New Kane Thread - "My name is...." cipher solution????
Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: New Kane Thread - "My name is...." cipher solution????
|By Sharkey (Sharkey) (1cust185.tnt5.topeka.ks.da.uu.net - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 04:49 pm:|
I am new to the board, please forgive any transgressions or errors. I have tried to read as many posts as possible to avoid redundancy or errors. That being said, I was wondering if anyone happened to know Lawrence Kanes middle name? I started playing around with the "My name is..." cipher, just to see what I could come up with. I tried plugging Arthur Allen in, as he is my best candidate for Zodiac to date, and couldn't do it in a convincing manner. So I decided to play around w/ the other suspects names to see what I could get. Here is how I did it. Tell me what you think. Z=the zodiac symbol and 8= the infinity symbol V=the down arrow. The "my name" cipher has 13 characters. "AENZ8K8M8VNAM" Here is the frequency of their apperance. Z=1,8=3,A=2,e=1,n=2,k=1,m=2,V=1. I started looking at whose name could fit in that solution. Kanes name may fit, depending on his middle initial. Here is my solution. Z=L,8=E,A=A,E=W,N=2,K=C,M=R,V=K. If you do that, it spells out "awnLecereKnar" You can rearrange that to spell out LawrenceRKane! Several other letters can be substituted for the R and the solution will still work. There are other several interesting points, but I will save them for a later post. So, tell me what you think? Solved? Maybe, lol. If anyone knows Kanes middle name, please post it.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-ta051.proxy.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 11:25 pm:|
Sharkey: I had recently posted something regarding Kane and the "my name is" cipher, but can't seem to locate it. I'll have to go over my notes again and repost it, but suffice it to say that Kane may have used the middle initial "V." I don't know what it stands for though.
|By Mike (Mike) (spider-te054.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 07:02 am:|
It seems incredible to me that Zodiac would compose a difficult-to-solve 408 symbol cipher and indicate in it that he "will not tell you" his name, and then several months later throw a hanging curveball (Well, baseball season just started!) like the "My name is" cipher, in which he just "gives away the store" in plaintext and essentially unscrambled. This just doesn't make intuitive sense, does it?
Zodiac would have made it a bit tougher on us than that, IMHO.
|By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - 188.8.131.52) on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 08:18 am:|
Mike check your mail. And read the new post on Sandy's supects.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-tb023.proxy.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, April 15, 2001 - 11:54 pm:|
Sharkey: here's what I discovered concerning Kane versus the "my name is"
cipher (assuming that the man I discovered living a few blocks away from Mason and Geary
in the late 1960's was in fact Kane using an alias):
In the cipher, there are three circled Taurus symbols, two each of the letters, A, M and N, and one each of E, K, the Zodiac symbol, and the upside down Aries symbol.
In the assumed alias "Laurence V. Cave," we have three letter E's, two each of A, C and V, and one each of L, N, R and U.
When we compare the quantities of each symbol versus letter, we see that they match perfectly. This, however, does not prove that Larry Kane is Z, all it shows is that this apparent alias happens to match, that's all. Unless we know the values of each symbol, there is no way to prove anything, especially since there are many other names that might fit that cipher.
|By Sharkey (Sharkey) (1cust202.tnt6.topeka.ks.da.uu.net - 220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 10:38 am:|
I agree Mike, I think that there would be more of a twist as well. I just think it is rather odd and at least worth a mention, if for nothing else than promote discussion. There are several facts that I have learned from this board that add to the mystery. I don't know how accurate they are. Supposedly Lawrence drove a car with 888 in the plate number. He was born in 1924,(8+8+8), and was a Taurus. Lawrence and Kane break naturally in the cipher, though scrambled, and KANE is plainly visible in the code, yet can be spelled out later. I also learned that he was challenged by some "Expert" in one of the papers to really give his name and that if he did, he would be caught. Maybe he responded to the challenge, maybe his ego couldn't handle the insult. Plus, I am working backwards. I have a name and am plugging it into the code. This cipher would be impossible (to find a name) if you worked it forward. The FBI results were Alan Flanagan, etc. His was the only name I could fit into it of all the suspects listed on this site. P.S. I tried just about everything w/ Arthur Allen Leigh, (who I am leaning towards) and couldn't do it.
