Darlene Ferrin


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Darlene Ferrin and Mike Mageau: Darlene Ferrin

By Edward (Edward) (adsl-63-205-197-49.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net - 63.205.197.49) on Friday, November 17, 2000 - 01:13 pm:

I'm curious as to the reality behind Darlene's alleged "stalker." Did her sister ever identify the "Lee" character who was "leaving presents from Mexico?" If not, who did? Where did this lead come from? Does Dean Ferrin believe Darlene did not know her killer? Did the police ever go to her funeral? If anyone knows the answer to any of these questions, it would be greatly appreciated.

By Ed N. (Edn) (spider-ntc-td052.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.17.172) on Friday, November 17, 2000 - 09:54 pm:

I don't think Darlene had a funeral as such, she was cremated. Her ashes are apparently in a cemetery or mausoleum or something along those lines somewhere in Vallejo.

Ed N.

The Zodiac Files

By Hiho (Hiho) (spider-wc082.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.193.57) on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 09:36 pm:

I'd like to know if Darlene Ferrin had a "peculiar looking nose","funny nose",or a "turned up nose? It's hard to tell from the picture from this web site. Can anyone verify that please?

By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-tf054.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.197.199) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 07:49 am:

Could Darlene's killer have been her ex? Wasn't he a trouble character?

By Jake Wark (Jake) (spider-tj022.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.182) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 12:57 pm:

Yeah, and he was arrested with a gun a little while after the murder. And he sent a bizarre postcard to a company in England with a crossed circle on it.

VPD apparently checked him out, though.

--Jake
httP//members.aol.com/Jakewark/index.html
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (mail.ci.colospgs.co.us - 204.131.210.1) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 01:23 pm:

JAKE:
Yeah, and he was arrested with a gun a little while after the murder. And he sent a bizarre postcard to a company in England with a crossed circle on it.

VPD apparently checked him out, though.

BRUCE:
With all the supposed screwups in so many other areas, though, it makes you wonder if there might be something more to be looked-into here, doesn't it?

By Jake Wark (Jake) (spider-mtc-tf024.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.103.29) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 01:44 pm:

You aren't alone in your suggestion -- according to a 1/22/70 VPD report, the famous psychic Joseph DeLouise "has received vibrations that Jim PHILLIPS, Darlenes [sic] first husband, may have knowledge or be involved in her murder." Despite this damning evidence, VPD was able to eliminate Crabtree as a suspect based on his height, weight, handwriting, and fingerprints. This evidence, along with several interviews, led Jack Mulanax to write on 2/3/70 that it was his opinion "that Phillips is in no way connected with the murder of Darlene Ferrin."

--Jake
http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/index.html
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."

By Esau (Esau) (2cust18.tnt3.sacramento2.ca.da.uu.net - 63.26.66.18) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 02:13 pm:

What about in Graysmith's book where Graysmith says Darlene told Pam that the man from the painting party was in some type of cult and his job was to keep the candle lit in the skull? This might shed some light on the reasons for the discrepancies as far as height/weight and composite differences and the finger print at the Stine murder scene not matching any of the official suspects if there was a cult involved. It might be possible that Darlene's ex-husband could be involved in that way. Or maybe it's all B.S. that Graysmith used to make his book more interesting.

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (mail.ci.colospgs.co.us - 204.131.210.1) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 04:23 pm:

JAKE:
VPD was able to eliminate Crabtree as a suspect based on his height, weight, handwriting, and fingerprints.

BRUCE:
Interesting, these are all things that supposedly are "unreliable" in ruling-out certain other "Z" suspects... The different Zodiac composite's and conflicting info on height, weight and hair (color and actually having hair) make me wonder how they could rule-out anyone.

BTW, Jake, do you happen to know what this suspect's listed height and weight were?

By Jake Wark (Jake) (spider-th031.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.56) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 05:09 pm:

Bruce wrote:
"Interesting, these are all things that supposedly are "unreliable" in ruling-out certain other "Z" suspects..."

Well, if those criteria are good enough for VPD, SFPD, and the CA Dept. of Justice, they're good enough for me.

I don't know Crabtree's measurements, but it's my impression that he was too small to be Z.

