starting punter for the University of Northern Colorado was stabbed in the leg in Evans, Colorado Monday night.
As he was walking through a parking lot an assailant wearing a hood came up behind him and stabbed him in his kicking leg and fled in a black dodge Charger.

10 minutes later a liquior store clerk called the police to report suspicious activity in his store's parking lot. He saw a black Dodge Charger pull into his lot and two men jumped out and peeled tape off of the license plate then got back in the car and sped off. He copied the license number.
The police figured this was the same vehicle used in the attack and did a trace on the license number.

It turned out it belonged to the UNC football team's second string punter who lost out the starting spot to the guy who was stabbed.
He was arrested and has since been kicked off the team, evicted from his school residence and suspended from the university.
The punter who was stabbed will miss this weekend's game against Texas State University at least and may miss the rest of the season.
The third string punter is now the starter.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 8:19 pm:   

Johno, what can I say? Ah, football.

Sounds like these guys should be playing for Miami!!!
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Warren
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Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:44 am:   

The guy's personalized license plate was 8-KKR from what I've been told; his jersey number was 8.
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Warren
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Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:46 am:   

And if his victim dies, I wonder what the perp's hang time will be.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 8:48 pm:   

I look for Tennessee to upset Auburn, and Michigan to give Notre Dame a run for the money.

Does anyone really care about the baseball wild card? Remember when the emphasis used to be on the winners, and not the teams that came in show?
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 9:23 pm:   

Great winning tradition in Michigan football was never greater than under coach Fielding Yost whose teams in 23 seasons with the Woverines went 151-28-10 and outscored their oppnents 5,445-759.
In his first five seasons alone his "point a minute" teams outscored their opponents an incredible 2,821-42 and went 55-1-1.
The undefeated Wolverines at 55-0-1 under Yost were 12-0 and unscored upon at 495-0 in the 1905 season when they played for the national championship against Amos Alonzo Stagg's University of Chicago Maroon who were 9-0 and had outscored their opponents 241-5.
Chicago totally and amazingly shut down the point a minute Michigan offense but Michigan also impressively shut down Chicago's explosive offense.
In the fourth quarter during a scoreless 0-0 game Chicago tackled Michigan's punter in his endzone for a safety and Chicago went on to win the national championship and an undefated 10-0 season with a 2-0 win over Michigan.
It was Michigan's first loss going back to the 1900 season when they lost to - Chicago.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 6:49 am:   

Slippery Rock is at home today against Mansfield.

Michigan has a great football tradition. I also have long been a fan of the Mid-America Conference.Some of the best football games and future pros come from schools like Toledo, W,E, and C Michigan, Bowling Green, Kent State, Miami of Ohio and others. Toledo knocked off Kansas yesterday. A few years ago they beat Penn State at Beaver Stadium.

I look for Tennessee to upset Fla today also.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 9:57 am:   

Check out Miami of Ohio's Hall of Fame:

http://muredhawks.cstv.com/trads/hall-of-fame-alph a.html

Ara Parseghian, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Red Blaik, Paul Deitzel, Paul Brown, Weeb Eubanks, Carmen Cozza and on and on. I think Big Ben is a grad too!
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Warren
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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 10:11 am:   

Miami of Ohio is a wonderful oxymoron...
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Johno
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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 5:05 pm:   

Dave, I'm a MAC fan too because I graduated from Western Michigan University in 1976. The WMU Bronco's beat Virginia 17-10 today.
Hugely impressive win for #11 Michigan over #2 Notre Dame 47-21 today.
Michigan State beats Pitt soundly today 38-23 and are undefeated.
Impressive win today by #12 Louisville over #17 Miami 31-7.
#18 Oregon looked real good in their thriller with #15 Oklahoma as they get the upset 34-33.
#3 Auburn barely holds on to beat #6 LSU 7-3 but they'll probably climb to #2 with Notre Dames loss. Michigan should move up at least three notches to #8.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 5:48 am:   

Warren--Good one. That's almost as good as Paris, Texas. Miami is named after the Miami River Valley.

