Kaczynski made his own clothes


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: Kaczynski made his own clothes

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (42.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.42) on Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 03:34 pm:

An interesting interview of Ted Kaczynski by the Blackfoot Valley Dispatch (January 24, 2001) reveals that while living his secluded life in Montana, Ted Kaczynski made some of his own clothing. That's consistent with the discovery of sewing materials in his cabin, as presented in the list of items released by the FBI in 1996. The relevant link is http://www.smalltownpapers.com/images/BVD.gif/p09.gif. To the question "Were you self sufficient" Kaczynski replied, "...I bought most of my clothing, but I also made some."

Zodiac enthusiasts will immediately understand the relevance of this information to the case.

By Colette (Colette) (spider-tn024.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.207.54) on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 06:39 pm:

I wonder where Ted would get some wing walker shoes.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (22.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.22) on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 09:08 pm:

Probably the same place where he got the rest of his Army surplus.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy2-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.113) on Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 05:16 pm:

Wing Walker shoes are the same shoes that the US Air Force calls "safety chukkas" and the same shoes that the US Navy calls "boondockers". I still have my boondockers from 1981 and last weekend I saw two pairs from two different vendors at a swap meet. They are common now and they were common then.

By Colette (Colette) (spider-wi071.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.197.51) on Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 07:57 pm:

On that top 10 show, it said at the time those wing walkers were rare. Only 1000 in that size and style, so they probably weren`t surplus at that point.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy2-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.113) on Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 08:17 pm:

And didn't The Ultimate 10 show Zodiac with a shotgun?

By Kevin (Kevinrm) (cx206582-c.mesa1.az.home.com - 24.21.120.22) on Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 09:26 pm:

Those shoes are common for those who are or were "in the military". They have never been popular outside of it. I can honestly say that in the 17 years since my discharge from the Navy, I have yet to see anyone wearing any. I would notice it too. Doesn't mean someone "can't" or "didn't" get them, just that the odd's favor Z having received them while in the military.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (160.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.160) on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 01:01 am:

I believe the number of pairs of shoes manufactured under that contract was somewhat over 100,000. I doubt if any manufacturer would be given a contract for only 1,000 pairs. And I'm not too certain whether that particular sole was used only on the "Wing Walker." That's something that would be nice to know.

Colette, a good rule of thumb is to never believe anything you see or hear on television, especially as it relates to the Zodiac case.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-ta081.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.56) on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 01:04 am:

Good point, Douglas, and I believe they actually were available at surplus stores in 1969. A military groupie might have gone in for a new pair of boots, especially a type new for the military.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (aca8121d.ipt.aol.com - 172.168.18.29) on Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 01:25 am:

I believe the Lake Berryessa police report, which is located in the "Archive" section of Zodiackiller.com (and which I spent hours scanning and uploading for everybody), might shed some light on the availability on Wing Walkers at the time.

By Colette (Colette) (spider-mtc-td044.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.104.169) on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 09:00 pm:

In the late 60`s the army/navy surplus was the place to shop!! Thankyou all for bringing me back to reality. That top 10 show had those shoes as the biggest clue in the whole darn case. I should know better but thought the show was on to something new. I did read the Lake Berryessa police report when you first so generously posted it. It is very sad but informative.

By Scott White (Scott_White) (a010-0770.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.43.8) on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:36 pm:

The way that Kaczynski likes to leave false clues,it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out he wears size 9 shoes.

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 07:30 pm:

Douglas wrote:

An interesting interview of Ted Kaczynski by the Blackfoot Valley Dispatch (January 24, 2001)
http://www.smalltownpapers.com/images/BVD.gif/p09.


Perhaps I'm missing something but I don't see any reference to TK there. Perhaps the page has been replaced.

Zodiac enthusiasts will immediately understand the relevance of this information to the case.

I must not be quite a full fledged Z enthusiast (yet), but are you referring to something other than the "hood" which Z made for the Lake B. crime?

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (209.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.209) on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 03:07 am:

The reference is to the hood. The articles have been moved, but I've rendered them in PDF format and you can see them at http://home.att.net/~mignarda/interview.pdf. It's a big file (over 1MB) so be patient.

