Darlene Ferrin-Mike Mageau Police Report
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|By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 09:51 pm:|
I've posted 75 pages of the Darlene Ferrin-Mike Mageau police report.
Here's a link.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 10:59 pm:|
By the way, be sure to look closely: a couple of the pages are devoted to the experiences of our own Sandy.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (233.philadelphia04rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 11:04 am:|
This is quite an interesting report. Note what is probably the first reference to Arthur Allen as a suspect, with the notation that at the time of the interview Allen was 6'1", 241 lbs. and "bald." The report also illuminates Ferrin's ex-husband as a fairly good suspect, at least in the initial stages of the investigation.
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (cache-dh03.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Friday, July 04, 2003 - 05:39 pm:|
One of the things that's always confused me somewhat about this police report can be
found on line 26, on the first page of the report, where Ed Rust wrote, "Jealousy -
Revenge" as the 'apparent motive' for the attack against Darlene Ferrin and Mike
Mageau. That's certainly a curious thing to write on the initial report, in my opinion.
I'm wondering how Rust and Lynch derived that conclusion from the evidence that was
presented to them on the night of the crime?
This particular crime has forever altered my perception of Independence Day; not in terms of my patriotism or anything like that, but in the fact that I can't enjoy the festivities without also thinking about this particular tragedy and how the events must have unfolded. It seems that concept played more into Zodiac's motive than jealousy or revenge. I know, hindsight's always 20/20, but my question still stands, why "Jealousy and Revenge" as a motive at that initial stage? Based on what?
Happy Independence Day everybody, whether it matters to you or not... I'm especially thinking of our own Sandy: God bless you, I know this one is particularly close.
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:59 am:|
I still think that Darlene Ferrin is the key to the mysteries, here.
|By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup-220.127.116.11.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 18.104.22.168) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 04:11 pm:|
I suspect Z was some psycho from Vallejo who mistook a waitress working her tip for
I always liked Hannibal Lecter's advice to Clarice
Starling on catching the killer in "Silence of the Lambs".
"What he covets".
I suppose the police would come up with "Jealousy and Revenge" if there was no evidence of a robbery.
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (coral.tci.com - 22.214.171.124) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 11:50 pm:|
I suppose the police would come up with "Jealousy and Revenge" if there
was no evidence of a robbery.
Perhaps you are right Tom S., Tom V. essentially told me the same thing. Perhaps there is nothing to it after all.
|By Mike (Oklahoma_Mike) (126.96.36.199) on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 11:59 pm:|
Or maybe the officer filling out the form wanted to put something rather than leave a blank and reasoned that, 'since she was out parking at midnight with a man other than her husband,her spouse felt jealous and sought revenge'. Whenever a married person is killed the spouse is always at least considered as a suspect. Also, and I know this is from Graysmith, but IF it is true Darlene ran around with cops or a cop during some of this time it could have been gossip on the grapevine that, 'it was only a matter of time till her husband got wise". Does not mean there is any validity to it, but for a quick effort not a bad guess. In many murders it would turn out to be right!
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (cache-dh03.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 07:19 am:|
There is a logjam of weirdness around Ferrin & Mageau that bears intense scrutiny. Drugs, occult connections, Mageau's unusual wardrobe choices, and the persistent implication of some authentic motive, some tangible non-random selection process: these combine to suggest that somewhere in Darlene Ferrin's activities and contacts is the key to unraveling this case.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (pool-151-197-5-63.phil.east.verizon.net - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:37 am:|
I don't think so, Alan, if you'll pardon my being so blunt. The reason Ferrin was murdered, in my opinion, was because she was the type of young woman who could and would end up in a parked car in a dark, lonely place, carrying out some kind of intrigue with a young man who wasn't her husband. Being into drugs and the occult is simply a manifestation of that kind of personality.