Johno--I lived in Toledo in 63 and got interested in Rocket football and the MAC.
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Warren
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Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 7:51 am:   

Dave, the best Texas one is "Humble, Texas". It's a small town north of Houston.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 9:57 am:   

I still like Blue Ball and Intercourse PA.

Here's a Slippery Rock link. My alma mater, Shippensburg, gets to play them in Oct or Nov.

http://rockathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/sroc -m-footbl-body.html

Tennessee almost pulled it off!
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 12:52 am:   

Top 10:
1-Ohio State
2-Auburn
3-USC
4-West Virginia
5-Florida
6-Michigan
7-Texas
8-Louisville
9-Georgia
10-LSU
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Warren
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Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 7:39 am:   

Wow, what's th'Rocks stadium hold, 80-90 thousand?
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 5:04 pm:   

Most of the PSAC stadiums were designed for 10-15,000 attendees.--Ship was losing, so I took off with my camera. Back then, I was doing a montage of the Girls of the Pennsylvania Conference. I have pics of the football players too.
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:31 pm:   

Small college football can be great! Before I graduated to a (then Big-8) Big-12 I went to a Jr. College known as a traditional JUCO football plwerhouse, Northeastern Oklahoma A&M in Miami, OK. (Thats pronounced My AM uh by the way). They have won several JUCO national championships over the decades, unfortunately none when I was attending. Some say you can't get the excitement of a real game but I recall on rainy November night, The Golden Norsemen vs. the Air Force jr. varsity. A defensive struggle in the mud. Score was 14-7 with the home team with the margin, but the flyboys had the ball with just about 2 minutes to go in the final quarter. It was a cold rain, but NOBODY left the stands early.
By the way, NEO's defense held and Air Force failed to convert at about the NEO 38, so the local boys took over with about 30 seconds to down the ball and win. Now tell me that's not better than lots of Division I games you see.
Sadly, the Golden Norsemen have fallen from greatness and are 0-2 this season. But I recall, there was a time. . .
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Warren
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Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 7:31 am:   

There's a Miami, Oklahoma? Any wayward Cubans living there?
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Johno
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Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 3:17 pm:   

College Football Hall of Fame coach Frank Waters died of heart failure yesterday at the age of 83.
In each of his 12 seasons at Hillsdale College in Michigan his teams were nationally ranked and from 1953-1957 they won 34 games in a row.
He left Hillsdale with a 138-47-5 record and went to Saginaw Valley State. He had a losing record in his five seasons there at 24-26-2 but he built the football program from scratch.
He was given a chance in Division 1 and spent three seasons at Michigan State and went 10-23 and ended his coaching career with a 172-96-7 record.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 4:47 pm:   

Penn State--Ohio State at the Horseshoe. What a great chance for Paterno to knock off the #1 team in the country, and get an inside track to the Big Ten title!--Adam Taliaferro will be there--he got paralized on a hit from an Ohio State defensive guy a couple years ago. I hope Joe pulls it off.
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Ratman
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Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 3:22 pm:   

Looks like you guys had a great view.lol
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 5:21 pm:   

Jimmy Terwilliger set another record(career TD's) in ESU's upset of California.

http://www3.esu.edu/athletics/football/06/cal.asp

I have many more Cheerleader pics, if you people are clamoring to see them.--I don't want to clog up the board.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 5:22 pm:   

How about Penn State leading Ohio State at the half 3 to 0, and trailing only by 10 to 3 with four minutes left.

I admire St. Joseph Paterno for giving these young guys a chance. They will only get better!

Joe will soon be 80, and had a case of the "Tennessee Trots" during the game.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 1:18 pm:   

Toledo at Pittsburgh should be a good one Saturday. The Rockets beat them 3 years ago in Toledo. Pitt is looking for revenge.
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Jim_t
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Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 7:16 pm:   

One of the stranger bizzare college football stories was about J R Redmonds an ASU running back, kick returner with pro potential, who was tricked into beleiving he had married a woman and then was blackmailed into seeking an agent and then quit his team 3/4 into the season. Somehow he was drugged on an airplane flight and that's the last the story makes any sense. By the way what happened to Bob Marley's son that played linebacker for Miami of Florida ten years ago?
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 7:06 am:   

That is bizzare-never heard that. I'm aware of Ziggy Marley. Is that the same guy?

