Is Zodiac a golfer? Message Board: General Zodiac Discussion: Is Zodiac a golfer?

By Eduard (Eduard) ( - on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 03:09 am:

Look at the letter with a piece of the 408part code.. in it Z. writes:"...near the golf course in Vallejo".
In the other two letters with the other pieces of the code (wich are copies of this one) this line is not written.
Was Z. clueing us in?

Look at the Lake Tahoe Card...
Siera Club (a club is a golfstick)
A hole (also found on a golfcourse)
Look through the pines ("The Pines" is a golfcourse in Arizona).

Most of the crimes were commited near golfcourses.

What if Z. was a golfer and had a tournament on or before the day of the crime.
He had time to get to know the area and could have stick around to find a suitable victim.
I know this is maybe farfetched but my suspect is also a amateur golfer who lives in Arizona.

Can someone help me out?

I need to know if there was some kind of golf competition (PGA?) being played on the courses near the crimescene's at or just before the date of the crimes. If the name of my suspect also appears on the list of competitors I can make a better case against my suspect.
Who wants to help me out?


By Bucko (Bucko) ( - on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 08:39 am:

As far as the "big boys" PGA tour :

Faraday & scheduled US tournament that week...last one was Nov. 21-Nov.24 in Lafayette, Louisianna.

Ferrin & Mageau...tour was in Grand Blanc, Michigan. The tour had not been in CA or any nearby state since April 17-20 when they were in La Costa, California.

LB....they were in Illinois 9/25 - 9/28. scheduled tournament in US...week prior they were in Oregon...week after in Nevada.

I couldn't find any correlation in regards to the major pro tour. (although you could make a case for Stine, I suppose) I also checked very high profile amateur events and could not find any connection.

You mentioned your suspect is now an amateur golfer. It is possible for a professional to regain amateur status, but it is unlikely unless he was a marginal pro, although possible. It is also possible that there were some "local" professional or amateur events in the nearby area. I don't have access to info on those.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) ( - on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 01:19 pm:

Before going off the deep end you might want to ask yourself this question: how many golfers have you ever known who were real losers? I've known some (especially successful businessmen) who were colossal bores, but never one whose personality matches what I'd expect of Zodiac, based on his letters and victimology.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 01:40 pm:

I bet Jon Benet's parents could afford to fly around the country golfing. Hmmm...

By Howard Davis (Howard) ( - on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 05:21 pm:

OJ is a golfer hmmm- and he even drinks Slice!Tom ,maybe he is funding the Ramseys because he,Zodiac and the Ramseys were involved in their daughter's death and JFK's assassination!There was snow around the Ramsey's home in December(the water element and "Around in the snow" links it to the Lass postcard!).I think the reason Zodiac left the note at the Ramsey home is because he fears DNA if he licks the stamps/envelopes,so he nows slips notes in homes without postage or envelopes. Z did mention his basement-so another connect to Ramsey's home and the case.

By Ed N (Ed_N) ( - on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 11:19 pm:

Eduard: the only Z crime I can think of that occurred near a golf course was BRS. LHR was four miles away from BRS (not two, like most sources claim), and LB and PH were nowhere near a golf course (as far as I know). CJB was murdered near a playing field of some sort.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) ( - on Saturday, April 14, 2001 - 07:19 am:

Currently there's a golf course about 120 yards from the site where Paul Stine was shot. Follow this link: and you should be able to see it. If so, Julius Kahn playground is on the extreme top right of the photo. Pan the image using the left icon and you can see a fairly extensive golf course with long fairways and greens surrounded by sand traps.

By Eduard (Eduard) ( - on Saturday, April 14, 2001 - 07:32 am:


Thanks for the info, I now know I can desmiss this suspect.


By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Saturday, April 14, 2001 - 11:49 am:

Not so fast. Did he wear a cape?

By Howard Davis (Howard) ( - on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 01:27 am:

Was Arnold Palmer ever in Riverside-he wore a cape at times?Tom ,I expect you are up nights on this lead-I wanted to give you "some bussy work to run all over town" with!

