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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 3:37 pm:   

On September 5, 1982 12 year old Johnnt Gosch dissapered while delivering newspapers in Des Moins, Iowa.
This week two old photographs that show him bound and gagged along with two other children appeared on his mothers doorstep. He's wearing the same sweatpants he was last seen wearing on that day 24 years ago and investigators have confirmed the photo's are authentic. The identities of the two other children are unknown. They believe the photographs were taken within hours or days of the abduction.
The mother says she recieved a brief telephone call from her son in 1997 and believes he was kidnapped by child pornographers and forced into other crimes as he grew older and was trapped into a life of crime that kept him underground.
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Etphoto
Username: Etphoto

Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 5:06 am:   

Interesting. Any links to a news story Johno?

ET
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 7:18 am:   

They're saying he's wearing sweatpants, but the photo shows a kid wearing light-colored denims.
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Ratman
Username: Ratman

Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:10 pm:   

ET Photo-
johnnygosch.com was back up and running after I left chat last night.
Also google Johnny Gosch and you'll find many.
I really don't believe Gannon is actually Johnny though.
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Colette
Username: Colette

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 8:09 am:   

There are 2 pictures of the boy. In another one of him alone he has on dark pants and no shirt.
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Etphoto
Username: Etphoto

Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 4:43 pm:   

There is something goofy about this case. I watched the mother being interviewed on TV and apparently Johnny visited her years after he was kidnapped. He is grown now and can apparently come and go as he pleases (as he did when he visited his mom). She hasn't seen or heard from him after his visit though.

ET
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 5:19 pm:   

At the time of this 1997 visit from him to his mother Noreen Gosch she apparently didn't mention it to anyone until 1999.
No one but her saw him.
His mother and father were divorced in 1993 but the father still lived at the home that 12 year old Johnny dissapeared from in 1982 yet he didn't go to that house in 1997 and did not visit the father but instead found the apartment that the mother moved into in 1993.
He was now 27 years old and accompanied by a man who acted nervous and never said a word during the middle of the night visit. She said she kept her porch light on for 15 years and turned it off when he left that night in 1997. Of course the porch light was not the orginal porch light from the location where he was living at when he was abduced in 1982 which begs the question as to how can you leave a porch light on for someone who has never been to that residence to begin with?
When the photographs taken in 1982 recently showed up they showed up at her apartment door and not at the father's.
She didn't tell anyone of the photgraph drop until two days later.
If she had seen him in person in 1997 and knew he was still alive and heard his story of his abudction and what he had been doing for the 15 years from 1982-1997 what would be the purpose of sending the photos since she already knows he was still alive and that he was abducted as illustrated in the photos?
This whole story is goofy and hard to believe.
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Scott_ben
Username: Scott_ben

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 5:20 am:   

I agree with Johno, however I would like to add that obviously this women has suffered through unspeakable tragedy. Any oddity in her story should be excused as well as expected. I would chalk up her night visit from her son 15 years afterwords as wishful fantasy. Also, if you go over her website it is full of conspircy theories about her son's kidnapping. I believe she has been mislead over the years. She has her child being kidnapped to work in a child sex ring that reachs the highest levels in Washington DC and around the country. So take what you will from her stories. The photos also, I'm not to sure of. The one with the three boys looks posed to me.
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Etphoto
Username: Etphoto

Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 8:27 am:   

Supposedly Johno, he showed up at her door in the middle of the night after she appeared on TV asking for help in the case. I'm not sure but she could have given her address during her TV plea. The photos showed up after her PI talked with a confidential informant asking for them. The case seems fishy. Yes, he is gone, but the fact he is now an adult and doesn't come home after he made a midnight visit 9 years ago just . . . doesn't sit right.

ET
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 4:06 pm:   

So that would mean he was living in the De Moines area or immediate area the whole while if she appears on TV and he shows up at her apartment that night.
She can't even keep her story straight on these recent events. She sent the photos in an email to James Rothstein, a retired New York detective who's been working as an investigator for her. He sent the emailed photos to the Des Moines Register newspaper. In her email to Rothstein she titled it "I got these tonight" and sent the email on Saturday, August 26. She told the Des Moines Register that she found them when she woke up Sunday morning, August 27. She didn't take them to the FBI until Tuesday, August 29.
Before she took them to the FBI she sent copies of the photos via email to several people.
Des Moines, Iowa hardly seems like the hub of a child sex slave ring.
According to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children they list only, including Johnny Gosch, seven missing children under unkown circumstances in the entire state of Iowa between the years of 1975 to 2005. Four girls and three boys.
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Colette
Username: Colette

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:47 am:   

It is reported in the press that the photos are from the 1970 and were a hoax. In the past the police talked to the boys involved in the photos and they were taken voluntarily.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:55 am:   

I always want to stick a "B." in that boy's name.
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Deoxys
Username: Deoxys

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 2:04 pm:   

Here's some freaky Zynchronicity:

Johnny Gosch's mother, Noreen, claims that her son was kidnapped as part of a pedophilia ring used by the U.S government to compromise politicians, which used mind control techniques to create multiple personalities in it's "subjects". The claim is made that his kidnapping was ordered by Michael Aquino, a retired U.S. Army Lt. Colonel, who had been actively involved in experimental government mind-control operations during the Cold War and into the 1960s.