--Jake
http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/index.html
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."

By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-mtc-ti024.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.101.159) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 05:23 pm:

Darlene was with Mageau when they were shot. Was Mageau familiar with Darlene's ex-husband? Was a sketch ever made of his description of the killer?

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Monday, December 18, 2000 - 08:11 pm:

Jim Phillips is 5ft 6in, blue eyes , horn rim glasses , brown crew cut hair.In 66 he and Darlene lived in Rosemead Ca, a short distance from Riverside. He lived in Vallejo at one time,grew up in Southern Ca.Lived in S.F. in 69 at the time of the Stine shooting.Darlene was afraid of him! Because of the description of the killer at Lake B.and the deep shoe print, I believe is the reason Jim was excluded. I also believe that it was a cult, that the one who killed Darlene was not the same one who was at Lake B.or the Stine shooting, and that's why all the confusion. Mike did say the killer was a head taller than her car, that makes him short! I read that Mike also said the killers car looked like Her ex's. If Mike was to point his finger at the real killer he would be putting nails in his coffin. Chances of him knowing more than he is saying, is better than 50/50. Its pretty safe to point at a dead man, but "if" he knows for sure that its the wrong man, then he is obstructing justice,and walking on Darlenes grave!

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Monday, December 18, 2000 - 08:53 pm:

Darlene did have a funeral, Although Jim Phillips said he was not there! He was seen sitting at the back of the room. Why lie about something like that? He told the police that he didn't know she had died, who's funeral did he think he was at? I have her words in black and white about Phillips. What I have learned about killers of women,is that they hated there mothers. His mother left him at birth in the hospital,that had to do something to him. He beat Darlene many times when she was too sick to go to work!And that came from Darlenes own mouth!! His adopted father was a cop,adopted mother a nurse. A lot of the unsolved z like murders were nurses. He is a diver,he too could have the z brand underwater watch. He was in the Army, and at the Presidio in 65, so he would know his way around that place also!

By Gomper (Gomper) (slip166-72-176-19.al.us.prserv.net - 166.72.176.19) on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 02:49 am:

Sandy, based on the research you've done, what sort of cult do you think this was?

Thanks,
Gomper

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (pool-63.50.222.223.phnx.grid.net - 63.50.222.223) on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 03:36 pm:

BRUCE:
Sandy, I think it's obvious that you have done considerable homework on this over the years, and you certainly deserve to be taken seriously. Unfortunately, the powers that be just "don't have the time" to deal with such evidence in lieu of their efforts on certain other crusades.

The only way to fight this is for you to put together a detailed chart that follows a systematic timeline and cites sources for your evidence that can be verified.

At the very least, you deserve to be heard, and if even a quarter of what you have been relating here proves viable, then you could *still* be providing key infomation that might help resolve this case.

By Tom Voigt (Tomvoigt) (aca2fd62.ipt.aol.com - 172.162.253.98) on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:03 pm:

How many times must I ask Sandy to explain her theory? Ten? Twenty?
Bruce, how about if you explain it.

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (pool-63.50.222.223.phnx.grid.net - 63.50.222.223) on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:33 pm:

VOIGT:
How many times must I ask Sandy to explain her theory? Ten? Twenty?
Bruce, how about if you explain it.

BRUCE:
I guess I don't understand what problems you are having with Sandy's information, Tom. Has she suggested some radical *new* theory that no one else has ever suggested--namely that the Zodiac killer is the product of *more than one person* acting together?

I can't understand why you don't find such information worth looking into, just as I don't understand why you don't find it important to look into Johns further, and just as I don't understand why you don't find it worth your time to investigate Kane further (if only to refute the "idiot" Hines' and rule-out Kane from any further discussion).

Just let me ask you this, Tom, after which I will be through wasting my time: Would that "detailed chart" I spoke about above regarding Sandy's investigations be worthy of your (and others) attention? If not, then what WOULD be worthy of your attention?

Bruce

By Tom Voigt (Tomvoigt) (ac8139e5.ipt.aol.com - 172.129.57.229) on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 06:37 pm:

This is the last time I'm going to ask:
Sandy, please post a detailed, fact-based synopsis of your theory, including why you think Zodiac is involved and how you were able to identify the various culprits.