|By Sharkey (Sharkey) (1cust202.tnt6.topeka.ks.da.uu.net - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 11:06 am:|
Ed, your match would prob. be a lot closer to the solution than mine. I agree with Mike that he wouldn't give his name outright, even if he was goaded on by an expert to do it. I could see him giving an alias or even a nickname. I also agree w/ some on this board that it could finish the sentence. Like "My name is...still unknown" etc. Here are my thoughts on this cipher. I really believe Zodiac wanted this cipher, in particular, to be solved. It is set up a bit different than his other ciphers. I do believe, however, that the solution and key to solving it is the simple 3,2,2,2,1,1,1 solution that I gave regardless of wether it is his real name, alias, or simply an end to the sentence. I am currently trying to figure out some "end of the sentence" type solutions that will fit. Here are my current attempts, maybe it will help spark a thought in someone elses mind. NONE of these FIT the solution code, but here are some of the words and phrases I have tried and am trying. "StillaSecret, AlittleSecret, StillMySecret, StillUnsolved, SlaveKiller, SlaveCollector, Notcrackproof" THe only thing I have, at this point is "Soulcollecter" with the "e" misspelling. Just to give you some ideas and get the ball rolling. I encourage everyone to pick up a pen and try out your ideas. I think this cipher is very solvable. You really can't just "plug anything in there". It is difficult and selective enough to have a real and unique answer. Plus, when the DNA testing comes back and proves Allen did it (maybe,lol), this cipher and the 340 symbol cipher will be one of the few mysteries left in this case. BTW Ed, good work. Who knows, you may be on to something.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-mtc-tj042.proxy.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 05:00 pm:|
Thanks, Sharkey. The thing with my "solution" is that it assumes the cipher is substitution-transposition, which it might or might not be. Either way, quantity for quantity, "Laurence V. Cave" matches the cipher, but matching a name to a cipher rather than extracting a name from a cipher hardly proves anything. But I threw that out there anyway, because it is an interesting piece of circumstantial evidence.
|By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-tr084.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 07:50 am:|
One more thing about Kane--think about it-- Kathleen Johns spent much more time looking at the Z than any other victim/witness, and she was in the confines of a car. And she chose him as the man.
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-wf052.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 02:35 pm:|
I agree that Kathleen Johns spent the most time with Z. However, if Z was in disguise, which I would say is probable, how would she have been able to choose ANY suspect out of a line up of photographs?
Think about it: If you or me were attacked and later shown a series of photographs of possible suspects, would our inclination be to point out someone in the line up because we are under the ASSUMPTION that said suspect is actually in the line up, or would we say, "From the photos placed in front of me, I have no choice but to say that the person who attacked me in not in any of the pictures."
I have the deepest respect for KJ, and I'm not trying to undermine her testimony, I'm simply saying that, when given a specific set of photographs, the victim's natural inclination is to point to SOMEBODY, even if the actual attacker is not present in the photographs.
Just a thought.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (ac9ee9cc.ipt.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 04:00 pm:|
There really is no evidence Johns was a Zodiac victim.
|By Esau (Esau) (proxy2-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, April 18, 2001 - 05:51 pm:|
Good point Tom. I also remember reading the police report and if I remember correctly, there was no mention of any threats to Johns or her baby. I think it just said Johns was scared because she spent alot of time in the car and she thought the man might try to make a pass at her and that he didn't say much.
|By Clark Kent (Clark) (slip-32-102-191-153.ca.us.prserv.net - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, April 19, 2001 - 01:17 am:|
Take a good look at the characters described alternately as "8"s or Taurus
signs. That third one looks quite different to me. I wonder if its a sloppy sun sign or
perhaps an "x" inside a circle.
I'm looking over the cipher now with the idea that the first three letters are "The" and the cross+circle stands for "Zodiac".