The cardoor Message Board: Cecelia Shepard and Bryan Hartnell: The cardoor

By Eduard Versluijs (Eduard) ( - on Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 05:10 pm:

If you look at the picture of the cardoor in negative you see parts of other words written on the cardoor. (use the color picture!!!)
It looks like the killer tried to write something first and then used a marker that couldn't get washed off (by rain for example).
Do you see it also?

By Esau (Esau) ( - on Monday, January 01, 2001 - 10:37 am:

Where do we find the picture negative of the car door that you speak of?

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) ( - on Monday, January 01, 2001 - 11:37 am:

As a public service I've reversed a copy (originally posted by Tom on this website) and placed it at However I must say that even after adjusting the contrast on the reversed image I don't see any parts of other words.

By Eduard Versluijs (Eduard) ( - on Monday, January 01, 2001 - 12:48 pm:

Thanks Douglas, for your service.
I have a scan that has an even better contrast.
I can read the words "HEY" and "IS" and the character "N".
Can I send this to you?

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) ( - on Monday, January 01, 2001 - 03:47 pm:

Yes, Eduard, please send it. I'd be very interested to have a look.

By Eduard Versluijs (Eduard) ( - on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 07:33 am:

Hi Douglas,
Recently I learned that it rained that day.
I read somewhere that there was moisture on the telephonecell (that Zodiac used) near the crimescene. The picture was taken by Sargent Tom Butler so it can't be manipulated.
The markings I saw as a message are just raindrops sliding of the cardoor.

By Zander Kite (Zk) ( - on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:01 pm:

I have this theory concerning car doors. I have come around to believing that Zodiac did, in fact, plan to use a marker on Darlene and Mikes car door, connecting his two drive-by shootings. Only if he had time though and the conditions were right. So, I believe he returned to Darlenes car with a marker ready, but then his firing more shots aborted the markering.

By Ray N (Ray_N) ( - on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 07:22 pm:

I have this theory concerning the crash of the United flight in Pennsylvania. I have come around to believe that the terrorist pilot did, in fact, plan on writing on the windshield of the plane to connect this attack with the other three. Only if he had time though and the conditions were right. So, I believe he had the marker ready, but the passengers breaking into the cockpit aborted the markering.

Of course, I have no evidence at all for this theory, but there is no doubt this is what happened. After all, they were terrorists.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) ( - on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:28 am:


By Zander Kite (Zk) ( - on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 02:50 pm:

Ray, why are you leaching off of my theories: Get your own! Cmon, I know you have some good ones? Tell me more about the post-Allen interview theory. How Allen as The Zodiac cleverly collected a bloody shirt in order to distance himself from the Z-crimes. That makes a lot of sense. You must have some theories you are holding back on us, C'mon SHARE!! Your yes-man buddy appears interested in hearing more as well.

By Ray N (Ray_N) ( - on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 03:04 pm:

Actually, Zander, the post-Allen interview theory was originated by Det. William Baker. Perhaps you've heard of him. He doesn't come around here anymore, but the next time I talk to him I'll be sure to let him know how dumb he is.

By steve merritt (Cashflagg) ( - on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 11:56 am:

why doesn't Det. Baker come around here anymore?