By Gregorypraxas (Gregorypraxas) (spider-tj082.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.212) on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 02:59 am:

Tom wrote: "Sandy, please post a detailed, fact-based synopsis of your theory, including why you think Zodiac is involved and how you were able to identify the various culprits."

So, should Sandy use your methods, and only present that information which indicates that her theory has merit while omitting all the information which may indicate otherwise?

Just trying to understand just what your standards are on this matter. If Sandy uses your methods, I'm sure you'll pick her to pieces for doing so...

By Gomper (Gomper) (slip166-72-176-162.al.us.prserv.net - 166.72.176.162) on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 03:14 am:

Come on, fellers...We're all in agreement that a post from Sandy detailing what she knows and how she found it out would be of interest, right? So let's not bicker about it. Lord knows agreement is a rare thing on this board.

By Realtor (Realtor) (1cust98.tnt20.hou3.da.uu.net - 63.29.198.98) on Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 10:54 am:

Does anyone think there's a connection between Jim Phillips (Darlene's ex) and the Phillip's 66 map? BTW, "66" is 2/3 of "666," the so-called Satanic number. Was Z trying to tell us something with the choice of this particular map?

Just idle speculation...

Who is Crabtree, anyway?

Realtor

By Jake Wark (Jake) (spider-wc031.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.193.31) on Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 07:31 pm:

Jim Phillips was adopted. His biological family was named Crabtree, and he eventually took that name. Or maybe it was the other way around. I think Sandy's the expert on him, maybe she can help out.

--Jake
http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/index.html
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."

By Hiho (Hiho) (spider-wj064.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.198.49) on Thursday, December 28, 2000 - 04:55 pm:

That's what my partner thinks that it is two different individuals who committed the murders as well as connections to the painting party. Also there is a so called "cult" factor in the equation.BTW,can anyone verify that Darlene had a peculiar/funny looking nose back in 1968?I'd really appreciate a reply from anyone that saw or knew her back then.

By Ed N. (Edn) (spider-ntc-ta071.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.51) on Thursday, December 28, 2000 - 04:59 pm:

All the pics I've seen of her (on this site and elsewhere) show her nose to be pretty normal. What do you mean by "peculiar/funny looking" anyway?

By Hiho (Hiho) (spider-wj043.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.198.38) on Saturday, December 30, 2000 - 06:25 am:

Like a potential broken nose. I'd like to know if anyone actually saw her up close live (1968) not pictures.Family members,close friends,or that Mageau individual??

By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-wo064.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.200.49) on Saturday, December 30, 2000 - 02:54 pm:

Hi Hiho! If you don't mind my asking, why are you curious about her nose?

By Hiho (Hiho) (spider-mtc-td083.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.104.188) on Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 06:52 pm:

We're just wondering if a potential theory matches up with visual evidence.

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-ta083.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.205.83) on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 02:52 am:

1. There was no one calling her the evening she died. That was my brother Leo calling. That is wrong in the book.

2. She had a beautiful nose. Why so interested in my sisters nose?

3. Dean, Darlene's husband had Darlene cremated then called her family. There was only a wake..her ashes are resting at the cememtery in Vallejo, which by the way someone tried to steal them. This is a fact as of 01/08/01. That was the day Darlene's mother passed away, a member of the family took flowers to the grave, and also Darlene's and her brother Leo 111 (the third).

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-ta083.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.205.83) on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 03:05 am:

1. There were two police officers at the wake. Also Jim Phillips (Crabtree) was at the service.

2. Jake: are you talking about the postcard that Dean sent giving the police the finger?

3. As I have remembered the evening of July 4th, there is approx. 58 minutes that I cannot account for from the time she left Jordan Street to the time Richard Hoffman and Ed Rust arrived at the scene. Giving 4 minutes parked with Mike before they were shot. So that takes it to 54 minutes. And I can bet if we can find Mike Mageau he can tell us.

By Jake Wark (Jake) (spider-wd051.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.193.171) on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 07:25 am:

Pam wrote:
"2. Jake: are you talking about the postcard that Dean sent giving the police the finger?"

