Updates on the Crime Scenes

Zodiackiller.com Message Board: General Zodiac Discussion: Updates on the Crime Scenes

By Ed N (Ed_N) (tcache-mtc-tj01.proxy.aol.com - on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 12:46 am:

I was at Washington and Cherry on Thursday night, the 32nd anniversary of the murder of Paul Stine, and was more than a little surprised at what's happening in the general area. First of all, the trees at the corner between which Stine parked his taxi that night so long ago were chopped down in the summer of 1999, which I found quite disappointing. However, they've recently (in the last few months) been replaced by two new trees, which appear to be transplants, since neither are particularly small.

The building next to Presidio Hill School (to the east) has been completely demolished, and presumably something will be built to replace it. It looks quite recent, and must have occurred within the past few months. It's possible that it was even part of the school, but I'm not certain of that. Presidio Hill School, is, of course, the same school that Harry Martin kept referring to incorrectly as the "Kiddie School".

Something else I noticed last week, which I hadn't before, is that on the northwest corner of the intersection of Washington and Maple is a fire hydrant. There is, of course, a fire hydrant located on the northwest corner of Washington and Cherry as well, across the street from where Stine parked, but I think that is fairly well known now. It's interesting that both intersections contain fire hydrants (that apparent water thing of Z's), which certainly would not have escaped his attention, since he was apparently familiar with the area.

In contrast to October 11th, 1969, it was 62 in San Francisco last Thursday night, and not a trace of fog. There were a few people about, at least one of which was out walking a dog. Certainly a possibility back in 1969 then...

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 05:22 pm:

I was lambasted for pointing out those hydrants(Zs 'water element'+ WASHington)the argument being they were some distance away from the Stine crime scene!
Also, you're making the effort to visit the area along with you're interesting descriptions show us your penchant for detail and dedication to the Zodiac case which is to your credit.Of course, all of us have known that!

By Ed N (Ed_N) (ac8b36e7.ipt.aol.com - on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 09:10 pm:

You were, Howard? I must've missed that... Penn claimed that Stine parked directly in front of a fire hydrant, and I know I've called him on that, among many other things... it was on the next corner, but now that I noticed another one at the other end of the block, it makes me wonder... next time I'm there, I'll have to check out the neighboring blocks to see how common it is to have fire hydrants on them. My main reason for mentioning them is basically FYI... I'm thinking now that perhaps it's a little more significant than I originally thought after noticing the second one at the corner of Maple.

By Peter H (Peter_H) ( on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 12:13 pm:

Fire hydrants? Are you guys kidding? How far can you walk anywhere in SF without passing one? Half a block? There are also water mains, gutters and and storm drains running down every street. Might as well note that there is this big San Fransico BAY and the Pacific OCEAN nearby.
Come on.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (acb7bb4a.ipt.aol.com - on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 12:26 pm:

And if you are talking Tenderloin District, there is urine in the streets. There's that urine connection again...

Ed, if I recall correctly there was supposedly another school in the area that was Kiddie School. Of course, this was told to me by either Harry Martin or Carl, so it's probably wrong.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 02:30 pm:

'Doggie hydrants' or no-there is still'64 Sea Side Slayings(if Z);'63 SB 187 next to water-shot in stream or water;RIVERside- RIVERside Dr.(Z? I believe it was -car 'old' Studebaker)10/30 /66;12/20/68 LAKE Herman -LAKE Herman Road;Blue Rock SPRINGS-SPRINGS St.Z call 7/5/69;LAKE Berryessa- Z call next to Napa car WASH,9/27/69;10/11/69 WASHington St.,LAKE Tahoe-(f Z )9/6/70;LAKE Co. 87s(if Z );BAY Area,etc,.It is of interest ,and some Z researchers-like Z Expert Peterson,have noticed this "water"connection-just FYI.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 02:38 pm:

There are a lot of tender loins in Frisco!