Michael Aquino apparently worked in the PsyOps program in the Presidio but was also a high-ranking member of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan in S.F. during the late 1960s and later a founding High Priest in the Temple of Set.

http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005/03/michael-aqui no-alleged-child-sex-abuse.html

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3233aquino_p rofile.html

The allegations are beyond belief but it is fascinating reading and Zynchronicitous (for me, at least) in its relation to the SF subculture during Z's activities and Z, of course, disappeared into the Presidio "never to be seen again".

Bizarre stuff...
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 4:12 pm:   

Interesting Deo. In 70 or 71 the 353rd flew from SFO to Ft. Bragg, NC for "Summer Camp". Aquino was probably on that trip.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 9:51 am:   

BTW, "Summer Camp" 69 was spent at Ft. Ord, and turned out to be a "gathering of the tribes" of all the West Coast PSYOPS units. I still have fond memories and yearbooks from the camp.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 2:20 pm:   

Vallejo dave wrote: "BTW, "Summer Camp" 69 was spent at Ft. Ord, and turned out to be a "gathering of the tribes" of all the West Coast PSYOPS units. I still have fond memories and yearbooks from the camp."

Wow, fascinating, Dave! Can you tell us more about it?
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 5:39 pm:   

I'll try Vscantu. We left the Presidio in chartered buses and pov's. Headed down 19th Ave, and had lunch at a greasy chicken place south of San Jose. We then settled in to Ord. The middle weekend, or the final weekend, there was a big parade, where all of the PSYOPS units from Washington, Oregon, California, and other states marched past the Brass with bands playing, flags waving, and eyes right. We had to spit shine our boots, and clean our rifles. I never saw so much brass in one place. I didn't know what was going on--I was a Spec 4 and only 23 yo. I worked on 201, or personnel files. I have 2 yearbooks that we produced as part of training at Ord and Bragg, with pics and quips about the unit and members. They are like underground comic books.

On my time off, I went to Pacific Grove, Monterey, Asilomar, Del Monte Inn area, and Carmel, with my wife. I will add more later.

We headed back to PSF, turned in our rifles, after cleaning them again, and I headed home to Vallejo thru the Marin tunnel and 101 n.

I might add that my other 2 camps while there were at Camp Roberts and the Presidio itself, which was memorable in that we stayed in the WW2 barracks by Crissy Field, and were allowed free reign in SF at night.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 9:46 pm:   

This Johnny Gosch story sounds like it's filled with a ton of BOGUS material. Reminds me of the preposterous, but SCARY 'satanic cult' myths that were believed during the Reagan 80's. Virtually none of which proved true. The most famous was the gigantic McMartin pre-school "child molest" case. Ruined tons of lives, and never any truth to the hundreds of charges & allegations.

Wow, Dave, pretty interesting story. I know we're getting off topic, but PSYOPS wasn't called "PSYOPS" back then in 1969, was it? If not, what WAS it called?

Also, I was expecting to hear that you all pulled bizarre, but hilarious 'psyops-like' practical jokes on each other at this summer camp.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 8:29 am:   

Our official name was 353rdPSYOPSBNCONSOL,PSF,CA. That camp, everyone was too busy cleaning rifles and having inspections, because of all the brass there. Not much fun on base.
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Deoxys
Username: Deoxys

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   

Vscantu,

You're probably right about the conspiratorial nature of this whole case. I don't exactly know why Noreen Gosch has concluded this connection. My guess is that she drew her conclusions because her son was kidnapped in 1982. Several years later and two years after the McMartin Preschool fiasco, Michael Aquino was implicated in the "Presidio Sex Scandal" in which a number of children at the Presidio base daycare were allegedly sexually abused.

If Mrs. Gosch is prone to conspiratorial thinking, an Army Lieutenant Colonel working in the PSYOPS program, who has founded his own Satanic church and been accused of child molestation a few years after her son disappeared would be a pretty attractive target, no?

Here's Michael Aquino's response to the Presidio allegations:

http://www.konformist.com/2001/aquino.htm
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Etphoto
Username: Etphoto

Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 8:08 am:   

"If Mrs. Gosch is prone to conspiratorial thinking,"

and I wouldn't doubt that she is. I just heard (a few weeks ago) that something like 40% believe our government had something to do with the 911 attack.

ET
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 2:33 pm:   

Right, ET. Now here's how to throw the "911 Conspriracy buffs" for a loop: It's probably THEM that did it! They are now secretly working for Al Qaida & trying to cover it up by stating our gov't. did it! LOL
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Sanfranguns
Username: Sanfranguns

Registered: 1-2007
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 7:00 pm:   

Does anyone thing these kids in Missouri are related to some sex ring like Maureen Gosch claims?
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 9:41 pm:   

The guy in Missouri kept the first kid for four years and four months before getting caught with him. It's unlikely he was farming him out to others for sex but police did find child pornography on the suspects computer so maybe he took pictures of the boy and shared them with some kind of an internet ring.

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