What is Peter O's last name & why is he prominent?
Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: What is Peter O's last name & why is he prominent?
|By Anonymous (209-162-48-252.thegrid.net - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 03:07 am:|
This case facinates me, at the time of Z's first killings I was about 10, I lived in SF. My father was a SFPD inspector, not homicide, auto theft. I remember the composite drawing taped to the dash- board of his unmarked car. He was on call and brought the car home often. That drawing will be forever etched on my mind, spooky! Anyway, who is Peter O. & why won't you give his full name? How prominent is he? What business is he in? The photo of Peter O is too close to the drawing. It gave me shivers, to look at it. Tell us more!!!!
|By Anonymous (209-162-48-252.thegrid.net - 188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 03:21 am:|
Me again from above post. 1) Assuming Peter O is this new suspect, of course, Why do you list every other suspects full name, but him? 2) Can you get copies of the letters the new suspect wrote to the editor? 3)And, why does the Napa detective name the new suspect as the best yet?
|By Jake (Jake) (spider-th032.proxy.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 03:02 pm:|
"Anyway, who is Peter O. & why won't you give his full name?"
Peter O is not the new suspect. Peter O was developed a few years ago by a Web site operator who, like Tom, was smart enough to realize that he could be sued for libel if he named an innocent man as a multiple murderer. Given the frailty of the evidence against him, I think I would have made the same decision. You can read more about Peter O at http://www.glasscity.net/users/zychow/.
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."
|By Josephalan (Josephalan) (spider-tk072.proxy.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 04:40 pm:|
Hi, I just became a new user and I love this site. Thanks to Tom. Besides my questions about Gilbert & Sullivan (posted elsewhere in here), I've also been thinking about the Peter O suspect who was a navy/military guy apparently stationed in S.F. My question focuses on Mare Island, the Vallejo naval installation then in active operation. I wonder what Mr. O's access was to that base,what his comings and goings consisted of, if any, at the time, and was he registered as being on Mare Island at the time of the Vallejo killings? If you guys have already dealt with this, I apologize.
|By Jake (Jake) (spider-tk062.proxy.aol.com - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 06:47 pm:|
There evidence linking Peter O and the Zodiac case, which is to say glasses and a
crewcut, doesn't exactly inspire a lively discussion. I don't know anything about him
except for what's posted on the aforementioned site; I may be missing something, but as
long as the accuser withholds evidence against the accused, Peter O is just another guy
from southern California.
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."
|By The Giant (Bryan) (22.214.171.124) on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 10:36 am:|
There is a site at http://www.glasscity.net/users/zychow/
that points out similarities with Peter O and the composite drawing (SFPD). It pointed out that both left eyes had or appeared to be lazy eyes My question is did anyone really notice a lazy eye (the kids that saw PS get Murdered) or the Officers that saw him walking toward the Presidio? Or is it like the Composite from Vallejo with the mistake on the forehead that some lame people took for a scar?
|By Realtor (Realtor) (126.96.36.199) on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 10:46 am:|
Kathleen Johns said she saw scars. Pam H. and Sandy might possibly want to let us know if any of their suspects had any scars and describe them, if any.
Calling all scars. Calling all scars.
|By Ed N. (Edn) (spider-ntc-tb084.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Friday, January 26, 2001 - 09:43 pm:|
Giant: as I pointed out before, when the variables are factored in:
1) It was dark;
2) it was foggy;
3) the kids were 50 feet away;
4) they were under duress;
5) they observed Z for a very short time (in fact, he turned and looked directly at them for only a moment, then turned and walked away);
6) the streetlight washes out small facial details; and
7) Foukes and Zelms apparently had absolutely no input regarding the composite (ie, the artist didn't bother to consult with them),
the composite turns out to be, I think, more the artist's idea of what he thought Z was supposed to look like rather than what he actually did look like. In other words, given the circumstances outlined above, it is my opinion that it is impossible for anyone to have observed in only a few seconds whether Z had ptosis or not.
Peter O. happens to resemble the composite, and especially the apparent ptosis, but I think that it's nothing more than zynchronicity at this point. That doesn't mean, however, that he should be dismissed. It means that one small detail almost certainly didn't really exist.
|By The Giant (Bryan) (184.108.40.206) on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 01:01 pm:|
Thanks that's what I thought.