By Ed N (Ed_N) (aca2036f.ipt.aol.com - on Friday, October 19, 2001 - 10:40 pm:

Peter: I know they're common, I just don't know how common. I just thought it was interesting, that Stine parked on a block with a fire hydrant at each end, on Washington Street. Curious, that's all, like all the other water references in the places Z struck.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb62a75.ipt.aol.com - on Friday, December 21, 2001 - 06:41 pm:

Last night was the 33rd anniversary of the LHR murders, when the entire Z case started; not much has changed there in the last three decades. Even though LHR was quiet most of the night, there was a flurry of activity when a number of cars drove by (in both directions) between 11:10 and 11:15 (about the time when Z actually shot DAF and BLJ), which I thought was rather odd. Unlike 12-20-1968, it was actually relatively warm last night, but muddy from the incessant rain.

I also noted that on the "no trespassing" sign on the gate, some wag used a black magic marker (felt tip pen!) and drew Z's crossed circle symbol on the upper left, and the odd symbol from the bottom of the "Exorcist" letter on the upper right. One thing's for sure, whoever it was knew that was the exact spot where it all began, and was therefore probably a local; like Zodiac Island, I don't think many people know precisely where the attack site is. Either way, I got a kick out of it.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-mtc-te041.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 12:46 am:

It was my pleasure to be taken by Ed N to Lake Berryessa where we met Esau of the Board.He has an excellent knowledge of the case and it was a very interesting experience speaking with him and hearing his ideas and information.

We all enjoyed some good conversation relative to the Zodiac case.We explored the attack site and the general area.There was a misty rain coupled with overcast skies.It was still and the air was fresh.All of us asked aloud how could or why would anyone want to kill someone in this quiet spot of nature.Truly Zodiac was an evil person devoid of all human decency.

The old Oak tree that Zodiac probably stood behind to don his hood is now but a stump.Let's hope that this is a silent message that the case will be solved instead of everyone being stumped!Just a little Zevity.The tree near to where the young couple was reclining is still there and the other tree has since disappeared.Graysmith was in error in pointing out another site some distance away.I hope Ed will make some of his excellent observations on the site.

After leaving Esau we went to Napa and the place where Zodiac made his close to the car wash phone call.The booth is no longer there and the car wash ,which was close to a fair sized stream ,no longer is standing.The old stone building which is a landmark is still there and the booth had been next or very close to the wall of the historic building.

We had lunch at Tom's favorite Mexican restaurant, which is very close to where the Z site is-always thinking about the job!This way he can keep an eye on the area while he munches chips and a giant burrito with a beer!We wished he were there to help us eat all that good Mexican food-sorry Tom!

We then made our way to S.F.It was dark, cold ,damp and foggy(you could hear the constant droning of a distant fog horn) with conditions that were close to the time so long ago where evil passed.Ed remarked to me that it was the first time that he had been there(and Ed has been there -many times -and this includes all the Z sites,as he is very dedicated to th Z project!) that it was foggy just like on the 11th of October'69!We took a lot of photos of the sites.

It was an unusual feeling to walk the same route-at least part of it -as there is contraversy as to the exact course Z took after he left the cab with its death and misery entombed within.

I will say that after exploring the area ,the one thing that really impressed me was the closness of the window to the crime scene the three teens were looking though as they watched the horror below.It was an unobstructed view just as the police report indicated.With the excellent eyesight that many teens have ,and there was no evidence to the contrary on the night of the Stine murder ,I can say they really did get a good look at Zodiac.

Something happened just after Zodiac finished wiping the cab down that is not widely known and I will let Ed tell the story if he wishes.Let's prevail on him to also post on what he heard about an unusual event relative to Zodiacs car on LHR.And Ed ,don't forget the abduction too!No more Mels burgers, premium fries and chocolate shakes if you don't!If you do not I will do something nasty which you know I am capable of!

Thanks Ed ,for the great Z tour of all of the Zodiac sites -it was good of you to do it.You are truly a Zodiac expert.Tom has done a fabulous job gathering documents,etc.and providing this site for us to post on.Many thanks!Ed, I wish you would give tours to the sites ;it could be quite an informative historical business!A Z ticket to ride.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-ntc-tb071.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 07:30 am:

Ed, you are a Zodiac expert to be sure but I take exception that LHR was "where it all began". There is too much irrefutable evidence that CJB was Z's handiwork. But I doubt that is where it all began either.

