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Breakout
Username: Breakout

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 11:44 am:   

I know we have many good amateur (and maybe not so amateur) profilers on here. Does anyone want to post some thoughts concerning this unsub?
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 4:04 pm:   

The name Ipswich Ripper is a misnomer and should be amended to Suffolk Stangler. He is targeting prostitutes as Jack the Ripper did but all the victims have died of strangulation or asphyxiation.
Five known prostitutes found dead that police say are the work of this killer.
Gemma Adams, 25
Tania Nichol, 19
Anneli alderton, 24
Annette Nicholls, 25
Paula Clennell, 24

Very disturbing is the fact that Clennell and Adams were friends and Clennell had been interviewed on ITV News about the murder of her friend and 72 hours later she was found dead as well. She did appear on the interview under the name of "Kelly" and her face was covered by a hooded sweatshirt but the killer still traced her down and killed her too.
I think it's just coincidental that two of the names of the vitims, Nicholls and "Kelly" coincide with two of Jack the Ripper's victims, Mary Ann Nichols and Mary Jane Kelly.
There have been at least five additional murders of prostitutes in the East Anglia area begining in 1992 with Natalie Pearman and including Many Duncan in 1993, Michelle Bettles and in 2000 with Kellie Pratt.

Paula Clennel had mentioned that she and Adams had been afraid of someone called "Uncle" who they called a "weirdo."
It's been speculated that this killer is taunting police for some reason to show how superior he is and how inadequate they are.
It's also been theorized that the killer may be an immigrant or exile who is being denied permenant residency status.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 6:41 pm:   

"It's great to be back in England. I feel like Jack The Ripper days are back. Nothing ever changes here."
- Oliver Stone, London, December 13, 2006
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   

The victims:
-Tania Nichol is last seen alive on October 30. Her body is discovered on Dec 8 in a river near Ipswich.

-Gemma Adams is last seen alive on November 15. Her body is discovered on Dec 2 near Hintlesham in the same river as Nichol two miles upstream.

-Anneli Alderton is last seen alive on December 3. Her body is found in a wooded area near Nalton on December 10.

-Annette Nichols is last seen alive on December 4. Her body is found in a wooded area near Levington on December 12.
-Paula Clennel is last seen alive on December 9. Her body is found near the body of Nichols on December 12.

All five victims were found naked but clothing belived belonging to the victims as well as a handbag has been found on the side of a road and washed up on a riverbank.

Suspect:
Police are looking for a heavyset white male with glasses and short dark hair driving a blue BMW that one of the victims was seen getting into. Another victim had last been seen alive standing outside a BMW garage.

There are 40 known prostitutes who work this Ipswich area of which only 15 represent the main core of the street hookers. Five of those 15 are now dead.
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Ed_neil
Username: Ed_neil

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 10:16 pm:   

Interesting... kinda sounds like the MO of Jack the Stripper back in the 1960's...
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 11:04 pm:   

It gets more interesting.
Five more prostitutes were killed in the area between 1992 and 2002. Natalie Pearman in 1992, Mandy Duncan in 1993, Vicy Hall in 1999, Kellie Pratt in 2000 and Michelle Bettles in 2002.
It's being reported that the hair on the bofy of Pearman had been shaved off and the mother of Pearman confirmed today that the police have contacted her leading to the speculation that the bodies of the the recent victims have also been shaved.
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Breakout
Username: Breakout

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 6:15 am:   

That is interesting...especially about the body hair. Such doing by the SK could serve two purposes: promote fantasy and limit forensics. I would assume less hair means less things to get caught in hair. However, stubble can be sticky too.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 8:01 am:   

Very good info Johno. Shaving of body hair - Muslim influence?
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:42 pm:   

Police are now saying that the hair was not shaved off the recent victims as was the case with Natalie Pearman in 1992. Police did however speak with Pearman's mother which fueled the specualtion but they must see something that Pearman's body had in common with the five recent bodies.

Police also have found and interviewed a driver of a blue BMW who matches the description of a possible suspect they were looking for.
A blue BMW has turned up again in the investigation. An guard of a massage parlor has come forward saying he saw a BMW parked in various locations outside the parlor although it's driver didn't come in. It was as if the driver just wanted to see who was coming in and out of the business.

