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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 2:12 pm:   

It's time we get around to giving the NFL a thread.
I'm a life long die hard Green Bay Packer fan.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 2:36 pm:   

It's gonna be a long death this year...
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Ubpclaw
Username: Ubpclaw

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 3:44 pm:   

If last season wasnt enough to push Brett Favre over the edge and make him retire this season sure as hell will be.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 4:14 pm:   

Geez, I simply stated my favorite football team and thought maybe others would mention their favorite teams.
I didn't mena for it to be a "let's bash the Green Bay Packers" thread.
By the way, the Packers lost eight of their twelve loses by less than four points a game and could have easily have been 12-4 instead of the other way around. And they had 11 starters out for most or all of the season.
Brett Favre at 399 TD's will pass Dan Marino at 420 this year to be the NFL's #1 career TD passer.
Brett Favre will also pass Dan Marino in Completions by the end of the year to be #1 in that category.
The Packers will go at least 8-8 this season and Favre will be tied with Dan Marino as #2 on the all time most wins by a quarterback and if they win nine he'll tie John Elway for #1.
Favre is currently on pace for 4,600 passing yards this season. That won't happen but he'll have 4,000.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 5:11 pm:   

I liked Bart Starr, Jim Taylor, Paul Horning, Fuzzy Thurston, Jerry Kramer, Travis Williams, Herb Adderly, Donny Anderson, Max McGee, Vince Lombardi, and others. The Pack has great history.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 6:20 pm:   

And, what was that center's name--Jim Ringo?

Pulling guards and the power sweep. Loved it.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 6:33 pm:   

The Packer wing of the NFL Hall of Fame:
- Herb Adderley
- Tony Canadeo
- Willie Davis
- Forret Gregg
- Arnie Herber
- Clarke Hinkel
- Paul Hornung
- Cal Hubbard
- Don Hutson
- Henry Jordan
- Curly Lambeau
- Vince Lombardi
- Blood McNally
- Mike Michalske
- Ray Nitschke
- Jim Ringo
- Bart Starr
- Jim Taylor
- Reggie White
- Willie Wood
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 5:02 pm:   

I used to love it when Dallas would have to come up to Green Bay and play in 20 degree temps with snow falling.---How could I have forgotten about Nitschke, perhaps the greatest middle linebacker of all time? He was a cut above Butkus and Jack Lambert.
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 6:30 am:   

The Packers...I Love the Packers! Their games have been sell outs forever and forever will be. You can get tickets thru other means. people like to knock Brett Favre and the Packers because they once were great and tortured teams and their fans for years. So its a way to get back at them, which is ok.
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Ratman
Username: Ratman

Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 3:30 pm:   

Same with the Niners my team.
They used to be terrible, then they couldn't beat Dallas in the playoffs, then the GREAT years with 5 Super Bowl rings, and now terrible again.
But they will be back !
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 10:00 am:   

Sorry Johno, have to get this off my chest:

Everybody goes into ectasy about the Ice Bowl game against Dallas, and how great Green Bay was in that game. Baloney - GB should have beat Dallas 80 - 0. They barely escaped in a game that should never had been played (-10), where Vince had the in field heaters purposely turned off, where GB was well acclimated to the cold against a team from the sub-tropics. And everybody raves about how great GB was in that game. Please.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 5:00 pm:   

Anybody know how often GB won in Dallas back in the day?

The Steelers are my team, along with the Redskins and Ravens. During my brief stint in CA, I became a Raiders fan, and still follow them. I went to their training camp up by Santa Rosa and met alot of them. Their names are like a Hall of Fame in itself.--Blanda, Biletnikoff, Lamonica, The Snake, The Mad Stork, Otto, Chester, Tatum, Davis, Guy, Alzado, Manny, and many more.

I followed the Niners too. I liked them in the Brodie era. Later on, their 2 best players were PA boys--Kwalick and Montana. (Blanda of the Raiders was from PA as well.)
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 11:22 pm:   