By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 05:08 pm:

The trip with Ed and Howard was well worth the drive. We WILL do it again. As Howard mentioned the place is absolutely beautiful. It really is hard to believe something so evil could happen there. I saw a huge trout jump about 50 yards from the scene. I did notice something else interesting. Close to Moskowite Corners is a street named "Penny Lane". I have a call in with Napa County to find out if the street was in existence back in 1969. I'll let all of you know as soon as I find out. I took some pretty good digital pics on our trip. I found that after seeing Howard in person he's not the 80ish crotchety old man that I pictured him to be. Ed is not only very intelligent but a very strong looking man and I'm convinced he could take Tom (just kidding Tom). Maybe Tom can put some of the pics on this website or if he doesn't have the room any one of you can email me with a request and I'll email a couple of pics to you. This offer includes everyone including Eduard.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (pdx-cfi-90.navi.net - on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 05:22 pm:

Esau, your e-mail address for those interested?

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-tl061.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 07:19 pm:

You little wipper snapper I'll take you with my cane!All of my S.F. pictures have bubble like images on them so that was a bust.I hope Ed's pictures came out so I can bum some from him!

I think Sylvie is correct-Bates was "...not the first and she will not be the last".The '67 missives said "There will be More."As Z wrote in '71"...there is a hell of a lot more [there the "more"-victims!]down there"[So. CA].

All communications from that period('66-67) are in Zodiacs handwriting,including the deskBOTTOM poem.There are many-not a few, indications in the Bates crime and internal studies show Zodiac traits within the typed letter.

If one reads Zodiac's 11/9/69 letter carefully he is saying he is killing people with the sole motive(no more "brush off" motives!)of making them his "slaves" and that this new concept began in 12/20/68:"Ask the Vallejo cop[Lundblad]about my electric gun sight which I used to START[12/20/68] my collectiing of slaves."Nothing personal you see!

The only thing Zodiac is concerned about is the manner in which he kills these people as he says "I shall CHANGE the WAY the collecting of slaves."11/9/69.I think it is very interesting that Zodiac waited till 11/9/69(something going on in his life?)to render his detailed diatribe against the S.F,police.Strange.I think I know!

Z's main concern was that the police will "try to slow[why not just "stop"-why he is also saying "slow" down his killings;either he is stopped or he is not,unless he means that if he is indentified it will be more difficult to kill] his slaves down or stop my collection of slaves for afterlife."7/31/69.Z is also concerned with the amount of slaves he kills:"...the more slaves I will collect[he uses collect or its plural contstantly]for my after life."Between '66 and '68 he seems to have learned this radical occult teaching and refers to it constantly.

By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 10:46 pm:

My email address is esau54@yahoo.com. When I have several requests I'll send them all at the same time.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb6a863.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 01:04 am:

I believe I mentioned that incident shortly after it happened, Howard, but I don't recall if I mentioned that one detail, so here it is again: in November 1999, I happened to bump into a friend of the three teens who saw Z in PH. I know he was genuine, because he knew their names, and only a handful of investigators outside of law enforcement do. He mentioned one thing the then teens told him that stuck with me: after Z finished wiping down the cab, he turned and looked directly at them, then closed the cab door and walked away. It's interesting to note that in his very next letter, he threatened to kill school children; I believe that was a direct threat against the teens who saw him clearly that night, a threat he never made good on.

As Howard mentioned, I don't recall being in PH when it was foggy as it was on 10-11-1969. What I discovered Wednesday night as we traced one of Z's possible routes into the Julius Kahn playground and the Presidio was that, in the foggy darkness, it was impossible from our vantage point on the wall between Pacific and West Pacific to see anything in the playground at all! Therefore, the report by "neighbors that a stocky figure was seen dashing across Julius Kahn Public Playground and into the dense undergrowth of the Presidio" (Zodiac, p. 91, which Graysmith took from the newspaper report in the Chronicle the day after the murder) was not possible, unless there were lights that illuminated the playground in 1969 that are no longer there, or the neighbor was actually in the park at the time and in close proximity to Z. What Howard and I observed was a sea of darkness that was the playground; it was completely black. So, it makes me wonder just where that report came from in the first place. A citizen trying to be a little too helpful?