The prostitutes in the area frequently took their clients to a rural barn for sex. This particular barn is just 100 yards from the river called Belstead Brook where two of the bodies were found in. There are two other barns near this barn and last week someone set fire to those other barns fueling speculation that the girls may have been murdered in them and they were burned to cover any evidence.

All five victims were strangled and none had any marks on them from any kind of a struggle which is leading to specualtion that they may have been slipped a drug by their killer first.
All five were found naked but they were all still wearing their rings, earings, necklaces and bracelets.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 10:57 am:   

Great updates on this fascinating case, Johno! I don't know about all the media comparisons to Jack The Ripper, though.

This new one sounds like just another one of those run-of-the-mill multiple prostitute killings. Horrible, but hardly a once-in-a-lifetime rarity. The only unique thing about it is that it's near London, where the original Jack The Ripper killings happened.

The most infamous was The Green River Killer. But almost as many were killed about the same time just a few miles north by 'The Pig Farmer' in Vancouver. They also caught that garbage collector last year who killed 13 or so in Kansas 20 years ago. Not to mention the guy last year in Illinois, I think. Plus the one they are still looking for in Atlantic City. Etc, etc....

The big thing about Jack The Ripper was that he killed & left the bodies of his prostitutes right in the middle of city streets or public housing. PLUS he left them for all to see with massive mutilations, their guts ripped out & sometimes their wombs, kidneys, etc actually cut out & taken away by the killer!

So whereas comparing this new Ipswich one to the original J.T.R. sounds like a 'romantic throwback', if you will, they are lightyears apart from each other.
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 3:20 pm:   

Sounds more like "Jack the Stripper" than JTR! JTS was a SK from London who murdered women and left them stripped behind commercial buildings in the 60's. Despite massive police stakeouts and roadblocks the killer was never apprehended. A person of interset who was an lorrey (a british term for truck or van) painter was detained and qestioned, as the bodies had specks of automobile paint but he commited suicide and the crimes ended.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 4:07 pm:   

Ed mentioned the similarities of how the bodies were found as well between the Jack The Stripper case in London over 40 years ago and the Suffolk Strangler case in Ipswich today.
The Stripper slayings are more complex. Most of the seven victims were involved in the underground London swinging porno scene. Two of the victims were invloved in the scandal involving the then Secretary of War John Profurno that brought down the Harold MacMillian government. This was a world of Russian spies, Chinese gangsters, showgirls and pronographic filmmakers.

The Ipswich murder victims all knew each other and represented 1/3 of the 15 regular street corner hookers that work the red light district of Ipswich. They were all drug addicts and probably got their drugs from the same source or sources.
There is specuation that they may have had a common John who they had been stealing from and he systematically took them out.

Of the five victims four of them were found in pairs. Tania Nichol and Gemma Adams were both found in the same river. Annette Nicholls and Paula Clennel were both found in the same field 150 yards apart.
There was no attempt to bury them in a shallow grave or under brush. The river is more of a creek so the killer knew the bodies would be found washed up on the banks. Someone found a body in the wooded field and called police. While ground units were on the scene a police helicopter overhead plainly could see the second body on the ground and discovered that.
Anneli Alderton was the only body that was by itself and it was merely dumped to the side of a well traveled road. One motorist came forward after the body of her was discovered to say he had seen it two days earlier when he was driving by but thought it was a discarded manequin.
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Vallejo_dave
Username: Vallejo_dave

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 6:20 pm:   

Hmmm--John Profumo. I had forgotten about that case. Mandy Rice Davies survived her sexual encounters with the Profumo-MacMillan Government, but I don't know if she is still alive. Maybe the other victims were silenced to "cleanse" the Govt connection.