Warren, you need to get some Vicks Vapo rub for the chest problem because you possess little knowledge of the Ice Bowl.
Vince Lombardi didn't turn off the heaters. It was so cold the system failed.
The heaters were left on all night under the field and covered with tarp. A sea of moisture formed under the tarp on top of the grass and when the tarp was removed in the -13 temperature the surface exposed to the sub-zero air flash froze. The faulty system only kept the surface ice free if it was covered with tarp.
The Green Bay Packers had no say whatsoever in that game being played and the team felt it shouldn't have been played.
The decision to play it came from the National Football League. It was the National Football League Championship game with the winner to play the AFC champs in the Super Bowl.
Green Bay and Dallas had two great teams. Had they played at the North Pole or on the Equater it would have been a close game.
The Pack was 12-2 going into the game with 335 ponts scored and 163 points given up on the season. They had 8 Pro Bowlers.
The Cowboys were 10-3-1 but had a superior offense with 445 points scored and 239 given up on the season. They had 9 Pro Bowlers.
They had two common opponents that year, Cleveland and Minnesota.
Green Bay beat Cleveland 21-20 and Dallas split their two games with Cleveland 26-14 and 21-30.
Dallas beat Minnesota 28-17 and Green Bay split their two games with Minnesota 28-16 and 17-20.
No one by the way is acclimated to playing football in -13 temperatures even if you lived in Green Bay all your life and no one on the Packers was from the northwoods.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 5:10 pm:   

My favorite players on Dallas were "Too Tall" Jones, Randy White, Bob Hayes, and Don Meredith when he QB'd. I must say though, I am always rooting for the Redskins and Niners to beat Dallas, in any weather.
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 6:17 pm:   

Im from WI. I've experienced with the windchill near 30 below there. Nobody gets used to that. 13 below, you cant get used to that. With 30 below windchill, for the most part you dont go out accept to work and back. Other states get more snow and get colder then WI.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 5:59 pm:   

It gets cold where I'm from too. One day in the 80's it was minus 20 actual!--But I still think Bart Star, Jim Taylor and company were better than Dallas in those days.

How about T.O. today, or Hollywood Henderson in the past?---GB didn't have any girlie men like this.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 8:18 pm:   

Green Bay: A drinking town with a football problem. - (Popular bumper sticker in Wisconsin)
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Fredcasa
Username: Fredcasa

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 7:08 pm:   

Johno I was born and raised in Stevens Point Wi..the Pack trained there and one summer I was the towel/ball boy--I met them all--this was in 57/8--At one time I had all their autographs but they have been lost in time..After moving to Florida I eventually became a Dolphin fan, but still root for the Pack..wish I had a Point Special beer right now..
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 7:46 pm:   

I remember when they had a traveling basketball team that would play local teams for charity events. They cane to my hometown in about 1964 and I got all the autographs and there were a lot of future hall of famers on that team it wasn't just third string or practice squad players. They were all starters.
I lost that autographed program during some move.
I had a Point beer about as recently as a year ago here in California. A guy I know never travels without them. He had about four cases with him.
Wisconsin contraband.
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 1:04 pm:   

Packers, cowboys had a couple charity basketball games verses each other in the late 90's. I went to 2 of them and got autograph's. Cool!
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 1:46 pm:   

Johno, ya' know I have to get a dig in before the weekend. What was the name of the little puppet that sat on Vince Lombardi's lap? (hint... "PR")
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 2:57 pm:   

Warren, I know it wasn't Topo Giggio.

Interesting how things come full circle in life.
Vince Lombardi was a guard on Fordham's football team in the 1930's and was one of the famous "Seven Blocks of Granite." The coach of that team was Sleepy Jim Crowley who in the 1920's was one of the famous "Four Horsemen" of Notre Dames football team.
Crowley began his football career playing high school football in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 5:33 pm:   

Johno have you seen the Tv show "I've got a Secret" where the Green Bay linebacker, Ray Nitske stumps the panel after playing against the NY Giants? Also the backup quarterback Zeke Bronkoski, how many players had names that started with Z?
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 7:37 pm:   

One of the wrost franchises of the last 20 years is the Phoenix-Arizona Cardinals. Cheap ownership, revolving door coaches and poor attendence. 1rst round draft choices were told they needed to take a paycut before signing a contract. Every year they drafted a running back too? They werent able to match offers for free agents, thier best players couldnt wait to sign with other teams, and get more money. Rarely did any home games sell out, unless it was Dallas, SF or the Raiders. Things have changed since they hired Denny Green and finaly got a new stadium
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2006 - 9:59 pm:   

- Racine Cardinals - 6-5-4
(1 winning season out of 2)

- Chicago Cardinals - 115-255-19
(10 winning seasons out of 38 - 2 NFL Championships 1925 & 1947)

- St. Louis Cardinals - 186-202-13
(11 winning seasons out of 28)

- Phoenix Cardinals - 35-64
(no winning seasons out of 6)