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1065.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.49) on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 02:15 pm:

Quoting the Kaczynski article: "The rabbit is clipped through the head. Such a shot ordinarily kills the rabbit instantly, but the animals hind legs usually kick voilently*** so that it bounces around in the snow (AROUND IN THE SNOW). When the rabbit stops kicking I walk up to see that it's quite dead."

Zodiac-" he(Mageau)was thrashing out very violently with his legs." "I drove away quite slowly". "Pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out".
"Peek through the pines" and "around in the snow" fit in with Kaczynskis rabbit hunting techniques. The March 22nd postcard is all about nature anyway, Sierra Club etc. They say a killer only stops his activity when he is removed from society somehow- jail, death. I believe Kaczynski is Zodiac and he removed himself from society and the 32271 postcard was his pro-nature Zodiac goodbye. Of course it(murder with publicity seeking compulsion) didn't last and Kaczynski went on to form Freedom Club, which makes the etching of "Sierra Club" on that postcard all the more interesting.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (31.philadelphia05rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.25.31) on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 03:36 pm:

Interesting analogies, Zander--I'm surprised I never caught them. Some other factoids relating to the March 22nd postcard:

Kaczynski joined the Sierra Club at some point between 1967 and 1969.

The Pines card was mailed during a period of time (winter/spring 1971) when Ted had gotten into his car, left his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, and headed for the Western U.S. He turned up at his brother's apartment in Great Falls, Montana, after a disappearance of about 2-3 weeks, with his plans for returning to the wilderness already made.

The Sierra Club is a back-to-nature movement. Kaczynski's purpose for going to Montana in the winter/spring of 1971 was to get back to nature.

The state tree of Montana is the Ponderosa Pine.

And of course, Ted's Montana neighbor, Chris Waits, remarked how Kaczynski would kill his rabbits by "spotlighting" them.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-ntc-ta064.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.49) on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 05:15 pm:

Good time to check the Archive on the Pines card!

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1029.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.13) on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 07:30 am:

Look at it this way. How many people never say or write those 4 words in a row (Around in the snow). Probably a fair percentage. Imagine a shrink asks a patient to associate images to the phrase "around in the snow". Most people would have pleasant thoughts like playing in the snow and making a snowman etc. Kaczynski has that phrase associated with an animal suffering and twitching till death. You can imagine the blood against snow is tough to watch too. So that matches the ominous intentions of the postcard.

The use of the word bounce is interesting too. How many people never or rarely use the word bounce refering to a person or animal. Once again, probably a fair percentage. I believe here, Kaczynski has actually used the word "bounce" incorrectly or indirectly. He appears to have used it only because he is talking about a rabbit. A rabbit hops, so I would say he was led to use "bounce" subconciously (sic?), if you will. It shows Kaczynski uses "bounce" as an alternate to "hop" which is just what Zodiac has done with "picking off the kiddies as they come bouncing out". Of course kids hop that last step off the bus, if not the whole way down. Sorry, it's a little off Kaczynski making clothes, but it's about him anyway. And thanks Doug for presenting the article. It's been up for a couple of months now and I still have to finish reading it.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (2.philadelphia-18-19rs.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.7.2) on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 08:24 am:

Zander, that's yet another good one, and once again, I didn't catch it (bounce). Sometimes I think my head is so full of this stuff that I can't see the forest for the trees.

No doubt people will say that the use of such a term isn't confined exclusively to Zodiac or Kaczynski. No doubt, they're right. But we're not applying it to the public at large--we're applying it to a select, and very minuscule set of individuals who have the same psychological makeup, moved around in the same locations at certain times, and committed dire crimes with the same motivations and signature. Even within the set of individuals constrained only by the stylistic similarities (http://home.att.net/~mignarda/style.html) the resultant group is going to be very small.

Incidentally, another such stylstic similarity, and one that goes back to the use of British terminology is the use of the word "spoil" where an American would be apt to say "ruin." Zodiac says, "thus spoiling my aim." Kaczynski writes, "spoil the game" in the Manifesto and "spoiled a hike for me" in a FBI-documented journal entry.