Which Case Would Best Lead to Solving The Z Crimes?

Zodiackiller.com Message Board: General Zodiac Discussion: Which Case Would Best Lead to Solving The Z Crimes?

By J Eric (J_Eric) (dialup- - on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 08:39 pm:

Here for all is the hypothetical question we had fun with in last night's chat. Say you have just been appointed by the State to solve the Z crimes. You can use the most up-to-date technology, including of course DNA identification, and interview all relevant living witnesses again. You have each crime case file (Bates, Shepard/Hartnell, Stine, etc.) on your desk. Just then, Governor Davis (recall him?) comes by and says that due to budget limitations, you may only work on ONE case. After all, he assures you, we need only identify Z and prove he committed ONE murder to send him away for life. Knowing you can only work with evidence in that one case and interview only those witnesses, which case would you choose?

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-90-84.client.attbi.com - on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:48 pm:

Darlene Ferrin case for sure. I believe she knew the killer,and he stalked her. Many people saw this guy, they are still alive to ID him when he is picked up.The DNA will prove it is him.I believe he still has his trophys with him. Mike M. is still afraid of this killer,so I wouldn't count on him to tell the truth. The killer was short and had curly brown/red hair.That was his first statement,the killer was a head taller than Darlene's car.The light was in Mike's face so I don't think he could see the shooters face .Its pretty safe to point your finger at a dead man.

By Tom Stout (Tom_Stout) (dialup- - on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:48 am:

I would think it highly unlikely that a victim would "finger" an innocent dead man because it's safe. He probably picked out Arthur Allen because he thinks he's the one who did it.

I tend to believe that Z mistook Ferrin's working her tip as a waitress as true affection and stalked her afterwards.

I think Ferrin is key (What he covets) however, Paul Stine's murder looks like it has the most evidence available IMO.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (cache-dh03.proxy.aol.com - on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:34 am:

That's a good question, but also an easy one, in my opinion. The answer has to be the murder of Paul Stine. The Stine case has the prints from the cab, an authenticated Zodiac missive from which DNA was also extracted, and at least one eyewitness.

BTW, a similar thread was created some time ago elsewhere on the board, only instead of theorizing which case would have to be investigated because of "budget cuts," it poses the question somewhat more realistically by asking "which case" would most likely lead to a conviction if it were prosecuted. Either way, I'd still place my money on the Paul Stine murder case.

By Howard Davis (Howard) ( - on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:55 am:

Although some will cry,moan,groan,bellyache,wail,whine and snizzle-I think Bates is Key to Z.
This is tough as there are certain elements in each case that could connect all of the zots.There are many variables and any 'selection' could prove the Final Link-even if,like with CB,there is no firm connection to Z at present.
So call mine a zut feeling-even though I think there is more than just a 'feeling' she was a Z!

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-90-84.client.attbi.com - on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 12:16 pm:

Tom Stout,Not very many people know what took place after Mike moved away from Vallejo.He was bothered for some time,by someone he thought could be the killer.He still suffers from the pain of that shooting.How do we know that the killer didn't warn Mike to keep his mouth shut, and to point his finger at someone who was a good suspect like Allen.Allen couldn't sue him thats for sure ! Isn't it true that Allen was interviewed on TV long before Mike ever said thats him? Don't you think he could have seen his face then? That is planting a memory in its self.I have yet to see Allen with curly brown hair. I have seen three other suspects who did at that time.Focusing on Allen is a waste of time in my book,lets check out some of the others for a change.

By Bruce (Bruce_D) (sdn-ap-010watacop0473.dialsprint.net - on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:55 pm:

Z said that he looked completely different when he did his thing.

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-90-84.client.attbi.com - on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:56 pm:

Bruce D. You believe someone who kills makes up lies, and names himself the Zodiac ?

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-90-84.client.attbi.com - on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:13 pm:

Tom S, Scott, True the Stine case has the most evidence,but with out a suspect it is nothing but evidence. By taking a longer look at the people Darlene knew and the man she feared, I think we can find the suspect. Plenty of people saw this man,once he is found then check the evidence for a match.

By J Eric (J_Eric) (dialup- - on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:27 pm:

While others may disagree, my personal thoughts are that the Bates case might yield the most useful evidence: assuming all murders done by the same Zodiac, this would have been one of his earliest ones (THE earliest?) and he might have made slip-ups that can still lead to identifying him -- such as the broken Timex watch (unless you want to think he planted one as a ruse). I would agree Stine is also interesting within the context of the riddle I posed. It could perhaps lead to the same conclusions.

Didn't mean to start a big fight over this, nor duplicate a prior thread (which I have not seen).