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 02:54 am:

Howard, if you can place Arnold near a Bobbole Machine then you might be on to something.

By Eduard (Eduard) ( - on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 12:58 am:

I'm back online...

Tom wrote: "Did he wear a cape?".

Tom, I hope you don't mean that you think Zodiac was actually Batman.
This maybe comes as a shock for you but...
Batman is a fictional character.
Comic book characters don't kill people in real life. Zodiac did!
Pleasant dreams, and don't let the batbugs bite you!

"The Zodiac-Batman Connection"

By Spencer (Spencer) ( - on Monday, June 25, 2001 - 10:51 pm:

I wonder if Bill Murray was/is Z? He has the necessary golf connection (Caddyshack), and he's certainly demonstrated an aptitude for murder as evidenced in the following exchange. Note, Mr. Murray is going by the alias "Carl Spackler".

"Carl I want you to kill all the gophers on the golf course."

"Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers they'll lock me up and throw away the key."

"Not golfers, you great fool! Gophers, rodents!"

"We can do that. We don't even need a reason."


By Eduard (Eduard) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 12:43 am:

Was Sandy in the movie as well? A possible new link?


P.S. Sandy I'm just joking (I have problems writing with English nuances!).

By Spencer (Spencer) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 07:15 am:

No, Sandy's the name of the head groundskeeper, a Scottish fellow.


By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 08:45 am:

Eduard,Kane had a interest in Golf in the early 60's.He had a business partner, who lived near a golf course in SanRafael Ca. Kane sued him, and took his golf cart.The partner was counter suing when he had a "terrible" car accident, and had to drop the case. If Kane wanted the cart for himself,it looks like he also played golf. We have a unsolved murder here in Antioch,the body of a woman was found at the 9th hole (at least 10 yrs ago). The road going towards the golf course is "Blue Rock"! More Zynchronicity? Maybe,or maybe not.

By Boojum (Boojum) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 01:00 pm:

Sandy, has it ever occurred to you that Kane is a copycat? He wouldn't be alone in that endeavour, there have been a few. Z was quite an inspiration to a number of dickless weirdos.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 01:03 pm:

I don't believe Kane has ever exhibited any behavior to indicate he was anything other than a petty criminal...and not a very good one, at that.

Oops...wrong thread. Why don't we adjourn to
"Lawrence Kane, Part 2" in the Other Suspects topic.

By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 02:53 pm:

And Allen wasn't anything more than a child molester. All you know is what he has been arrested for ,what about the times he has not been caught. None of us have all the answers, isn't that why we are here ,trying to put what we have together? Or are we repeating what the police "didn't" do back in the late 60's?

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 04:01 pm:

Likewise for Ted Bundy. He had been arrested for several petty offenses such as shoplifting, etc.
one of the reasons why most investigators wrote him off as a viable suspect. Turns out as he was doing those petty offenses, it is believed he had already started his murderous ways.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 04:52 pm:

Sylvie, you need to brush up on your Bundy history.

Sandy, I've attempted to coherently outline the connection between Allen and Zodiac. The world is still waiting for you (and MONSON) to do the same with Kane/Cane/RH/Hernandez/Herkimer/etc.

By Boojum (Boojum) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 05:15 pm:

You left out the Nefarious Nubian with the Bebbole Machine, Tom. You always ignore stuff that doesn't support your beer habit.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 05:24 pm:

You know the "beebole' thing is really getting old guys, There is only so much gas you can get out of it.
Yawn-- so funny I forgot to laugh type thing.

