DNA in the Bates case

Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Possible Zodiac Victim Cheri Jo Bates: DNA in the Bates case

By Dave (rochcache1.roch.uswest.net - on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 - 05:59 pm:

it seems to me that more than ample time has passed to either include/exclude Cheri's boyfriend as the killer. I must only come to the conclusion, as cops have apparently, that they are negative. They only sensationalize when they are right.

By shannon2000 (pppa18-resalesanbernardino1-2r7174.saturn.bbn.com - on Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 08:18 am:

You know, I have to agree with you. Something should of come up by now...

By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-wm071.proxy.aol.com - on Monday, November 27, 2000 - 09:58 am:

What is the purpose of retesting DNA results from Quantico? Did they say when they expect results back from the restest at Berkley?

It sounds to me as if the DNA didn't match their suspect.

By Tom Voigt (Tomvoigt) (ac8f5d42.ipt.aol.com - on Monday, November 27, 2000 - 10:32 am:

If the FBI gave RPD's DNA case a big "thumbs down," I doubt their funding of another test could be feasible.
The Berkeley retest won't take nearly as long as the initial FBI test.

By Twagner129 (Twagner129) (spider-wc023.proxy.aol.com - on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 10:53 pm:

Maybe this will help with regards to DNA testing and the repeat testing of the DNA. There are three techniques of DNA analysis: 1)RFLP (restriction fragment length polymorphisms) requires more DNA for testing and requires a greater length of time to complete (weeks). 2)PCR (polymerase chain reaction)which can use smaller quantities of evidence DNA by using a technique to, in effect, "zerox" available tiny quantities into larger quantities for analysis. This technique is faster (days instead of weeks) than the RFLP technique. 3) PCR Mitochondrial (used by the National Armed Forces Institute of Pathology for identifying war remains) requires even less sample for analysis and provides a very specific identification. It can be used when there is not enough sample for the other techniques. The various methods can be used in combination to indentify a DNA source.

By Gregorypraxas (Gregorypraxas) (spider-to056.proxy.aol.com - on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 02:08 am:

It's perfectly possible that the results were favorable, and are simply being retested by another lab to confirm. It's also possible that the results were negative, and are being tested again to confirm that result. We don't know everything about the Bates case, or the evidence, so I think it's best to give the RPD time to do their thing, and see what happens. It may take a while, but, regardless of the final result, I hope that we can at least feel confident that the RPD did the best they could, and that the evidence was processed as thoroughly as possible.

By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-tf082.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 11:11 am:

I guess there isn't any timeline set for when DNA results will be back from Berkley?

By Dianne (Dianne) (beech.kcl.ac.uk - on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 10:21 am:

There will be no DNA results back from the Berkeley DNA lab. The crime scene sample from the Bates case was never submitted. I do not know where Corey Lyons of the CC Times got his info, but it is not correct. Dianne

By Tom Voigt (Tomvoigt) (aca920b7.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:23 pm:

Dianne, the info came from the RPD detective in charge of the Bates case.
How about if you explain how you know it was never submitted?

By Bruce (Bruce_D) (pm3-02-01.sle.du.teleport.com - on Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 11:21 pm:

I'd like to lay 10 to 1 odds that the USA puts a Man on Mars and safely returns him to Earth BEFORE RPD releases the results of the Cherri Jo Bates' murder's DNA results!!
Bruce D.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (42.philadelphia08rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 03:52 pm:

I'd actually like to know the results. Kaczynski's DQ-Alpha is a matter of public record, and it would be interesting to see if he's a match. I don't see what good it does RPD to hold the results of the questioned specimen.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-td041.proxy.aol.com - on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 05:47 pm:

Douglas: I have a very difficult time believing that it takes 2 1/2 years to get DNA results. Considering that a man was recently freed after serving some 15 years of a 65 year sentence when DNA proved him innocent (it took but ONE year to get the results), I have to wonder what they're doing.

Is it a possibility that RPD has had them for quite a while, and the reason they're not saying anything is that "Bob Barnett" somehow mysteriously just doesn't match? If so, oops. Maybe they're hoping we'll all just forget about it and it'll go away...

I don't know, just call me cynical.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (155.philadelphia08rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 07:31 pm:

Ed, that's a very likely scenario. Of course I understand he's living somewhere out of the country, and perhaps they're waiting for a more propitious time, whatever that might be.