Does anyone know if the current Ipswich victims were totally shaven of body hair, or just certain parts of the body?
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Ed_neil
Username: Ed_neil

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 6:28 pm:   

Just the fact the bodies were found nude is what reminded me of Jack the Stripper... as I recall, most, if not all, of the victims were found by or near the same river.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 7:37 pm:   

Dave, the Ipswich victims apparently were not shaved of body hair. It's believed that all had shaven pubic area but police believe that was done by themselves not by the killer. It's also believed that none had any hair shaved from their heads or eyebrows.
It's been long believed that body hair was shaved from 1992 victim Natalie Pearman but that in itself is now in question. This long held belief was based on "sources close to the investigation" at the time and was never substantiated.

The Pearman connection came into play because Suffolk detectives contacted Natalie's mother and told her there were similarities between her daughter's murder and these murders. Speculation revived the old story of Natalies body being shaved and it became rumour that these victims were also shaved.
The "similarities" may simply mean that like Natalie these victims were prostitutes, were stripped of clothing, were strangled and their bodies were dumped in the open with no effort to conceal them.
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Oklahoma_mike
Username: Oklahoma_mike

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 11:36 pm:   

Here's my amateur profile:

Age: 27-30
Race: caucasian
Profession: Skilled tradesman (printer, cabinetmaker, electrician, something like that). Possibly considers himself working ‘below his station’.
Gender: Male
Education: Equivalent to United States high school + trade school.
Residence: Born and raised locally. Travels about immediate area in his work regularly. I agree with the prediction he has home with garage. Lives by himself.
Appearance: Trim, good upper body strength, perhaps a bit ‘beefy’ but not fat by any means. Neat and clean, almost to the point of being obsessive, but not quite.
Behavior:Very nervous in large groups, comfortable in one on one, but observed as quiet and nervous. Never married, feels inadequate socializing with women. May interact in special interest groups on limited basis (perhaps gaming).
Usually described as ‘reserved but pleasant and polite’, but never intimate, )never invites group members to his home).
Sexual orientation: heterosexual but not developed beyond early adolescent fantasy. Neighbors and co-workers may suspect him to be gay (which he is not) due to facts he has never married or brought a date home and keeps self trim and neat.

A few additional points, co-workers/boss describe him as doing quite competent work and will note his thoroughness with the job from start to finish. They will comment on this.
Usually reliable worker but occasionally calls in sick.
He did kill Vicky Hall, she was his first, and he was in early 20’s. He knew her peripherally and felt scorned by her, may have stalked her with nobody ever suspecting. He has a minor police record on non-sexual, non-violent crime, probably breaking and entering or such. He was on probation for a while in mid twenties and this is why he stopped for a couple of years or so.
He kills by strangulation as he likes to feel life leave victim, he is a control/power killer.
It this profile seems to have some things in common with the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgeway, you are right. I used Ridgeway as a guide as I believe these killers have a lot in common.

Well, there it is. Hopefully we will have a suspect in custody soon to determine my hits and misses. If the constables catch him tomorrow and I find I was totally wrong I won’t really mind, so long as he is caught.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 12:06 am:   

You're not alone in your Gary Ridgeway comparison. Several investigators and profilers working the case are also looking at Ridgeway as an example of what this killer may be.
They will catch this guy this time around even if has killed before and was never caught unless he kills himself first. Tips have been coming in at the rate of one every 30 seconds.
Ipswich has 60 CCTV security cameras around town with 12 in the red light district where all the hookers worked. They have 10,800 hours of film to go through. A private buisness that overlooks the area where most of the hookers gathered has in addition there own security cameras and have offered their film to the police.
One of the street walkers has kept a book over the years containing the names of 200 men she has blacklisted and has turned that over to the police.

One suspect they are looking into drives a blue BMW and is a Polish immigrant who is a farm worker in the area. They haven't been able to find him in recent days to question and eliminate him from there investigation.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 7:59 am:   

Johno wrote: "One suspect they are looking into drives a blue BMW and is a Polish immigrant..."

Funny how one of the main suspects in the original Jack The Ripper case was also a Polish immigrant, named Severin Antoniovich Klosowski (who later changed his name to George Chapman).

And he also drove a BMW (sorry, I couldn't resist).}
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 12:07 am:   

Other Ripper similarities:

Jack The Ripper had five confirmed kiilings. All were prostitutes.
The Suffolk Strangler has five confirmed killings. all were prostitutes.