Look what ESU did Saturday:

http://www3.esu.edu/athletics/football/06/mansfiel d.asp
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Jim_t
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Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 8:34 am:   

Last week on ESPN they had a high school footballl game between Oaks Christian (CA) and the Venice (CA) Gondoliers (Gondos). Oaks rated #8 nationaly had the two top prep prospects at quarterback and running back. One will be attending USC and the other Notre Dame. Not bad for a school that isn't ten years old!
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Johno
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Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 11:47 pm:   

Rohan Marley was a linebacker at Miami in the mid 90's. He went on to play for Ottawa on the Canadian Football Leauge. He's married to singer Lauryn Hill and they have four kids together. He has his own line of clothing called Tuff Gong. He's not a musician like his famous father Bob Marley but he is doing some record producing.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 8:42 am:   

Big game today--Oregon at Cal. It may be Cal's litmus test for the Pac 10 quest.

Slippery Rock plays Shippensburg at 8 pm EST.

How about Bowling Green vs Ohio State? I'd love to see the MAC pull an upset.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 12:36 pm:   

A Toledo football player died at practice. My thoughts are with the family and school. The same thing happened at Shippensburg this year. A Freshman linebacker died on the first day of practice. They were running a series of 16-120yd sprints.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 10:06 am:   

Michigan at Penn State-The pressure for this game has been building all week. I look for the PS Defense to key a shocking upset. Michigan QB Henne turned down a scholarship to PS.

Cal hopefully will continue towards it's showdown with USC later.
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 2:35 pm:   

Dave, if you think Penn State is going to upset Michigan you must be sniffing book binding glue.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 5:51 pm:   

Ha-Ha-Ha, sorry Johno, I don't sniff or huff. The people around here are treating this like a bowl game, planning their days off and vacations around it. They are circling their RV's and trailers around Beaver Stadium. What can I say? I myself think Michigan needs a bloody nose after that cheap win last year.
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Johno
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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 6:39 pm:   

Michigan will destroy Penn State. Joe Paterno will be popping Imodium AD pills like candy from his port-o-potty next to the Nittany Lion bench.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 10:27 am:   

Slippery Rock plays California today.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 4:55 pm:   

California 24--Slippery Rock 14:

http://www.psacsports.org/men/schedule_football06. html
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Johno
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 11:27 pm:   

Penn State made it a close game with Michigan with Michigan only winning by a touchdown. I thought that fairly slim win would hurt Michigan's chances of climbing in the polls but they have climbed higher than I would have imagined.

BCS Poll
1-Ohio State
2-USC
3-Michigan
4-Auburn
5-West Virginia
6-Florida
7-Louisville
8-Notre Dame
9-Texas
10-California

AP Poll
1-Ohio State
2-Michigan
3-USC
4-West Virginia
5-Texas
6-Louisville
7-Tennessee
8-Auburn
9-Florida
10-Notre Dame

USA Poll
1-Ohio State
2-USC
3-Michigan
4-West Virginia
5-Texas
6-Louisville
7-Auburn
8-Notre Dame
9-Tennessee
10-Florida
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 11:33 am:   

Too bad about USC. It couldn't have happened to a better team.----Go Cal Golden Bears!

BTW, California beat Ship, and Indiana beat Ship last weekend.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 7:52 am:   

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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 7:41 pm:   

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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 7:51 pm:   

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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2006 - 1:32 pm:   

Isn't anyone else psyched about Cal meeting USC in the LA Coliseum on Nov. 18th?--I am.--USC is in 2nd place in the PAC-10.
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James78
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Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2006 - 2:21 pm:   

Only interested in michigan vs. Ohio state! Also my Badgers.
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James78
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Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2006 - 2:28 pm:   

Another great coach not mentioned is Barry Alvarez. He has multiple Rose bowl Titles and his team competed greatly every year but always goes unnoticed by many.
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Johno
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Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2006 - 10:39 pm:   