I'll post the other things as soon as I can; I haven't forgotten them!

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (216.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 09:40 am:

"Hello, this is a concerned citizen, and I'd like to report that I just saw a stocky figure dashing across Julius Kahn Public Playground into the dense undergrowth of the Presidio."

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-ntc-ta012.proxy.aol.com - on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 01:19 am:

You wouldn't be Kahning us would you?

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-ntc-ta064.proxy.aol.com - on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 12:49 pm:

Ed, I moved this over here. Yes I realized that was what you meant after I posted -- my bad.
Actually, as far as literally where it all began, well, I am inclined to agree with Det. Baker that the Santa Barbara murders were Z' work.
Perhaps that was his first foray.

By Spencer (Spencer) (1cust164.tnt2.sausalito3.ca.da.uu.net - on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 03:30 pm:

According to the highly reliable source Nash Bridges, the intersection of Washington & Cherry in S.F. is an alley in Chinatown, not an intersection in the upscale Presidio Heights area of the City as previously stated. Furthermore, Z chose his victims by bisecting quadrants from Mount Diablo. Sorry for any confusion.


By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb6078a.ipt.aol.com - on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 07:04 pm:

After I watched that episode, I suddenly realized why Z was able to give SFPD the slip; they were searching for him in the Presidio, when in fact he was far away in another part of the City! Bet he was laughing at them while eating cashew nut chicken at his favorite restaurant...

By Mcgarrett2000 (Mcgarrett2000) (trigger.library.ucsf.edu - on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 02:19 pm:

You mean Z could have been dining at Sam Wo's. Wow! About the Chron article that Graysmith quoted concerning the playground: The Chron has never really been considered a bastion of journalistic integrity and they have been known to "embellish" stories a bit. You find parts of their stories even now where the reporter seems to be adding their own speculation in the narrative that is never attributed to someone being interviewed in the piece. It is why many Bay Area residents lovingly refer to the Chronicle as "The Comical."

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb44662.ipt.aol.com - on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 04:14 pm:

I wasn't aware that the reference was "loving." I've always thought it was meant in a derogatory sense. In any case, the mysterious neighborly report seems to be part of the mythology that's grown up around this case. It amazes me that even in this day and age how so much fiction becomes mixed up with fact, and sometimes even replaces it.

By Mcgarrett2000 (Mcgarrett2000) (trigger.library.ucsf.edu - on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 02:31 pm:

I think I was being sarcastic when I said loving. Bad reporting from the get go will insure that fiction gets mixed up with fact. After all, one of the ways we record history is through the reports of the time. If said reports are in any way false, than the untruths become part of the historical record.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 02:33 pm:

I got an e-mail from an Alex and he says that it takes "about 20 minutes of fast paced walking" from the crime scene area or PH ,to get to what was then known as ,in the 60's, the Black Satanic Mansion on California St.As the late Anton Levay brought out, they would let people spend the night or longer at the Mansion from the 60's on.

We were speculating as to where Z could have gone that night(10/11/69) and as you recall ,I brought up the Black Mansion on California St.It could have been an option for Z that night as they would take people(including transients)in all hours of the day and night,provided they had room in the large residence ,which was never a problem or so I have read.

Sometimes food and drink was provided.Z could have feasted on a 'deviled' ham and cheese sand-'witch'and a 'cold'(better- hot one!) one while the SFPD was searching for Z!!

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb7a2a5.ipt.aol.com - on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 08:18 pm:

Mcgarrett: unfortunately, sarcasm etc is lost in this medium. I wasn't sure, and I'm glad you clarified that for me.

Howard: that's good to know. I've always thought that Z was local to Vallejo, so, if he didn't drive home from the City or have an apartment or something in SF, where did he go? Anton LaVey's digs would be a likely place then, especially with it's proximity to the crime scene. With Z's apparent interest in the occult, he would've loved hanging out there.