- Arizona Cardinals - 62-124
(1 winning season out of 12)

- Franchise record 404-650-36
(23 winning seasons out of 86)
- Consecutive winning seasons - 1922-1923-1924-1925, 1946-1947-1948-1949, 1963-1964, 1974-1975-1976, 1983-1984.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 3:09 pm:   

Chicago Cardinals should read 156 wins.
Franchise wins should read 445 wins.
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Deoxys
Username: Deoxys

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 7:34 pm:   

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=2610080 21

:-)
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   

In 2002 the cardinals were in first place after losing the first game of the season and then having a bye. Then the season was interupted by 9/11. The Cardinals were in first place for the first three weeks!
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, October 08, 2006 - 8:38 pm:   

Poor T.O. I hope he doesn't commit suicide again.
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Racerx
Username: Racerx

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, October 09, 2006 - 2:52 am:   

Time to hide the pills.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 5:37 am:   

" The good times I had in Philly and Dallas." TO
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 9:38 am:   

No pills this time. He plans to jump out of a window. A basement window.
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 - 7:37 pm:   

When you marry a striper you have to expect the unexpected!
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 7:37 am:   

Try dating one. It's like Alice in Wonderland, Raising Arizona, Titanic and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre all rolled into one.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 7:38 am:   

Oops, and I forgot, The Money Pit.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - 4:27 pm:   

I liked the old Baltimore Colts, with Johnny U, "Big Daddy" Lipscomb, Raymond Berry, Gino Marchetti-who used to have a chain of hamburger stands, and others.

If T.O. wants more action, he could always move to Indianapolis, where the football players seem to have an affinity for strippers!
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Ratman
Username: Ratman

Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2006 - 1:37 pm:   

Or the Minnesota Viking boat parties.lol
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:11 am:   

No comments on Troy Palamalu's hair? It adds a whole new perspective. Should all NFL players be bald?(It cost him a touchdown). Is it holding if you grab a linebacker by the hair?
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Vallejo_dave
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 11:48 am:   

Steelers at Oakland today, sans Big Ben maybe. This may be a litmus test for both teams for the rest of the season.-----I was a member of the Raider Booster Club when I lived there. I'm glad Jack Tatum isn't around to hit Big Ben above the neck!
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 2:30 pm:   

Hey, is anyone else getting tired of the Manning propaganda?---Eli, Peyton, Archie--Where were they when Katrina hit?--not in the Big Easy, I'm sure.

A family of quarterbacks, lol. They don't hold a candle to John Brodie, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Billy Kilmer, Sonny Jurgenson, Y.A.Title, George Blanda, Sonny Sixkiller, Steve Young, and the Q-back from San Jose who went to Stanford--I forget his name.

Gimme a break, Mannings.--or Roman Gabrial, Bart Star, Zeke Bratkowski, Kenny Stabler, Darryl Lamonica, Paul Horning, Charley Connerly, and others.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   

Well, Archie wasn't a phenominal pro although he had 125 passing TD's and 18 rushing TD's. His career may have been better if he had played on better teams and had more to work with. He sure was good in college.
Eli is a good quarterback. He's fully capable of leading any team but we'll see in these next two seasons if he gets to the next level as a great quarterback.
Peyton Mannning is the real dea1! A future Hall of Famer.
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Wrecknball
Username: Wrecknball

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 2:55 pm:   

VD, Actually the Mannings played a valuable role in helping the Red Cross provide aid to Katrina victims. They arrived in the New Orleans area shortly after Katrina hit.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 4:56 pm:   

Glad to hear it, Johno. Where were they when it hit? They are certainly being good role models for us.

Hey, I forgot Lance Alworth, John Hadl and the boy phenom from San Diego State!
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Wrecknball
Username: Wrecknball

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   

Eli and Peyton were in training camp while Archie was at home in Louisiana.

Eli hasn't established himself yet, but I think Peyton will go down as one of the greats. Right up there with most of the guys you mentioned Dave.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 7:53 am:   

Archie was a great quarterback. Unfortunately he played behind the non-existent offense line of the Saints. He was dumped on his ass on almost every snap and got up and shrugged it off.

Same with Dandy Don Meredith with the 'Boys.

And VD - how dare you forget Roger Staubach?
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 4:15 am:   

John Kuhn signed by Steelers:

http://www2.abc27.com/news/stories/1106/372391.htm l

Johno, Ship also has a player with the Pack. He's a snapper.