I don't think so. The card I mentioned was sent by Jim Crabtree, not Dean, to a shop in England, not the police, but it did feature a crossed-circle design and a crudely-drawn hand with the middle digit extended. Did Dean send one, too?!

"3. As I have remembered the evening of July 4th, there is approx. 58 minutes that I cannot account for from the time she left Jordan Street to the time Richard Hoffman and Ed Rust arrived at the scene. Giving 4 minutes parked with Mike before they were shot. So that takes it to 54 minutes. And I can bet if we can find Mike Mageau he can tell us."

I just checked the VPD report, and it all seems to be accounted for -- which 58 minutes are you looking for?

Good to see you're on the board.

--Jake
http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/index.html
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-ta073.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.205.78) on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 08:59 am:

Jake: Thanks, how are you??
I was told it was sent by Dean and I thought that seemed kinda strange, Dean in England? No that's not him. So thanks for the correction. But I will check my papers.

The 58 minutes from the time Darlene left Jordan Street to the time she was at Blue Rock Springs. I have info that she made a stop at her home with Mike in the car at 10:55 PM. She ran into my Brother Leo that evening and was suppose to be right back with something for him. You have to remember Jake not all members of my family were willing to tell what they were doing that night.

By Howard (Howard) (dialup-63.210.123.25.losangeles1.level3.net - 63.210.123.25) on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 11:44 pm:

I have the reports on Crabtree and from what I can see the police did all they could to check him out. He seemed to have a good alibi the day/night Darlene was killed.As always, we must have an open mind on 'all' suspects,but at this time he is clear. Someone should track him and research his life. Dave Peterson looked into Cts life and background and he wasn't impressed that he was Zodiac. Peterson, because he was a professional, left the door open and was always open to any new info on him. Of course,there is a lot of other suspects that look really good too!The case is unsolved so we all have to be careful.Theres some good stuff on Crabtree, but he is only one of many. I hope to to dig up the stuff on Ct and I will post when I can.

By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p43.as1.dungarvan1.eircom.net - 159.134.234.43) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 04:04 pm:

Does anyone know if Darlene had any association with Riverside?

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 09:36 pm:

I know that Darlene and Jim lived very close to Riverside ,because her marriage application in 66 showed them as living in Rosemead!

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 10:24 pm:

Realtor, Jim Phillips was born Crabtree,he was left in the hospital when he was born. A CHP officer and wife who was a nurse, adopted him when he was older.Who knows what this boy went through before that!Any profiler knows this alone could be grounds for a killers background.He was into a cult, and he was a wife beater!I have that sworn statement from Darlene herself.She feared him, Mike did say that the car he saw on July 4th looked like Darlenes ex's car.That he stood a head taller than her car, Jim is 5ft 6in tall. He liked to move from state to state.Darlenes stalker she said came back from out of state. Do I think he had something to do with her murder? You bet!

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 11:27 pm:

Tom, sorry I missed the 10 to 20 times you requested me to tell my story! I must have miss read the post that my story had you confused you. If I didn't tell it, how then did I confuse you? I would be happy to start it over again starting with the winter of 68 the coil wire taken out of my car,that same night being followed by a guy in a light golden brown car, from Vallejo to Napa.I saw his face from about 3ft away.And he didn't look like the Fonz.He was short, or he sat low in the seat.He had a afro hair do, he wore a green jacket with a dark fur color(like a cops)it didn't have a patch on the sleeve so I new he wasn't a cop.I didn't remember ever seeing him before, but he looked at me as if he hated me. I kept driving back towards the town when I found two NPD, while I was telling them what happened, the guy drove across the street to IHops. One of the officers said he would go and talk to the guy , the other said he would follow me to my home. When I read about the shooting at BRS and the car that Mike discribed, it sounded just like the one who had followed me so I thought maybe they could be connected. I phoned NPD and asked them to check the report, that one of the officers had spoken to the guy who followed me in a car like that one. I was told that the report showed I was followed, but the officer didn't report talking to the man. Over the years this same man follows me from time to time. I still get strange phone calls from someone who just breaths into the phone. He has spoken very few times, and it is hard to make out what he says when he does.Sometimes only music is played, like Mary had a little Lamb. I counted the notes and it was 26, I don't know if it was a clue to the 26th letter of the alphabet, or he thought I was just another Lamb.Who ever he is, he told Pam and I to stay away from each other. The same man is bothering her.He leaves clues pertaining to Darlene I didn't know her, but we both dated two of the same men at the same time.One was a Vallejo Cop.I dated him for about 5 years.He told me Darlene said that the man who was following her was a hippie.(Jim Phillips was a hippie)I did work at the Coronado Inn , Darlene liked going to that club. I have 30 more years of story,and it gets better. I will give you time to sort this part out first.