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:56 am:|
I think that to some degree you are both right. If any of the 'known' victims do in fact hold the key to the solution of this crime I too believe that it is Darlene Ferrin. At the same time, of course her particular personality made her a higher risk victim for this type of crime, in my opinion.
|By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup-18.104.22.168.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 10:34 am:|
"Mageau's unusual wardrobe choices"
Is that in reference to the three sweaters he was wearing in July on the night of the attack?
If so, it sounds to me like he was out on a "date" and was self-conscious about being too skinny.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (pool-141-151-15-37.phil.east.verizon.net - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:33 am:|
Of course three pairs of pants and a jumpsuit would certainly take the "spontaneity" out of anything that might ensue!
|By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup-188.8.131.52.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 02:17 pm:|
If things started to get hot (Must have been for Mageau) she must have thought he was
A Russian nesting doll that is.
Geez poor guy, why else wear all those clothes in July?
Wasn't he very skinny at the time?
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 02:37 pm:|
I don't buy the whole (Graysmith-inspired?) notion that Mageau was wearing all those
clothes because he was uptight about being too thin. Thin was (and is) very much
"in" as far as sex objects are concerned. In addition, he'd have to be sweating
like a pig, and few things are as un-sexy as that.
So the question regarding Mageau's wardrobe is, why? Was he tricked out for some kind of caper? Something involving a disguise? I get the feeling that the Ferrin-Mageau relationship had more to do with business than pleasure.
Don't worry about being blunt with me, Doug, although I appreciate your consideration. I, myself, am about as blunt as a potato masher.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 03:00 pm:|
I was told by a retired investigator they felt Mageau was prepared to commit a robbery, thus the multiple layers of clothing. Mageau had already been arrested for petty theft at the time of the shooting.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (pool-151-197-206-126.phil.east.verizon.net - 22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 03:07 pm:|
I think we should bear in mind that very thin people tend to throw off heat at a greater rate than the average, and situations in which people with more-or-less "normal" body types might be quite uncomfortably warm are really fairly temperate for such folks. That's one of the reasons why your relatively tall, skinny, people are able to eat so much without putting on weight, while the rest of us get fat just thinking about food. It's all a matter of surface area as a percentage of body mass. Depending on how Mageau was built, he might have been quite comfortable with three pairs of pants on a hot July night.
|By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup-126.96.36.199.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 188.8.131.52) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 04:43 pm:|
When I was in high school I remember a couple of guys who would never take their
jacket off even on hot days. They were very thin and I think they were self-conscious
about it. When I was speculating on Mageau, I was drawing from my experience and not from
any other source.
If Mageau was planning a robbery (Did they mean burglary?) wearing multiple layered clothing would make sense.
I never thought of Mageau on those terms. Looking at his picture he doesn't exactly look like he's from the hood.
I gather Mageau has never offered any explanation.
|By Ann (Ann) (193.detroit02rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 08:59 pm:|
'Never believe anything you read, and only half of what you see' Who said that?
Somebody. Anyway, I took what I read about Darlene, her involvement with occult and such,
as possibly - could be - more gossip than anything else. People blow things way out of
proportion. She may have picked up a book on the occult, at some point, and next thing you
know rumors are flying that she's building an altar or something. (Just an example)
Considering the mysterious circumstances of her death, I don't doubt that any little thing
in her life that was out of the ordinary, could have been amplified. I'm sure you all
remember the game of "telephone"
Hadn't she been a long time friend of Mageau? I don't understand why it is assumed that she was 'carrying out some kind of intrigue' ??
|By Ann (Ann) (193.detroit02rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:07 pm:|
'Never believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see...' I guess that's how it went.
|By Sandy (Sandy) (adsl-67-122-214-184.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:26 pm:|
Ann , Her life was anything but ordinary! She had a very hard life,it was worse after she married "Jim Phillips". He was a wife beater,a hippie,into satanic cults. And that is just for starters! If you don't want to believe this, then read what "she" had to say in her divorce papers. I don't think she will have any peace until this coward killer is caught. That is what keeps her sister and I going.
|By Ann (Ann) (193.detroit02rh15rt.mi.dial-access.att.net - 22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 09:46 pm:|
Hi Sandy, She had a great deal of tragedy in her life, and it's sad to know that she
went through all that. When I read about her, I was thinking that she sounded like just a
totally delightful young person. I can't imagine what her family has gone through, since
It is my hope also that someday there will be a final answer to this.