The first known Ripper victim was Mary Ann Nichols.
The first Strangler victim was Tania Nichol. He also killed Annette Nicholls.

The Ripper killed Catherine Eddowes who used the name Mary Ann Kelly.
The Strangler killed Paula Clennell who used the name Kelly.

The Ripper had a double event kiiling Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes on the same night and only a few hundred yards from each other.
The Strangler created a double event killing Paula Clennell and annette Nichols and leaving their bodies 150 yards from each other.

One of the popular Ripper suspects was Sir William Gull, Physician to the Queen.
The lead investigator in the Strangler murders is Dectective Chief Suprentendent Stewart Gull.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:59 am:   

Johno- As usual, excellent research into this fascinating subject. Though I'm not a big fan of it, this is something right up Ed Neils' alley in the Zodiac world. That's kinda how he coined the term "Zinchronicity".

Also the kind of stuff 'they' did with the Kennedy & Lincoln assasinations.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 11:43 pm:   

Suspects being looked into as reported by various UK newspapers:

- A Scottsman in his 50's who lives locally in the Ipswich area and has an S&M obbsession and once paid victim Paula Clennel a large sum of money to beat her with a cane.

- A Polish farm worker who drives a blue BMW.

- An American named Gary, called a "wierdo" by prostitutes and known as "Uncle."

- Tony Stephens 37, a supermarket worker who claims to be a self-styled "protector" of the prostitutes.

- Andrew Purdy 44, a property developer who is on a personal campaign to get prostitutes off drugs and off the streets.

- Danny Burrows, a massage parlour owner.

- A British man in his 30's or 40's who is claimed to have been owed money by all five of the victims.

- A senior police officer from a neighboring constabulary who victim Paula Clennel told police before she was killed that he was a client of her and another of the victims.

- A man arrested a month ago for the attempted abduction of a prostitute and who is out on bail.
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:43 am:   

Only the last one would appear, on the face of it, to be a likely suspect.
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Warren
Username: Warren

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 8:59 am:   

Well, they've made an arrest. Guess we'll see. I truly believed they would get someone quick, or find a suicide.
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:04 am:   

Looks like it's Stephens, the supermarket worker. I didn't think the killer would volunteer any information, but evidently the media knew he was a suspect and approached him first.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:12 am:   

Funny, I woulda' thought it was Colonel Mustard in the kitchen with the knife.

No, but seriously I am having trouble finding any good evidence against the suspect Stephens. It seems like he was just another neurotic user of prostitutes.

Oh, and he supposedly has some "bizzare" photos on MySpace. Though a photo with an empty can of custard powder hardly seems "bizzare" or sinister. Sounds like they're really reaching here.
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Ubpclaw
Username: Ubpclaw

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:47 am:   

This is what he said in an interview prior to his arrest:

From the police profiling it does look like me — white male between 25 and 40, knows the area, works strange hours. The bodies have got close to my house," Stephens was quoted as saying.

"If new information, coincidental information, crops up, I could get arrested," Stephens was quoted as saying. He added that he was confident he would not be charged
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 2:50 pm:   

Suspect Tom Stephens:

-37 years old
-Supermarket worker
-Part time taxi driver
-Former Special Constable (Police Volunteer)
-Divorced two years ago after an eight year marriage
-Nickename: The Bishop
-Questioned four times by police and home had been searched once before his arrest
-After his arrest home searched a second time. His garden is being dug up by police. Mother's home in Eyre also searched. His car is impounded.
-Lives in Trimley near Felixstowe south of Ipswich. Police theorized the killer had some connection to Felixstowe because the bodies led away from Ipswich toward Felizstowe.
-Described as loner
-Friend and self-styled "protector" of prostitutes.
-Would give them a ride to anywhere they wanted at any time of night.
-Good relationship with prostitutes. Several have expressed disbelief in his arrest and believe he is innocent.
-Was originally questioned after the October 30th dissapearance of Tania Nichol. Claimed is was "as close to a boyfriend as she has."
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 3:56 pm:   