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 11:51 pm:

Pam do you remember the gift left for you,that came from England? Do remember when you recieved it? It was a doll like woman in a coffin, with a candle in her belly! Also the note that was typed a few years ago who claimed to be an old killer? Didn't he write that you were too pretty to live much longer? I asked you this because, one of the post about a murdered girl with the last name Gaull or something close to that,had a note with words a lot like that note! Howard was the one I think, who posted it.

By Michael Mc (Michaelmc) (1cust123.tnt1.lancaster.pa.da.uu.net - 63.17.97.123) on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 12:01 am:

Howard, is Sandy refering to an old Manson related homicide in the LA area? I seem to recall that she was stabbed to death and was seen in the company of Family members.

Michael

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 12:47 am:

Michael, yes thats the one. I would like to know what the note read, because I read the one sent to Pam H., it was so close to the same wording, the one she had I saw about 6yrs ago. As soon as I saw the words from the LA.killing it just clicked! Maybe its just another coincidence?

By Esau (Esau) (cc129455-a.rcrdva1.ca.home.com - 24.176.178.187) on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 07:08 am:

Hi Sandy. To read up on the Gaul murder go to Howard's link from this site. Zodiac-manson connection.

By Bruce Monson (The_Adversary) (csd142.bvi3.cos.pcisys.net - 207.204.7.142) on Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 09:21 am:

REALTOR:
Does anyone think there's a connection between Jim Phillips (Darlene's ex) and the Phillip's 66 map? BTW, "66" is 2/3 of "666," the so-called Satanic number. Was Z trying to tell us something with the choice of this particular map?

BRUCE:
I don't know about the satanic connection, but given that Jim Phillips was 5ft 6in tall (according to Sandy), that makes him 66-inches tall! Perhaps in the Mt. Diablo code the # of inches along radians is a hint, and "66" is actually part of the code information?

By Chrissy (Chrissy) (dial-63.farmtel.net - 209.207.16.63) on Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 11:49 pm:

Dear Board:

Sandy has done a great deal of work, so has Darlene and both of these women have a vested interest in locating Darlene's killer if for no other reason than that alone. They do have other reasons and while I tend to lean towards a single perp these days, I too have drawn a time line between K. and Allen(two men who had an odd habit of moving to the same areas around the same period of time.) I found this odd enough to wonder if they might not have been romantic.

Another thing I would like to point out is this, I had a person who would call and hang up over and over, this person was even able to acquire my number when I moved to Texas and had an unlisted number. The first fifty or so time it happens one gets angry--after that a smart person tries to get some attention to the problem. In my case, the person convinced people we knew in common, that I was bothering this person, not the other way around.

The point I am trying to make here, is when you are in the sights of someone who goes to great lengths to bother you, you tend to take it serious. Few others do. I am friends with a woman who dated a famed serial killer's brother and I would have to say even being that close to killer's origins definitely tends to upset one's judgements and does cause a great deal of fear.

In Sandy's case, I have seen some of her work and I would say she has merit. If she turns out to be half-right it still is too complex a scenario to easily explain. Some men in here have suggested some ideas much further afield than either Pam or Sandy.

Everyone who reads in here knows that I have my own methods and ideas. I would be the first to admit, I might well be very wrong myself.

Chrissy Shaw

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-tl063.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.207.203) on Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 01:29 am:

Dear Chrissy, Thanks, But when you have lived with this as long as I and Sandy have you tend to not be believed I really don't give a hoots ass who believes me or not. But they are very mistaken if they don't listen to us. Thanks for the support.