Alvarez will make the college football hall of fame.
His 16 year record at Wisconsin was 118-73-4 with an 8-3 bowl record including three Rose Bowl wins.
He'd probably be more well-known as a coach and would have likely been a 200 win coach if he had coached somewhere else before Wisconsin but that was his only head coaching position. He went from high school coach in Nebraska and Iowa to assistant coach at Iowa and then assistant coach at Notre Dame before being named head coach at Wisconsin in 1990 where he got off to a rocky 1-10 start.
I'm suprised Vallejo Dave hasn't mentioned Alvarez since he's from Pennsylvania.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 6:01 pm:   

I didn't know Alvarez was from PA. Is he a native? We don't hear much around here, except for Paterno. Joe got his leg broken by a freshman tight end! Joe will be 80 soon. I hope he recovers.

Wisconsin is really out of my sphere of influence, lol, even tho I lived in Toledo at one time, and that is as close as I got to Wisconsin.
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 6:24 pm:   

Alvarez was from Langeloth, Pa and graduated from Union High in 1965. He then booked out of the area and headed to Nebraska to play football. As a senior a Union in Langeloth he played in the all-Pennsylvania Big 33 football Classic.
He's still only 59 and won't be 60 until next month. Fairly young to retire from coaching. At least in Paterno's world.
And Alvarez was never tackled by one of his own players.
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 6:30 pm:   

Joe's pretty old for a broken leg. Do you think they'll have to put him down?
They shoot horses don't they?
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 7:21 pm:   

Langeloth, PA?--That's a new one for me. Can you give me co-ordinates? Do you expect Alvarez to retire?----Joe will go down when he wants to. He's making too much money to get out of the game right now, and has too many future All-Americans to get out of the game today. He wants to watch them mature.
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 7:27 pm:   

Langeloth is in coal mine country about 20 miles south of Pittsburg.
Alvarez retired at the end of last season. He turned down other coaching offers from Division 1 to the NFL to continue coaching but he took the Wisconsin Athletic Directors job instead and stayed in Madison.
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 10:35 pm:   

I think Alvarez right in staying in Madison. Except for how cold it gets in the winter Madison is a great town.
I hope Cal beats USC, and I think it a possibility. But that date does conincide with the Big 10 match up, which is likely to be THE GAME of the season, maybe bigger than the bowl games. Imagine Ohio State playing in TWO games in a regular season that pits No.1 and No.2!
And no matter what anyone says, if Louisville is still the only other undefeated team at the end of the season they deserve to play in the championship!
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 11:49 pm:   

Louisville currently at #3 in the BCS and if still undefeated would certainly deserve it. but that's the problem, some good deserving team is always getting left out. Somebody will always be left out and right now there are 10 one loss teams who will feel they should be in it. Florida, Texas, Auburn, USC, California, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Arkansas, Wisconsin and wake Forest. At least half of those will still be one loss teams at the end of the season.
And Rutgers and Boise State are undefeated and are currently #13 and # 14. If they stay undefeated with several of the top 10 teams seeing a second loss on the season they will both move into the top 10 and rightfully feel they should have a shot at it.
What if Rugers beats #3 Louisville and #10 West Virgina still on their schedule. They would have a very strong case for playing in the national championship.
There should be a simple playoff system. Whoever is ranked 1-4 at the end of season are the automatic Final Four. #1 plays #4 and #2 plays #3 with the winners of those two games playing for the National Championship. Always use two of the four oldest and historic bowls, the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Cotton for the playoff games and rotate among the four every year. Let the Fiesta Bowl have the championship game as is.
Somebody is still going to feel left out and feel they deserve to be in the playoffs but so what. If your not ranked in the top four at the seasons end you are out of luck.
Then for the other bowls being played make them more interesting by having #5-#6, #7-#8, #9-#10 matchups etc.
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Warren
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 7:27 am:   

Hell, Baylor could beat Rutgers.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 3:51 pm:   

Hell, Southwest Texas State, or Prairie View A&M could beat Rutgers.
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 7:49 pm:   

Johno, that is as good a plan for a playoff I have heard. Sure #5 would gripe but I agree, if you can't get ranked higher than 5 you are NOT the best team in the country.
Hey, if Rutgers beats both Louisville and WV I would say they earned a run at the championship. But I doubt that is likely to happen. It is nice to see some new names ranked though, even a die hard football fan like me gets tired of the perinneal teams ranked in the top ten year after year.
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Warren
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 7:45 am:   

I see the program at Miami is turning around...
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 7:22 am:   

WOW---Cal at USC for the Rose Bowl--

Ohio State vs Michigan----and Rutgers is still unbeaten!--Terps 14--Miami 13.