37 seems a little old to me. He could be one of these false positives, such as that guy in the Green River case--I can't remember his name--that the cops persecuted for quite some time before letting him go--a loner and an eccentric (who loved to bait the police) but hardly a killer.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 4:13 pm:   

Sounds a little old to me too unless he was the killer of Vicky Hall seven years ago when he was 30 and didn't kill again until recently.
Hall was a teenager and so was the first of the recent victims Tania Nichol who he claimed to be almost her boyfriend.
Anneli Alderton it turns out was pregnant. I'm wondering if he was the father and this had something to do with setting him off.
Paula Clennel gave a televison interview with her face hiiden and under a false name after she had given police information on several people she condidered suspect and three days later the killer tracked her down and killed her. This guy could easily knew who she was despite trying to conceal her identity and silenced her before she talked again to police.
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Ed_neil
Username: Ed_neil

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 4:33 pm:   

When I heard about Alderton being pregnant, I wondered if she was the real target of the killer (maybe the killer was the father and perhaps he wanted her to have an abortion but she refused) and the others were red herrings to throw cops off the trail by making them think there was a serial killer randomly targeting hookers. If so, then the killer actually became a serial killer in an attempt to evade police...
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 9:48 pm:   

Suspect Tom Stephens is starting to look like John Mark Karr to me.
Police first questioned him after the disappearance of Tania Nichol weeks ago and for the last 10 days have been questioning him and looking into his background. Since they have arrested him, despite a thorough investigation that had already been under way into him, and with what they've found so far since the arrest they apparently have nothing of any significance that links him to these murders and he has offered no confession.
Co-workers, neighbors, family, former co-workers, childhood classmates and all the prostitutes of Ipswich who knew him describe him as odd and strange but no one thinks of him a being a murderer.
He did two extensive rambling interviews with the BBC and Sunday Mirror before his arrest where he basically said that he would be an ideal suspect with no alibis.
It's almost like he's an opportunist putting himself into the center of the investigation.
Even his job at the supermarket where he catagorizes himself as a "team leader" is nothing more than rounding up and bringing in the shopping carts from the parking lot.
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Oklahoma_mike
Username: Oklahoma_mike

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Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   

Douglas, the same comparison occurred to me. The first major suspect in the Green River case as a cabdriver (!) who contacted police to 'help' with the investigation. He admitted knowing many area prostitutes including some possible victims but claimed he felt sorry for them and tried to help them. So similar I wonder if this Tom Stephens has read of the Green River case.
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Douglas_oswell
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Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   

Mike, the guy's name was Melvyn Foster; a real eccentric who had approached the police and given them a number of tips in the case. From my perspective you don't get too many serial killers volunteering information that might lead to their arrest. I have to wonder just how much they have on Stephens, if anything. Maybe they've picked him up on a hunch, thinking that if arrested he's liable to confess. To me he comes across like the idiot who gets into the security line at a a major airport and jokes that he's got a bomb.
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Johno
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Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:32 pm:   

After he made two lengthy interviews in two major UK media outlets proclaiming himself an excellent susupect with no alibi's the police were all but forced to pick him up.
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Warren
Username: Warren

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Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 7:45 am:   

Now they've picked up another one...
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Johno
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Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 2:59 pm:   

Second suspect arrested is 48 year old Stephen Wright who lives on London Road in Ipswich.
Police have impounded his blue Ford Mondero.
A police tent is set up in front of his house and the road is cordened off to traffic.

First suspect Tom Stephens had a house warming party in early October, three weeks before the first victim went missing.
All five murder victims attended that party in addition to three other prostitutes.
Stephens and another man drove all eight girls to the party.
In attendance at the party was another person of interest in theis case, the American known as "Uncle."
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 3:19 pm:   

Karr looked like a good suspect with his ominous phone calls and his emails sent to the college professor about the Ramsey case, but when they showed his karoke video and his "don't talk to me I'm thinking" look he was more pathetic than hopeless. When the press labeled him Captain Highpants" no one took him seriously. At least these two supects have a physical connection to the case.
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 4:19 pm:   