Pam

By Howard (Howard) (dialup-63.208.242.191.losangeles1.level3.net - 63.208.242.191) on Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 02:19 am:

Michael Mc-Just click www.zodiacmurders.com for the info.I have posted on the 87'Gaul/ Sharp couple-click. My book has a lot of info on this important unsolved(a detective told me it was solved!)case. You can order from my site.Sandy-the "Zodiac Killer" typed cap'letter is on my site.I decided to post it.Chrissey-More males have gotten their ideas shot at than one can imagine. We are pretty much gender blind when it comes to this case. All of us have some wounds from the flack-it's challenging and it makes you grow and dig(no pun!)that much more. We want to do facts and all of us speculate,just like any detective from time to time,but this surmising should have some basis in fact and be grounded in wisdom.A lot of us have been open minded and even tolerant of one another's views as we know that something might be said that will trigger some thought on that issue,or some other subject and possibly even lead to a solution.We can also disagree and reject the posters notions- all of us experience this and it is good ,as it shows people are thinking for themselves and not just believing or standing up for someone due to some sympathy or wanting them to feel accepted. That won't solve cases! I have posted many times for respect and civility,etc.,but in no way does that mean blind acceptance.

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-tp053.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.204.198) on Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 09:36 pm:

The message concerning Darlene's nose has been cleared up. I've spoke with the person and it won't be mentioned again.

Pam

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-tp044.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.204.194) on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 06:30 am:

THE MESSAGE;

After many years of researching this case on my own I will be joining the rest of the writers and have started my own book. This book will not only concentrate on the Z but also my life and what our family has gone through. It will be my thoughts and how I feel about the web page, the police dept., the people who have exploited me and my family for info. Darlene's life and the Suennen's. It will be like nothing you have ever read before. I have everything in motion as of now and it will take me at least 6 months. I think it will put a eyes view on how it is to live with this on a everyday bases. Now remember it is my story not the Zodiac's story. No one ever thinks what the victims have to go through and I hope that no one will ever have to be in my shoe's to know what I am talking about. There is not another sister, brother, mother, father, cousin, aunt or relative out there that has done anything with this case, so I think it is time after 32 years to tell my story. The story will begin when Darlene was 17 and will go through her life up until she was murdered and then on to the rest of the Suennen's life and how we have lived our life with this. It is 32 years old and the person or person's is no closer to being brought to justice. I am not doing this for the money like I see some people are. Selling items about the case just sends chills up my spine. I am sure if this was your relative you would move mountains to catch the killer. Well my mountains are about to explode in my novel.

Pam

By Juno (Juno) (ip-209-215-165-204.browardlibrary.org - 209.215.165.204) on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 07:18 am:

A novel is a work of fiction. I have seen people refer to "novels" on this board before and i'm not sure if they realize they are implying the book is a work of fiction. Perhaps the most annoying oxymoron is "true crime novel."

Unless you plan to vanity publish, please use a ghost writer.

By Pamhuckaby (Pamhuckaby) (spider-tp063.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.204.203) on Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 06:32 pm:

Juno:
Thanks for the advice, its already in the works.

Pam

By Eduard Versluijs (Eduard) (erasmuscollege.nl - 194.109.60.77) on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 12:24 am:

Hi Sandy,

What was the maidenname of Jim P.'s biological and adoption-mother's?

-Eduard

By Aubrey Jackson (Aubrey) (spider-tk013.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.206.178) on Monday, April 23, 2001 - 11:19 am:

Pam,

I was wondering if you were ever able to make out Darlene's handwriting on the paper advertisement that was found at her home. "Testified" seems pretty clear, but the rest is pretty hard to decipher.

By Thomas Richardson (Obaz23) (1cust144.tnt2.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 63.25.97.144) on Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 10:37 am:

Pam, you have never answered my question. Just where in Texas did you have relatives?

