Zodiackiller.com Message Board: General Zodiac Discussion: Come here for any birthchart info

Welcome!

Anyone with any knowledge or questions about the astrological zodiac should present what they know or need to know here.

I will re-post the natal charts.

Also, I'm woking on the actual charts to see what patterns come up. Some very interesting stuff, but I haven't a clue how to accurately post my findings (I don't have a scanner & wouldn't know what to do with it if I did). Any ideas?

Arthur Leigh Allen:

Sun- 26*(*: that's my degree sign) Sagittarius
Moon- Possibly 26* Taurus or 00* Gemini
Mercury- 11* Sagittarius
Venus- 16* Sagittarius
Mars- 28* Libra
Jupiter-20* Gemini
Saturn- 06* Scorpio
Uranus- 22* Cancer
Neptune- 25* Libra
Pluto- 24* Leo

Mike O'Hare:

Sun- 01* Aquarius
Moon- 10*-13* Leo (Depending on time of birth)
Mercury- 06* Aquarius
Venus- 17* Aquarius
Mars- 26* Sagittarius
Jupiter- 18* Cancer
Saturn- 05* Gemini
Uranus- 00* Gemini
Neptune- 01* Libra
Pluto- 06* Leo

Robin O'Neal:

Sun- 07* Capricorn
Moon- 06*-11* Gemini
Mercury- 25* Sagittarius
Venus- 18* Aquarius
Mars- 01* Aquarius
Jupiter- 20* Libra
Saturn- 14* Aquarius
Uranus- 23* Aries
Neptune- 12* Virgo
Pluto- 23* Cancer

Chalandra's suspect

Sun- 02* Capricorn
Moon- 26* Aries
Mercury- 29* Sagittarius
Venus- 15* Aquarius
Mars- 20* Sagittarius
Jupiter- 26* Virgo
Saturn- 07* Cancer
Uranus- 10* Gemini
Neptune- 06* Libra
Pluto- 09* Leo

This guy is all over the place! He has a planet in almost every sign, except the almost necessary Taurus.

I wish I could show you guys the graphs.

Well, that's enough astrology for me today, kids.
I'll check in with you on Monday.

Peace,
Moonmaid

How about L. Kane?

Which birthdate should she use? He has at least two that I am aware of.

Thanks Moonmaid. Can you kind of explain to me what these different things mean?

JK and Ed N.

Give me both birthdays. It won't mean anything until we know which birthday is correct. But at least we'll have some data.

Chalandra

For every living creature there is a birthchart for the month, day, and minute that one was born.
The planets in the solar system were in a certain position in the sky. This is defined using the constelations (Aries, Taurus, etc.) Where the planets, Sun and Moon were at the time of one's birth can be put onto a graph. Now, this is true and factual and not arguable. That is what I'm trying to present to this board. My thesis, if you will, is that Z may have used his birthchart to plot out the locations of the murders. I won't, at any time, explain what the charts mean in terms of personality or horoscopes or anything "witchy" or "supernatual."

Chalandra, who is this suspect? If possible, can you (AND THIS GOES FOR EVERYONE) give me the TIME of his birth as well. I know it's asking a lot, but it makes the chart just that much more specific.

Thanks so much.
Moonmaid

Sorry Moonmaid,
I wished I did have the time he was born. This guy is my ex-boss. I started out trying to investigate him and ran across the composite for Zodiac. My ex-boss looks exactly like the eyes and nose. I've seen those eyes for over 4 1/2 years now and I am hoping to link him to being the Zodiac. The only things is, I don't believe he was born in 1944 like he claims.

Moonmaid wrote:

Where the planets, Sun and Moon were at the time of one's birth can be put onto a graph. Now, this is true and factual and not arguable.

Actually, its highly arguable. Unless you are using siderial astrology, which is rare in western practice, you are using a zodiac -- and therefore a graph -- that is about one sign removed from the constellations where the sun and moon actually appeared in the sky at your moment of birth. This is due to what is known as "precession" or the "great wobble" of the earth's axis, which causes it -- and therefore the calendar -- to swing in a full circle every 25,000 years or so. Thus, the siderial or actual zodiac advances once every 2000 years or so. Since the western zodiac signs were identified about 2000 years ago, and never adjusted for precession, which was unobserved then the actual constellation in which the sun and moon actually appeared at the moment fo your birth is one later than the one traditionally assigned to it. Yes, astrology believers have told me all my life that I am a typical Taurus, and I was born On April 29. Guess what. If I had been born on April 29 in the first cnetury BC, the sun would have been in Taurus at the moment of my birth. It was actually in Gemini in 1950.

Oops.

I understand what you're saying. Cusp birthdays are hard to pin down. And our (Western) form of astrology is highly questionable if not wrong. But Peter H., you know darn well that's not what I meant. I'm real proud of you for all of your knowledge about the history of astrology, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying. Even if OUR system is wrong, it is true to us and anyone who does a chart will graph it the same way, no matter how wrong it is. On the day you were born, at that exact moment, the planets, etc. were in SOME position. There was never any birth where the planets weren't somewhere. Now, if we are incorrect in our graphing, so be it. Whatever. This entire hemishere is wrong, yet the same. If you got your chart done in New York by one astrologer, using OUR system, it will read the same if you had it done in Texas. That is what I meant. If you were born on July 21, 1976 in California you are a Cancer by OUR standards. THAT is what you cannot argue. If your planets are assigned specific signs, by OUR system, no matter where it is done or by how many people, it will read the same. That is what I meant and you know it. But don't get me wrong, you've really impressed me with your wisdom and knowledge.

And don't ever "Oops" me again.
That is very mean spirited. If I'm wrong that's fine. You can explain things to me nicely . I love exchanging ideas and learning new things. I don't think I was stepping on any toes with what I wrote about our charts being non-arguable.

Sorry, but I'm a peaceful girl and bickering just doesn't do it for me.

Moonmaid:

Oops. To me, not to you. I appreciate your sincerity and respect for consistency. As you have gleaned, I do have a problem with astrology in general, but need not have dissed your sincerely held views.

And of course you are correct that every planet has to be somewhere. It also may not be so important whether the system is "correct" as whether Z was familiar with it and was playing games with it.

PeterH

Question: Could Z have choosen to use the Taurus symbol because it is the only sign that wasn't in his chart?

Peter H. said:
"It also may not be so important whether the system is "correct" as whether Z was familiar with it and was playing games with it."

Absolutely! That's my point. I think that if Z did use astrology it was very minimal. A chart (correct or not ) is very easy to come by, especially in the sixties, especially in the Bay Area.

Chalandra

I thought about that too. I need to look over the chart again. I'm looking for specific patterns that either match a map of murder sites or form a "Z" or a dang smiley face. I don't know, but IF astrology was used, it will come up on his chart. I think. I hope...

Moonmaid,

Hope you had a nice holiday season? I was just checking to see if you have got anywhere on looking over the chart for my suspect born 12-24-44?


Chalandra

Moonmaid I hope you don't use the defective Placidian System ; you can't even do a chart on someone born in Alaska- one must use the oldest of all systems the Equal House System to do an accurate chart.

Chalandra:

There's that "Christmass" thing again!

Realtor

Moonmaid would you do a chart for 10/14/41 ?
Then check the Transits for this chart at the times of Zodiac Murders. E-me?

This site gives free charts:
http://cgi.astrology.ca/chart/index.html