Karr happens to be a guy who burglarizes houses while the occupants are at home. He's still a great suspect, in my opinion. I've yet to see that alibi that supposedly lets him off the hook.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 5:21 pm:   

Stephen Wright is an interesting suspect. Police are calling him "significant."
He is twice divorced and has a current live-in 48 year old girlfriend.
Prostitutes say he took them to his home for sex while his girlfriend was at work
Frequently seen cleaning out his Ford Modero.
Son of a former RAF policeman.
He's a fork-lift operator and truck driver.
Used to work on the QE2.
He used to be a pub owner in Norwich that was frequented by cold case murder victims, prostitutes Natalie Pearman and Michelle Bettles.
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Jim_t
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Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 7:22 pm:   

Thanks for keeping us informed Johno. Doug Last month on 48 hours mystery tv program on the Ramseys, one of the investagors beleived two people (one of them Karr) were involved because they found two different footprints in the basement. Also there was some rope found upstairs that may contain possible DNA that has never been tested.
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 11:05 pm:   

Jim, it's hard to credit DNA findings when they can amplify genetic material from such tiny specimens--it makes it much more likely that the specimens are there by happenstance and not associated with the crime. It's like the supposed Zodiac DNA--a few cells on a stamp here; a few cells on a stamp there, which could easily have come from a postal employee handling the stamps, or even coughing on them.

The thing that really has me wondering about Karr is his ex-wife's statement that she found women's purses and "lots and lots" of women's shoes in their house; the purses contained billfolds with grocery receipts in them. The only thing you can infer from this is that Karr was a house burglar, who entered people's houses while they were there--no doubt sleeping. In this country that takes a lot of cojones, and the fact that he doesn't ever seem to have been caught suggests that he was quite good at it.
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Ed_neil
Username: Ed_neil

Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 11:32 pm:   

Or maybe he stole them at an opportune moment while out in public, such as at a park or something. The owner removed them to relax her feet, was distracted, and Karr simply walked by and snatched them. It could be quite a while before she noticed them missing if she was on her lunch break and relaxing on a park bench...
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 12:14 am:   

True, Ed, but if he were in the habit of doing that kind of thing, which has to be done in the open, I believe he would have ended up getting caught sooner or later; if not for that, why then for something related--it would have been suggestive of a different type of criminal signature.

It might be instructive to go back over newspaper accounts from the locality where he was living at the time.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 7:04 pm:   

Suspect #1 37 year old Tom Stephens has been released from police custody.

Suspect #2 48 year old Stephen Wright has been charged with five counts of murder.

Police are looking into Wright's background as a pub owner in Norwich in the 1990's where two prostitutes were murdered.
They are also looking into a cold case out of West London from 1986 where real estate agent Suzy Lamplugh went missing. Earlier that year she had been a beautician abord the QE2 while Wright was working as a ship seward. They were said to have known each other very well.
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Colette
Username: Colette

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:17 am:   

Interesting fact about new suspect Wright. The press says he's a cross-dresser.
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Douglas_oswell
Username: Douglas_oswell

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:39 am:   

Who isn't?
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Yarbchris
Username: Yarbchris

Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 2:42 pm:   

First Helen Thomas pics, now this. When will you stop trying to scare me?
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 2:56 pm:   

When they arrested BTK,in the spring he still had christmas lites on his house. Ridgeways house had Xmas lites on it too. When they show the suspects Wrights house I bet it will have twinkle lites.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 4:35 pm:   

Ya, but when police came upon the Manson murder scene scene at Sharon Tate's house in the middle of the August L.A. summer, guess what? They realized that Sharon also had her Christmas lights on too!

Some people are just weird that way. No real connection.
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Johno
Username: Johno

Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 5:12 pm:   

But it is Christmas. Wright's house having Christmas lights wouldn't be unusual at all.
Halloween decorations might be a little odd though.
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 10:07 pm:   

Or the Easter Bunny.
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Jim_t
Username: Jim_t

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 12:46 pm:   

If Wright had cut their hair he could have been called "Jack the Snipper".
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Vscantu
Username: Vscantu

Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Sunday, December 24, 2006 - 9:47 pm:   

Or "Jack the Clipper". Yuk, yuk.

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