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-64-175-141-163.dialup.wnck11.pacbell.net - on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 11:11 pm:

Has anyone ever checked the S.F.city directory for any suspects living on Jackson st in 69? I found one with the name of Kane at 1818 Jackson in the early 70's. One suspect related to a driver at the A.P.in 69.Another coincidence Robert"Kane" was in charge of the 6th Army at the Presidio in 69. Darlenes ex husband was put in the stockade ,he was in the Army there in 65. Of all the suspects,he had a crewcut,and wore black horn rimed glasses.He also lived in S.F. at that time! He was living in Vallejo before that. He also had lived in Southern California in 66. One of his known guns was a 22. If he is the Z,then he would have to ware his diving weights at L.B.to throw the police off of the real killers size. The hood he wore made him look taller than he was. Darlene's ex is an artist,and would be very capable of putting the killers disguise together. I thought I would give you something else to think about.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc033fc.ipt.aol.com - on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:17 pm:

This evening at Lake Berryessa was once again a quiet and lonely one. It was cool tonight, unlike this day 33 years ago, and other than the park host in his trailer, there was no one else about. The lake level has dropped again, once again exposing the ridge that points toward Goat Island, and the remains of the brick house that once stood there, a short distance from the attack site, are visible once again. I thought it ironic that the homeowner chose to build there rather than what is now known as Zodiac Island, because, if so, he or she would not have had to move when the valley was flooded, and, in all likelihood, the stabbing of Hartnell and Shepard would not have taken place at all, at least not on that island.

Because of work, I did not head out to the lake until around 5:45, but had to stop for gas first. Traffic was a nightmare, so I gambled on taking another route to Monticello Road in order to bypass everything. It was around 5:55, and I never thought I'd get there by 6:30; I arrived at 6:33. Since the park closed at 7:00, I had only a short time there, and stopped at Shale Point first. Since the lake is so much lower now, Graysmith Island is a northern extension of Shale Point and no longer an island. I drove over to Twin Oak Ridge, and the parking lot was, as usual, completely deserted. When I struck out for the remains of the house, I spotted a collection of bricks along the promontory that someone had arranged to spell "USA." I hurried to the end of the ridge and took a picture of Goat Island, but it was getting too dark, so I went back to Zodiac Island and walked in the footsteps of the Zodiac, retracing his probable route along the spit, by the little bay and up towards the remaining oak tree. It was almost 7:00, so I headed back to the car and left the park. Despite the slow cars and red lights, it took me 37 minutes to drive the 27 miles back into Napa along Monticello Road to where the phone booth once stood, and I pulled into the parking lot across the street from Rosita's at 7:37, where the Napa Car Wash was located in 1969; the Zodiac, of course, had taken 70 minutes, or 33 minutes longer than I did. I found a parking spot right next to the Pfeiffer Building, which in 1969 was the Sam Kee Laundry; the phone booth the Zodiac made his call to Napa PD was located on the south side of the building, mere feet from my car.

I realized that, if his route back into Napa was along Monticello Road, then the Zodiac could very well have hidden himself on the ridge across the bay from Zodiac Island in order to admire his handiwork and watch his victims die. Because of the good 15-20 minute hike back up to his car parked on Knoxville Road and back down again, it's unlikely that he would have written on the car door first and then returned to the ridge to see what was happening, so he would have noted the time of the stabbing as 6:30, then immediately proceeded to the ridge to watch them die. After some 20 minutes, he would have had to hike back up to his car, write on Hartnell's car door, and then leave for Napa in order to place his phone call at 7:40. If this is in fact what happened, he very probably saw Ronald Fong and his son head for help, which might have prompted his hasty departure from the area.

Even 33 years later, it's hard to believe that so heinous a crime could have happened in such a lonely and deserted place. Let's hope that not too many more years pass before this monster is caught.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:01 pm:

Ed, I'm starting to think you're an even better suspect than Allen!

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc0af80.ipt.aol.com - on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 05:36 pm:

If I was 30 years older, I'd be tempted to turn myself in... but only if I could get a reward...