By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 10:13 pm:

Tom, who is Herkimer? I don't know what you want from me, I have sent you a lot of information on why I believe These men are connected to the the Z crimes. I have also posted a long time ago, how it all started in 68, with me being followed by a man in a light brown car that was described by Mike M. as the same looking car as the shooter on 7/4/69. And that night in 68 my coil wire was taken.I worked as a waitress in many of Vallejo's bar's. The chances of me crossing paths with Z are pretty good.I didn't just pick Kanes name out of a hat! He is the man I got away from in 68,and is the man I still see from time to time.I am lucky to have gotten his name from both VPD and Harvey Hines.If it weren't for me taking his picture, I probably would be dead by now.Why don't you post the note he wrote to me, and let the others be the judge as to who the writer of that note could be? I gave it to you along with his picture. A picture that shows the same scars that Kathleen describes, as the scars the man who took her for that interesting ride had? What are the odds of this guy not being the same one I came across in 68? Why would a copy cat make a costume like the lake B. one, and put it in my car ,along with a lot of other things? The news paper made the hood sound like a ski mask. It wasn't until years later I realized that what was in my car was the z's. He had to mistake my brown car for his,or was trying to set up my husband as the Zodiac,by leaving it. Why would a copy cat still play games with me after all these years, and also be the same man as the one who bothered Darlene, Pam,and Kathleen? The man I saw was "not" Allen and that is for sure! Now what else do you need to know? I am willing to share all of the information I have.I thought I had, sorry you missed it. I haven't heard from Monson, so I can't answer for him, maybe he was threatened by this guy? Every one else who has tried to help me has. Try Posting that note and picture, and see for yourself,if you don't believe me! You will soon find out the real Z is still alive.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 - 10:21 pm:

Sandy, I don't have the note and picture any longer, but as I recall, the face and handwriting didn't resemble Kane in any way. (IMHO)

Maybe Ed will post it for you at if you send him the items.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) ( - on Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 09:57 am:

Tom wrote
"Sylvie, you need to brush up on your Bundy history".
(this was regarding whether a burglar type could also be a brutal killer)
Tom-- I think you do. In 1965 Ted had been picked up at least twice in Pierce Co. for auto theft and burglary. In 1961, it is believed he killed young Ann Marie Burr, his Uncle's next door neighbor.

By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 10:29 am:

Tom, I find that very interesting,it would be something if all this time I am writing about a person I was told is Kane, and it turns out that VPD and Harvey Hines were wrong! Anything is possible at this point, so the sooner we can get his picture out there the sooner we will know for sure who he really is. Is there anyone reading this post who could let us know if it would be legal, to post a picture of a man I took a picture of in a public place . A man who has tormented me,taken shots at me ,claims he is going to kill me and my children.Who claims he is the Zodiac killer?

By Boojum (Boojum) ( - on Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:03 pm:

Memo To Self: don't go in the basement.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) ( - on Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 02:12 pm:

Wasn't that the name of a classic B-rated horror film released in the early 70s?

Sandy: You've finally got my attention with regard to this whole Kane/Z connection. Have you filed a restraining order? Why don't the police take your claims more seriously? Do you own a firearm? If so, is it legal and intended strictly for home defense? Are you trained to use it? Have you exercised your right to apply for a concealed weapons permit? What about your husband? How threatened is he of this guy? Have you consulted a private investigator (lack of money is no excuse if you honestly feel that the lives of you and your family are hanging in the balance)? I'm sure that SOMEBODY would be willing to post a picture of the LB costume if you still have it. As for the photograph you took in '68, I don't believe that would be very wise. Because this man's name is plastered all over the message board, THAT would be slanderous, unlike the photos of ALA because of the fact that he is dead. Sandy, don't answer these questions on the message board; I'm simply trying to encourage you to seek out every avenue that is available to you. I'm not familiar with the gun laws in the state of California, so take those references with a grain of salt, but PLEASE take full advantage of every resource that is at your disposal!


Disclaimer: I, Scott Bullock, do not, and never have, advocated the use of firearms in any manner other than that which is allowable by law.

Tom: Again, I apologize for addressing specific questions to a single poster, but Sandy's last two posts on this thread really gave me the shivers. IMHO, I really don't believe that the guy stalking Sandy is/was Z, but God almighty, it's patently obvious that SOMETHING is going on with her. Whether it's real or imagined, I honestly can't say. Who knows, perhaps I'm the victim of a cruel joke, but that is preferable to the truth of Sandy's claims.

By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 01:07 pm:

Scott , Please Email me. Tom has my address also Ed.Thanks Sandy