Desean Jackson may be the difference for Cal.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 9:32 am:   

Did anyone notice that Andre Waters shot himself in Georgia? He was a PSAC player for Cheney State.--Wonder what pushed him over the edge.
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Johno
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Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 9:28 pm:   

Every player in the PSAC could shoot themselves and no one would notice.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 6:17 am:   

I would notice.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 5:41 pm:   

There was another Andre, Andre Reid, wide receiver for Buffalo, and played at Kutztown. We have John Kuhn playing on special teams for the Steelers, from Shippensburg.

Back to the big time---I sure hope Notre Dame kicks ass against U$C on Saturday.
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Johno
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 12:22 am:   

BCS - #6 Arkansas has lost to LSU so with two loses they are out of any consideration for a shot in the national championship game. LSU has two loses so they aren't in it.
Ohio State is #1 and they are in.
Michigan is #2 and are barely in.
USC at #3 with a win over #5 Notre Dame would probably pass Michigan for the #2 spot but maybe only temporarily since they still have to play UCLA.
#4 Florida with a win over Florida State has an outside chance of being #2 if Notre Dame beats USC.
USC with a loss to either Notre Dame or UCLA is out.
#5 Notre Dame has a legitmate argument to be #2 if they beat USC but that falls apart when you consider they were detroyed by Michigan at home earlier this year.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 2:38 am:   

Andre Reed:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Reed An00.htm
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 7:31 pm:   

Cal is co-champion of the Pac 10. You gotta love those Golden Bears!
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Johno
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Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:56 pm:   

Ohio State-Michigan for the national championship.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 10:46 am:   

That would be a boring rematch Johno. How about Ohio State vs Boise State, or Ohio State vs Louisville? I'm sure it won't turn out that way, but Fla and Michigan are blah, blah.

Better yet, how about Cal vs Ohio State, but Cal is already committed to the Holiday Bowl vs Texas A&M.
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James78
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Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 6:32 pm:   

The BCS has got to go! MICHIGAN VS.OHIO STATE would of been for the better. I dont see how Wake deserves a BCS bowl?? The thing that gets me is only 2 teams per conference get a bcs bowl. Its should be the top 8, but its a bad bcs situation,it dont work right. WI ranked #7 gets capiotol 1 while wake, #14 gets in. Its Bull!
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Johno
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Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 10:49 pm:   

Dave, the last time Michigan and Ohio State played they put up a combined 81 points and the game was decided by 3. I don't see how that can possibly be boring.

35 years ago there were 11 bowl games and now there are 32. 64 football teams go to bowl games. That's way too much.

Go back to 22 teams and the top 4 in the final BCS poll play for the national championship.
This year it would be top seed-4th seed #1 Ohio State vs. #4 LSU and 2nd seed-3rd seed #2 Florida vs. #3 Michigan with the two winners playing for the championship. There's 3 bowl games.
Then match up the remaining top 18 teams in close ranking bowl game matchups for 9 addional bowl games.
#5 USC vs. #6 Loisville.
#7 Wisconsin vs. #8 Boise State
#9 Auburn vs. #10 Oklahoma
#11 Notre Dame vs. #12 Arkansas
#13 West Virgina vs. #14 Wake Forest
#15 Virginia Tech vs. #16 Rutgers
#17 Tennessee vs. #18 California
#19 Texas vs. #20 BYU
#21 Texas A&M vs. #22 Oregon State.