By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acc0c424.ipt.aol.com - on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:05 am:

Last Friday was the 33rd anniversary of the murder of Paul Stine. It was cool, but surprisingly busy in Presidio Heights that night. There were quite a few cars as well as pedestrians about the intersection of Washington and Cherry, and I ended up parking on Cherry and Jackson instead because there were so many cars. I had wondered if there was a party going on somewhere that night, but it's hard to say. There appeared to be something going on at the temple on the corner of Arguello and Lake just a few blocks away, so perhaps the cars were from that function.

Presidio Hill School is basically completed renovation (part of it was demolished last year), and as I walked east along Jackson from the corner of Cherry, I realized that Graysmith told us that Foukes and Zelms saw Z in three different locations: the corner of Jackson and Cherry heading north, a few doors east of there in front of 3769 Jackson, and the corner of Jackson and Maple heading north. So which was it???

I headed down to Julius Kahn playground, and was quite surprised to notice on the ground to the left of the gate through the wall at the end of Spruce and Pacific an almost complete Z symbol etched in the concrete. It was open at one end and looked more like a horseshoe than anything, but the cross through it really caught my attention. It looked quite old, so it's impossible to say how long it's been there. After about 45 minutes checking out the crime scene and environs, I headed home, but not before stopping by LHR. Compared to PH, it was very quiet and hardly any cars; but no matter where one is, it's still hard to believe that such crimes happened in those areas.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-pb-4550.linkline.com - on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:33 pm:

Good work as always.I wish you could have measured the street at Washington/Cherry.
As I took a better look at the Yellow cabs right side postion in photos near the curb, an associate pointed out that the rear portion is even farther away from the curb than I first thought!See my posts.On the left side Z was even closer to the teens line of vision.Every foot counts when it comes to vision!
When Zodiac stopped and turned to stare up at the teens he had to be close to mid street since he was on the left side of the cab according to my mapping.

By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acc0b39f.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 12:30 pm:

Last night was the 34th anniversary of the LHR murders, when Z started his campaign of terror here in the Bay Area. It was quite unlike other anniversaries (at least since 1993, when I first started this tradition) in that it was raining when I got there. It was cold and wet, and the site itself was muddy. Like 1968, this anniversary fell on a Friday, and despite the weather, there were a few cars out on LHR, probably people on their way home. As usual, it was quite lonely, but at least there were no cops that followed me (this happened twice in the 90's, probably because I was driving a white car at the time), nor was there anyone parked in a white car at the site at the exact time of the murders (that happened once a few years back, on one of the nights the cops followed me). There was nothing unusual to report last night, except that another year has passed and we seem no closer to a solution to these crimes than last year. With the broadcast of Primetime Live two months ago, let's hope that changes soon.

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - on Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 01:39 pm:

Ed, as long as you and the others keep up the pressure, there's hope. Thanks for keeping the memory of the victims alive. Best Holiday Wishes!

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 01:03 am:

Ed (a.k.a. the Human Sacrifice), good job!
Soon we must begin planning the 2003 task-force meeting.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (cache-ntc-af07.proxy.aol.com - on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 08:55 am:

Thanks for the update, Ed! I've never been there when it was raining; that would have seemed pretty ominous to me.

2003 TFM? I'm only coming if you promise to invite DK! LMFAO!!

I'll get back with y'all after the holidays. Best wishes to all.


By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 06:23 am:

DK can come only if he brings Michelle......

By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acc3ab4e.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 12:46 am:

Tonight is the 34th anniversary of BRS and the murder of Darlene Ferrin. It was cool out at BRS and LHR, not hot like it was that fateful night. Of course, BRS is closed at night these days, so I drove past and on to LHR since I arrived about 11:50. I pulled into the attack site for just a moment, and noted that someone had left an old armchair near the yellow traffic sign. I decided to continue on to Lopes Road by I-780 and turned around, and drove back past the attack site just as my watch beeped midnight; it was not quite like having a grandfather clock chime 12 times, but it was pretty odd nonetheless. The crescent moon was setting, and it was orange; had it been blood-red, it would have been more appropriate, but I guess there was not the right mix of smog and dust in the air. I drove back past BRS at 12:05 and continued on home, and saw the moon had turned a kind of brownish color before it disappeared completely; all I could think was that, in just a few more months, it will be 35 years since it all started. And how far have we really come since then?