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 09:31 pm:

Has anyone out there spoken to Pam in the last two weeks? She called me a month ago and was very ill. I am worried about her ,so if anyone knows how she is please let me know. Thanks

By Hiho (Hiho) (spider-wi011.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.197.21) on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 09:30 pm:

Sandy, I believe Pam is very ill so that keeps her from commuicating with anyone as well as this messageboard. I hope she gets better,the last time I called her she could hardly communicate. It appears to me from reviewing the Darlene Ferrin comments that you were close to her as well as Pam. I'd like to know what did this "Hippie" guy that Darlene might have dated look like? Did he have long black hair with some bangs that sometimes was combed to the side?Do you remember any names? Some of your posts are very interesting and I'd like to compare notes away from this board.

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:35 pm:

Hiho, I met Pam in March of 90.She was living in the same town I was. I knocked on a lot of doors before finding her. I had to find out if the man who was bothering her, was the same one stalking me. We compared plate numbers, and one was a match! Darlene and I dated two of the same guys at the same time.( I didn't know this until I read the Zodiac book)The main one was a Vallejo cop Buzz Gordon. I am not sure if that is what made me a target or not. From what I have learned of the hippie, and how well he knew Darlene, I would have to say he was her ex husband! He has light reddish brown curly hair. In the early 60s he had a flat top and his hair looked darker. He wore superman like glasses. I was given a clue about 10 years ago, it was printed on a small card,---Me thee hippii Robeet . At the bottom of that, was ( 5 E's the 5th letter.) It is possible that someone named Robert could have been the hippie.

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 24.176.152.45) on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:57 pm:

Hiho, I would like to share information also, but I need your Email address,if you would rather not post your info on the board. Who was the hippie with the long dark hair, did you know him? Is his last name Young? If you lived in Vallejo in the late 60's, do you know the name of the man who wore a long black cape like Zorro? Did you ever see him?

By Pam Huckaby (Pam_Huckaby) (spider-wk084.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.198.189) on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 03:44 pm:

Dear Tom, Thank you for thinking about Darlene on this day. I hope that everything is fine for everybody and they have a great 4th of July. And as for my sister May God be with her.

Pam

By Socal (Socal) (66-74-215-189.san.rr.com - 66.74.215.189) on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 03:54 pm:

And with you Pam.

By Mark Coombs (Mark) (162-125-237-24.anc-dial.gci.net - 24.237.125.162) on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 10:08 pm:

Dear Pam,
God Bless you and your sister, I hope you are
feeling better! Take care, Mark

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.194.191) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 12:16 am:

Pam,

God Bless you both, Pam. Believe it or not, your sister entered my mind several times this evening, and I wondered how horrible it would be if my brother had been taken from me. Rest assured that she is in the comfort of God's arms.

Sincerely,

Scott Bullock

By Eduard (Eduard) (erasmuscollege.nl - 194.109.60.77) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 01:09 am:

Pam,

I read you had health problems.
I hope you get well, soon.

Eduard

By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-td024.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.17.159) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 01:50 am:

BRS was quiet tonight, and cold, unlike this night 32 years ago. It would not have seemed so strange tonight if Mageau was wearing three sets of clothes...

There were five cars parked at LHR, right by the recreation area, and about half a mile from the Z site. I don't know what they were doing, nor do I want to know. Otherwise, nothing out of the ordinary tonight...

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (acb70448.ipt.aol.com - 172.183.4.72) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 02:04 am:

I bet the FBI's file on Ed is taller than Shaq...

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 64.30.209.40) on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 03:35 pm:

Tom-They always return to the crime Zpot!

By Peter H (Peter_H) (209.8.9.221) on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 07:16 pm:

Howard:

Don't you mean "the Zcene of the crime"?

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-57.linkline.com - 64.30.217.57) on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 01:40 am:

Zeah!

By The Fife (Thefife) (hsa158.pool012.at101.earthlink.net - 216.249.83.158) on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 07:47 pm:

Sandy,

I would like to ask you a question.

You have said that Darlene said that she knew that this one guy had killed someone. I have heard it said, "She saw him kill someone." I was wondering if from her own lips she actually used the words "I saw him kill someone." The alternative would be some other manner of knowing that he was a killer.

Do you remember clearly enough through the years to say one way or the other?

Second to this, did she ever state a timeframe for this murder?