Forget the rest.
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Monday, December 04, 2006 - 11:39 pm:   

Johno, good idea beautifully explained! I agree that 64 teams going to bowl games is way too many, and I LOVE to watch college football. But enough already! Creating a playoff with the top 4 teams in a total of 3 games over 2 weekends is also good. There would occasionally be a #5 or #6 team that bitched they should also get a shot but unless the top half-dozen are all undefeated or all one loss teams being 5th best would normally exclude a team from serious considertion. For a while it looked this year like 5 or 6 teams might have some legitimate claim to the championship game but the way the ball bounced (literally!) ended up with one definite and 2 maybe contenders. I would give a very slight nod to Florida over Michigan because they played a longer schedule, they each have one loss but Fla has 12 wins to Mich 11 wins. Beating the #8 team after Michigan has been finished for a couple of weeks counts for just that extra nudge to me. Sure Florida played some pud teams but Michigan played Indiana and Ball State, so please!
No matter what, Ohio State is going to be hard to beat. They look as well balanced to me as any team in the past 4-5 years.
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James78
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Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 5:36 pm:   

Michigan is going to destroy usc in the rose bowl. I personally dont think a longer schedule should matter because what can michigan have done about that? I think the top 8 teams should always get the nod for bcs bowls because their the best 8 in the nation and to me thats what people want to see the best!
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Johno
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Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 5:56 pm:   

And after Michigan destroys USC and Ohio State completely dismantles Florida the BCS is really going to look stupid.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 6:18 pm:   

I think the Wolverines will destroy USC, lol. I hope the Buckeyes kick A too.

You will not eliminate all the bowls, and teams in bowls. The money for each school is too much for them to drop. The TV rights have something to do with it. I personally would like to see Ohio State play someone like Louisville or Boise State. I am not going to watch the bowls--can't stand the commercials!
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 4:24 pm:   

John Kuhn from Shippensburg makes it into the game for the Steelers. So far, he has 2 carries for 17 yards, and 1 reception for 15 yards:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/gameTrax?gameId=20061 217029

I sure hope Cal kicks Texas A&M's butt in the Holiday Bowl in San Diego.
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Warren
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Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 7:47 am:   

Careful, VDave, you don't want to upset us Aggies...
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Jim_t
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Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 9:11 pm:   

I hope Cal wins too. Last time they were in a bowl game they were beat pretty bad by another Texas team, Texas Tech. That was the year Cal should have gone to the Rose Bowl and they were bowled over by the Red Raiders.
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Steve
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Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 5:20 pm:   

45-10. I love it.
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Vallejo_dave
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Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 2:28 pm:   

Penn State-20 Tennessee-10 In retribution for Tenn's upset of Cal in the season opener!
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Oklahoma_mike
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Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 11:13 pm:   

What an unbeleivable Fiesta Bowl, with the lead changing so much in the last couple of minutes with miracle plays nobody would ever put in a movie because the audience would never believe it. Even though OU was beat I must admit Boise St. earned the victory. Plus, since my alma mater, Oklahoma State, beat the Crimson Tide in their bowl game, and it was a squeaker too (tied 31 all with 13 seconds left, OSU on the 'Bama 10 with 4th and goal) I am not too upset with todays bowl games. Looks like the BCS might have actually made the right move putting Florida up against Ohio State rather than Michigan after all!
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 11:48 pm:   

Boise State has got a bag a tricks for sure. Great game and great win for them.

Michigan was so flat it was pathetic.
Michigan last played a game on November 18. 41 days off before a bowl game is too long. USC played two more games since Michigan last played on November 25 and December 2 for a 29 day layoff.
Ohio State has also played their last game on November 18 and won't play again until January 8 for a layoff time of 48 days.
Florida, like USC, played two more games after the 18th on the 25th and December 2. So they will have had a 36 day layoff. A long layoff but not as long as Ohio State and the experience of two games since Ohio State last played. The Ohio State-Florida matchup might be closer than I originally thought.
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Breakout
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Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 6:24 am:   

Being a Tennessean, the rumble here in the VOL Land is Phil Fulmer needs to go...
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Tom_voigt
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Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 6:26 am:   

Let's continue this discussion here.

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