Or is it like the Composite from Vallejo with the mistake on the forehead that some lame people took for a scar?
The Scar On the Forehead on the VPD Composite was not a scar. A Mistake was made by the artist that did the composite, in fact I bet Tom has that somewhere on this board. Now you may want to know how I know. I was in the 7th grade and my 7th grade Math teacher looked real close to the SFPD and a few of us students called the Petaluma police and he was investagated. Because of the amount of calls received the math teacher had a copy of all composites and went through them with a fine tooth comb with all his students.
|By Legal Eagle (Legaleagle) (216-83-250-235.wan.networktel.net - 220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:55 am:|
Has anyone presented Peter O's picture to Hartnell or any other surviving witnesses?? It seems to me that this would be a logical step to seeing if Peter could possibly be considered a suspect.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc0f078.ipt.aol.com - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:56 am:|
What would be the point of showing any suspect's picture to Hartnell???
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (22.214.171.124.lcinet.net - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:56 pm:|
If PO was wearing a large hood,baggy pants and jacket,I am sure Harnell could ID him if he were the Z!He may not be certain of the height,weight or voice,but POs pix could turn the zide!
A little fun!
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (165.philadelphia04rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 188.8.131.52) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:37 am:|
I think the main reasons why Peter O. became a suspect are (1) he wore dark-rimmed glasses; and (2) he was in the Navy. Very suspicious, if you ask me.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 184.108.40.206) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:48 am:|
Don't forget the Presidio connection. (Although it was the Presidio in Monterey...)
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 220.127.116.11) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:49 am:|
Oh, and he smoked cigarettes.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc3782b.ipt.aol.com - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 01:52 am:|
Plus he has ptosis, just like the composite...
|By Legal Eagle (Legaleagle) (216-83-250-235.wan.networktel.net - 22.214.171.124) on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:52 am:|
Sorry folks! I said Hartnell, I actually meant Mageau. That's what comes from typing too carelessly. Should Bryan see Peter's photo, what are your opinions as to whether he would even attempt to ID him as Z. Hasn't he been a very reluctant witness throughout this whole ordeal???
|By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-19-52.bos.east.verizon.net - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:25 am:|
I just took another look at this thread, and have this thought. If the pursuers of
"Peter O" think they can avoid a libel action -- one that would stick -- by
withholding his last name -- or even changing his name -- they have been misinformed.
There is a principle in libel law known as "innuendo". That is, if the identity
of the libelee can be discerned from the published information so that someone who knows
him can conclude that the statement is made about that person, then the statement has been
made about that person just as if he were fully identified. IMNSHO, publication of
"Peter O."'s picture by itself would be sufficient. He can obviously be
identified from that, even if his name is not Peter.
Think about it: if someone published your picture in your home-town paper with the caption: This uNnamed Person is a Serial Killer", don't you think you should have a case?
|By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-67-116-224-229.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net - 188.8.131.52) on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:52 am:|
Makes one wonder why Kane has not? We know that someone claimimg to be Kane reads this site.If it was not "thee Kane" who made a threat to me on ths board,his friend from Las Vegas ( Who reads the board) must have let him know.His face after all is on the Ryan Olesin Z site.I asked Ryan if he has received any threats,not one.What I have said about Kane stalking me was more than an innuendo.
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:23 pm:|
The absence of litigation from ANY of the named suspects has always struck me as exceedingly weird. I get the impression that the living named suspects are either hiding something (Kane, for sure) or possessed of a very arch and unusual sense of humor (O'Hare).
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc23a5a.ipt.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:31 pm:|
One thing is for certain: all of the suspects cannot be Z. Only one, or none (unless one buys into the "Team Z" theory, in which case all bets are off). So that means that all of the suspects, Z or not, have some very interesting skeletons in their closets...
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (147.sanfrancisco-12rh16rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:30 pm:|
The problem with the "Team Z" theory (like that title, Ed) is that, as Paul
Castellano was wont to say, "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead." I
like the team theory a lot, it's sweet, but the Son Of Sam team wound up mostly dead meat,
and I don't see the bodies here.
Maybe they're just really well hidden.