Did the Zodiac have a mustache?


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By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 07:39 am:

Watching Dr. Hottie find the hair on the Zodiac stamp makes me wonder of Z had a mustache. It seems logical that it got there during the lingerephilatric act. The WB

By William Baker (Bill_Baker) (lsanca1-ar16-4-47-002-193.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net - 4.47.2.193) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:17 am:

Must say, that's the first time I've seen that word to describe stamp licking. You must be a cunning linguist. Back to the subject -- I'd venture to say that the SFPD criminalists would have been able to determine from what part of the body the hair originated. Whether it be facial hair (as in beard or mustache), eyebrow or nose hair, or even from the tongue if the person had a hangover (just kidding), this can be determined microscopically. Now whether they went to the trouble to do this is unknown. The fact that they did say that the hair lacked a root structure from which DNA material could be extracted, seems to indicate that microscopy was employed to some extent. If, as you suggest, it was from a beard or mustache, that raises an interesting point I hadn't heard before. Good observation.

By Roger Redding (Roger_Redding) (sdn-ap-008txhousp0214.dialsprint.net - 63.188.200.214) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:15 am:

Bill:

...You must be a cunning linguist...

Ha. I've just thought of another potential source of foreign DNA on the stamp.

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:01 am:

Bill -
I am honored that my first pitifull attempt at a thread elicits a response from the great detective. To celebrate, I will go on a drink rampage Fry that will last the whole weekend. I will cruse around and bum beers from all stray people or coupples that are alone then move on to drink some more until I have drunk a dozen beers.
Me - 6 pack (as of 12:45pm CST.) Rest of Board - 0

On an unrelated note, and violating the rules of the thread, didn't you bring up some excellent observations regarding the viability of hypnosis in this case? If so, I have an excellent court case where hypnosis in the 80's solved a 67 homicide. Court of Appeals set out the salient questioning. It is found at Zani v. State, 767 SW2d 825, if you are near a county law library. If not, I would be honored to fax it to you if you e-mail me with your fax number. Same to the other voyeurs on the board. - Zychronicity - The sketch produced under hypnosis looks like one of the Z composites. Again, thanks for the response.The WB.

By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acbfd47c.ipt.aol.com - 172.191.212.124) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:31 pm:

I suggested the beard/moustache idea two weeks ago in the ABC to feature the Zodiac case Thursday, Oct. 17 thread on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:17 am, but no one seems to have picked up on it. Oh, well, such is life...

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (5.philadelphia04rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.22.5) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 02:59 am:

The hair didn't look dense enough to have come from a beard.

By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-17-121.bos.east.verizon.net - 141.154.17.121) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 05:58 am:

Douglas: You mean thick enough? You could tell from the tv shot?

By William Baker (Bill_Baker) (lsanca1-ar16-4-47-002-193.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net - 4.47.2.193) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 06:55 am:

Ed, I apologize for not catching your earlier reference before I posted. There's nothing more frustrating than to provide insight and have it ignored.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (102.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.102) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:23 am:

Peter: yes, that was the impression I received. It look like a fine body hair; the kind of thing that would be floating around with the dust in the atmosphere. Maybe it was a hair from a eunuch's beard?

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 09:11 am:

Ed - Apologies to you for not noticing your post on the facial hair. Like the diligent researcher, I used Tom's word search, but typed in "mustache" wherein you used "moustache", which I also commonly use. Credit where credit is due. However, I did invent the internet. The WB

By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acadcc0a.ipt.aol.com - 172.173.204.10) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 10:36 pm:

Thanks, gentlemen, but no apologies are necessary. Sometimes, so much gets posted that things are easy to miss.

Warren: wow! And all this time I thought it was AlGore...

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-103-176.client.attbi.com - 12.233.103.176) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 01:20 pm:

Don't forget the missing couple at Riverside,the male had a beard. Darlene was with her first husband who had a beard at that time, lived very close to Riverside.Two of my suspects have mustache's or moustache's, what ever. The man in my picture if you look at the back of his head has red/brown hair,it shows in the picture. It is a well known fact that both of them loved the beach's,and dove for shells. I would like to find out who the man in Mexico was,who was a friend of her first husbands.The man who brought the gifts to Darlene from Mexico.The word Mexico came up a lot in the z case.If Tom is right and the man in my picture is not Kane,he thought he looked like a fat mexican maybe this is the one who brought her the gifts, and is connected to her death? At L.B. the killer said he wanted to go to mexico.

By TheBlackJet (Theblackjet) (cache-mtc-ak04.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.96.201) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 12:06 am:

Didn't Z say "I only look like that when I do my thing. Other times I look totally different." or words to that effect. A moustache can be easily grown and shaved, and can resonably hide your looks if you don't regularly wear one. Could that mean what Z meant?

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 12:09 am:

Roger:
"You must be a cunning linguist...Ha. I've just thought of another potential source of foreign DNA on the stamp."

TheBlackJet:
"A moustache can be easily grown and shaved, and can resonably hide your looks if you don't regularly wear one. Could that mean what Z meant?"

Hmmm...Allen was known for wearing a t-shirt that read "Free moustache rides". Could it be?

By William Baker (Bill_Baker) (lsanca1-ar16-4-47-001-079.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net - 4.47.1.79) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 12:42 am:

You know, it occurs to me that maybe the hair could have been from a mustache or a beard, not from Z's face, but from a glue-on disguise. SFPD has already said that the hair located beneath the stamp was lacking a root structure from which DNA material could be extracted, but I wonder if they have done further study to determine its source, whether human or otherwise, real or synthetic. I don't buy into the theory that it was deliberately planted there as a false "clew." And why would Z go to the trouble to grow/shave facial hair as a means of altering appearance, noticeable to friends and co-workers, when he could have easily obtained glue-ons from a novelty shop or theatrical supply house in SF?