Warren, sorry, I did forget Roger. I recall a back up QB for "Dandy Don" from Cal, but forget his name.
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Vallejo_dave
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 5:30 am:   

Joe Kapp---

http://calbears.cstv.com/trads/cal-halloffame.html

btw, UCLA at UCB Saturday at 5:00
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 4:59 pm:   

Maybe it was Craig Morton from Cal. Both he and Kapp played back-up roles in Dallas, if I am not mistaken.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 5:39 pm:   

http://www.bashof.org/jkapp.htm
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 6:05 pm:   

Craig Morton---

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Mort Cr00.htm

Interesting with the Cal connection.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:03 pm:   

Craig platooned at quarterback with Staubach until Staubach beagan dominating the position. They actually would alternate plays for awhile. Morton could fry your hands with a hard thrown spiral. Didn't he then go to Denver?

For some reason, I don't remember Kapp being a Cowboy.

First Cowboy quarterback I saw in a game - Eddie LaBaron.
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Vallejo_dave
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 9:14 am:   

Your mention of Eddie LeBaron, a Univ of the Pacific grad, reminded me of another smallish, excellent QB from Western PA, Len Dawson. In HS, he was like "The Fonz", hanging out at pool halls and dives.
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 6:57 pm:   

How about this NFL playoff mess! 8-8 team will be entering the playoffs. It comes down to 1 Weekend of football! Wooooo!
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 8:35 am:   

James - NFL has achieved what they have relentlessly worked for - parity. They absolutely do not want any more dynasties.

Here's how deep my paranoia runs: Texans had first pick in last years draft and we were either going to take Vince Young or Reggie Bush. I figured we wouldn't take Young because we had a high priced quarterback already, but Bush was a lock. Even Bush thought he was going to play here and was very excited about it. Instead, we took a defensive player who has been average at best.

My theory: The NFL powers that be told us to pass on Bush and let New Orleans take him to rebuild that market after Katrina.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 10:10 am:   

Yes, and it would also be a double entandre--"Bush Rebuilds the Big Easy."

Perhaps we need T.O. and the whole U of Miami football team in New Orleans.
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   

Not to paranoid. I buy that theory.
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Tommyt
Username: Tommyt

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 4:04 am:   

Who will coach the AZ Cardinal next season and will they be a success? Pete Carrol?
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 1:28 pm:   

Cardinals have a great shot at being successful,but with a new coach and scheme it may take 2 years.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 8:10 pm:   

Colts 15---Ravens 6---all field goals.

Now if that doesn't suck, I don't know what does!
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Tommyt
Username: Tommyt

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 11:15 pm:   

That does suck, but Ill say this, Chargers won't be kicking field goals.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 5:21 pm:   

Chargers? Hmmm.--I now hope it's Da Bears, but I suspect the powers that be want NO to win it, to show what a great job they are doing on reconstruction!
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 11:19 am:   

Got that right Dave! I would almost believe that they would fix it so that NO would win.
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Exiled
Username: Exiled

Registered: 1-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 2:46 pm:   

LOL.....I hope you guys are joking about games in the NFL being "fixed".....as of this post, the bears are winning; 25 to 14.
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Exiled
Username: Exiled

Registered: 1-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 9:14 pm:   

So who wins; Colts or Bears?......My money is all on Peyton, what a game he had....one for the ages.
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Joanne_in_mb
Username: Joanne_in_mb

Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 4:14 am:   

Go Bears!

http://www.JoAnnesPage.net
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:05 am:   

Undoubtedly, the Commissioner of the NFL saw my post and cancelled the "fix". Smart move. Me - 1 Commish - 0.
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James78
Username: James78

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 11:01 am:   

The Colts are going to win by at least 10, because the colts still have a good offense. The bears will need defensive scores and Great special team performances. COLTS!
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 5:42 pm:   

BEARS 23-20 over the Colts.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 6:02 pm:   

DA Bears, in honor of Ditka, Peyton, Sayers, Butkas, Rex, Sammy, Parsons, Soldier Field, Chicago, and other factors.

The weather will be an influence, but I see the Bears adapting.
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Douglas_oswell
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Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 6:11 pm:   

I never did care much for the Colts. I think it's because when I was a kid we used to play sandlot football, and there was this one jackass who, whenever he scored a touchdown, would yell, "TOUCHDOWN BWALT-IMORE!" at the top of his lungs. This was, of course, before the Colts moved.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 4:41 pm:   

Does anyone else think the Colts are going to run out of " stove oil" in the 2nd half?

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