And I can understand them withholding Barnett's typing, if for no other reason than Barnett's privacy. But the suspect DNA is another story.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx2-47.linkline.com - on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 12:08 am:

Bruce:I will go further. We will land men on the sun -they will survive as RPD suggested that they land at night!Of course, take off will be kept secret and the same for the landing-and which men(I suspect one is Shumway) and what kind of rocket was used! DNA-Do Not Arraign

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-tq033.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 10:49 am:

It could be very possible, as Ed said, they do not wish to release the results because they realize they are WRONG. One thing about certain detectives ,they don't like to be proven wrong, who cares who it hurts. Has anyone been following the case of Kevin Cooper (the man who supposedly killed the Ryans (plus child and friend) in Chino?? Excuse me but I think this guy is innocent. He is also on death row, don't you think that maybe DNA tests would be in order. But it took tons of legal wrangling to get the CPD and the DA to agree, they just didn't want to do them.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-tc041.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, May 11, 2001 - 09:47 pm:

What DNA means is that the cops who could care less about solving a case and are more interested in closing it have a whole lot more work to do to catch the real perp. It might also mean someone looking into the investigators themselves to see if there was any evidence that was manufactured to put an innocent man away.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-mtc-tj021.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, May 12, 2001 - 12:13 am:

Exactly--I mean does anyone really still think that A. DeSalvo was the Boston Strangler???

By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-tb064.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, May 12, 2001 - 07:21 am:

As far as RPD goes, however, if they have the results, and if they match "BB," the reason they haven't released anything is quite simple: since "BB" apparently lives overseas (perhaps in a country with no extradition treaty with us), a DNA match would mean that he'd just never return here. Look at Ira Einhorn. He's living in France, and they refuse to extradite him to face a 25+ year old murder charge just because we have the death penalty. Apparently, the French like murderers to stay free to kill more people; Z should move there to avoid the consequences of his crimes.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (234.philadelphia01rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Saturday, May 12, 2001 - 07:44 am:

True, Ed, but remember, this is California, where they'd probably give him a stern lecture and tell him to never, never do it again.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-wn064.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, May 12, 2001 - 10:41 am:

Well, if you are going to talk about France then that is a true area of expertise for me--justice system and all (are you there Tom?). The reason that Ira (scum, slime of the earth that he is)
has not yet been returned does not have to do with the death penalty, it is because he was tried and convicted in absentia--something that is anticonstitutional in France. The D.A. in Pa. had to promise to retry him (he had already been guaranteed he will not receive the death penalty) But let me tell you --something I learned very well over there--the wheels of justice in France turn very slowly but very surely, and Ira is on his very last appeal, (is on total house arrest), and I can assure you will he will be extradicted after this technicality passes. True, capital punisnment does not exist in France, but whether you are pro or con C.P., the U.S. is the last bastion of the civilized world that still has it.
What takes so long is that unlike the U.S., France does not have a "jury of one's peers", but a professional jury system. This tends to make things not only thorough, but correct. I highly doubt Simpson would be walking around a free man had he been tried in France. This might be a future evolution of the present U.S. system--as flawed as it is. The other thing is if at all possible the French Gendarme takes care of the situation before it ever gets to court. Remember the madman who took a group of school kids in Paris hostage with dynamite? One bullet to the head took care of it.(No innocents hurt). I was living near that school at that time and I couldn't help but thinking, if this had been the U.S., much damage would have occurred, the perp would have been handled with kid gloves, and gone thru years and years of death penalty appeals.
Although this is pure speculation, I am quite sure if Zodiac had been commiting his crimes in France, he would not have not have escaped justice all these years.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx2-78.linkline.com - on Saturday, May 12, 2001 - 01:13 pm:

A man who reportedly defrauded people out of millions on a treasure scheme is being extradited from Indonesia to face trial.He is from the U.S. Someone may want to give further info as I just
scanned the article and was in a hurry.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-ta081.proxy.aol.com - on Monday, May 14, 2001 - 04:25 pm:

Sylvie: that's good to know. Too bad the son of a b*tch won't die for his crime though. As far as Z is concerned, I meant that he should have committed his crimes here, then moved to France to enjoy perpetual immunity from prosecution for his crimes. It seems, however, that the news media (surprise, surprise) doesn't report everything, and what they do report is not accurate; I didn't know the reason they didn't extradite Einhorn was because their laws make trial in absentia unconstitutional (too bad), I thought it was because they simply don't extradite to countries with the death penalty, period (just in case we might decide to execute and be permanently rid of scumbags like that). Since that's not the case, Z moving there would be pointless.

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Friday, May 18, 2001 - 06:51 pm:

Ed, you are right again! A coward like z would like to run to France, for that very reason. Knowing that his time is about up he had better get the heck out of Dodge!!

By Jena (Jena) (spider-ntc-td023.proxy.aol.com - on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 03:12 pm:

Sandy , speaking of Europe have you read about the monster of florence ? "monstro di fierenza"
He killed couples in isolated areas in the same fashion as Z did. I found it quite interesting that one of the victims even had on layers of pants, anyhow I've been fascinated by these killings and there sick similarities ...Jena

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (ptlddslgw5poold162.ptld.uswest.net - on Thursday, May 24, 2001 - 03:19 pm:

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