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 11:32 am:|
I was self-conscious about being too skinny when I was in my teens, but never once did I contemplate wearing multiple sets of clothing to give the illusion that I wasn't, not even during a fierce Colorado blizzard. Sure, if I new I was going to be outdoors in the wintertime, I might have on a set of wool long johns beneath my outer garments, but never in July. Personally, I think there is more to Mageau's story than a simple insecurity. Has anyone ever bothered to verify if this was something that Mageau did often? How many times has Mike's twin brother been interviewed?
|By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup-188.8.131.52.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 12:40 pm:|
Thanks for sharing that Scott, I'm only speculating.
I'm suprised Mageau hasn't offered an explanation.
|By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup-220.127.116.11.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 06:23 pm:|
Or, maybe he's just an eccentric personality.
Nothing more to it then that.
Do you have another possible scenario to offer?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (pool-141-151-75-174.phil.east.verizon.net - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 06:31 pm:|
If they weren't out there for a sexual encounter (and based on what they were wearing,
it doesn't seem likely), the only other thing I can imagine is that they went out to
purchase drugs. I'd like to know more about the carload of kids that just
"happened" upon the scene shortly after the shooting.
Supposedly neither Mageau nor Ferrin was carrying much money, but perhaps it was a credit deal.
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (cache-dh03.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 06:58 pm:|
Or a small deal among friends. Or Vallejo PD, and the Blue Velvet Scenario, which maybe vanishes if the Santa Barbara case is Z.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (188.8.131.52.lcinet.net - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 07:02 pm:|
I already posted info on Darlenes involvement in the occult.She certainly did drugs and sold them and knew astrology,numerology,etc.,etc.
Hoffman indicated she felt badly about her past and wanted to cease her former activities.He went out with her and knew her well.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 220.127.116.11) on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 08:42 pm:|
The only scenario I can think of that hasn't already been touched on (or has it?) is
Mike being set up for violence by Darlene, with a double cross being the result and both
being shot. Or, perhaps Darlene was an unknowing participant and the real target was Mike.
It's not a very likely scenario. However, according to Mike's statements, he and Darlene were on Springs Road looking for something to eat and only went to Blue Rock Springs because Darlene requested they do so on the pretense she needed to talk to him about something. Once there, not much talking went on. Additionally, she seemed to be somewhat familiar with the shooter's car. Perhaps she was expecting someone, unknown to Mike.
Darlene had some involvement with drugs and Mike was no angel. He had a record for stealing, used an alias with the police and was dressed as if he was prepared to pull another job, shedding layers of clothes upon his escape to throw off witnesses and police. I suppose it's possible he had made enemies among Vallejo's criminal element and was merely "taken care of."
|By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-89-88.client.attbi.com - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 07:40 am:|
Tom ,Didn't Mike tell the police that the car was brown, that it looked like Darlene's ex Jim Phillips car ? Soon after Phillips took his car down south where he had bought it, and dropped it off? Then that car left, a few minutes later either that car or some other one pulled up behind them and the shooter came out. The brown car was there as soon as they pulled into BRS,was my understanding.If that is true, then maybe they went there to meet some one,and it was some kind of a set up.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 22.214.171.124) on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 01:09 pm:|
No, Mike never told the police the shooter's car looked like a car driven by Jim Phillips. Haven't you read the report yet? It's been posted for months.
|By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 07:02 am:|
Yikes! That was a quick honeymoon.