Thanks,

Tom F

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb6de42.ipt.aol.com - 172.182.222.66) on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 10:40 pm:

Tom F: Sandy didn't know Darlene personally, but both dated the same cop at the same time, unknown to each other (at least as far as Sandy knows anyway).

By Pam Huckaby (Pam_Huckaby) (spider-mtc-tk022.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.107.27) on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 07:43 pm:

Hi everyone, thank you for all the well wishes. I am doing somewhat better. Has any one read Robert K. book?

Pam

By Pam Huckaby (Pam_Huckaby) (spider-mtc-tk022.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.107.27) on Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 07:46 pm:

A question that I seen from someone to Sandy ( oh by the way Sandy Hi!)
The question was about what did Darlene said that night about someone getting killed. Would you kindly ask me that question again?

Pam

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-ntc-ta074.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.54) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 01:54 am:

I have read the R.K. book and I say save your 30.

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (d150-4-219.home.cgocable.net - 24.150.4.219) on Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 11:17 am:

What is this Robert K book? Is this the one Tom trashed in his Dec 20 update?

Pam, its nice to see you post on here. You mentioned a book you were working on awhile ago about Darlene. How is that coming along?

Ryan

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-64-175-140-223.dialup.wnck11.pacbell.net - 64.175.140.223) on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 10:54 am:

Pam, I think the question was about Dee telling the baby sitter, she had seen the man who was bothering her, kill someone at some time but didn't say who she saw killed, or who the man was.

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-24.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.24) on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:27 pm:

Hi Pam, hope you are well. A year or so ago, I also asked about what Darlene might have said to the babysitter. I wondered if she actually did tell the babysitter that she saw this "man in the white car" kill someone, or if that was just a detail fabricated by Graysmith.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 12.208.89.114) on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 06:36 am:

Pam and Sandy,
Maybe one of you two could best answer this question. Why would a man give a woman material? Read my posts on the "Dear Boss" thread, about Elizabeth Stride. Does Darlene have any connection to a "Catherine Lane"? That is the name of the lady at the lodging house that Elizabeth gave her large piece of green velvet until she returned. The velvet could symbolize green grass.

One guess is that the flowered material has something to do with Darlene's first marriage in Rosemead?

Darlene's mother died on "01/08/01." Was her death of natural causes?

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-88-14.client.attbi.com - 12.233.88.14) on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:27 am:

Bookworm, Pam would be better at this one than I. I was told by Pam that her mother became ill and died,nothing to make one think Z had anything to do with her death,if that is what you were thinking. The material was left for Darlene by the man who Pam saw many times at Darlenes front door.From what I have been told,this man knew Jim Phillips,and some of the things he dropped off for Darlene came from her ex Jim P.If Pam see's this post she will fill in anything that need be.Pam is doing fine,we spoke by phone on her B.D.Oct 19th.

By J Eric Freedner (J_Eric) (dsc15-lai-ca-206-217-22-166.rasserver.net - 206.217.22.166) on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:53 pm:

Bookworm, you of all people should remember Mme. Defarge (I think it was) in A Tale of Two Cities, whose knitted sweaters formed a secret code. Perhaps the material dropped off for Darlene was similarly a coded message, of a sort we cannot really guess at now. But, Pam, please tell us more if you can.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 12.208.89.114) on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 06:19 am:

Sandy,
Thank you. I'm glad Pam's doing fine. I ask because my dad passed away this year in a nursing home. They can be pretty scary (sometimes).

I was reading the LB police report and noticed that Cecelia's home address was on Mead, like Rosemead without the rose.

J Eric,
I saw the old movie and noticed the knitting woman, but I haven't read the book. Books usually have more detail. Thank you.

By J Eric Freedner (J_Eric) (dsc03-lai-ca-206-217-9-177.rasserver.net - 206.217.9.177) on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:22 am:

'Worm, as I remember the Tale, the woman uses a certain color thread in her sweaters to convey messages on who's spying on whom or some such thing. The cloth Darlene got need not have been so detailed. Maybe a blue cloth meant, "the plan's a go" while a red one would have meant, "no go." What plan? Whatever it was she said would make big news soon!

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 12.208.89.114) on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 09:02 am:

Thank you J Eric, save me reading a whole book at the moment.