Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: David Magris
|By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:00 pm:|
San Francisco Examiner
3 Teen Girls Held in Solano Slaying
Vallejo - A gas station man was kidnapped and slain
and another critically wounded today in a hour-long
spree of crimes that set off an all-out police
With Vallejo Police Chief Jack Stiltz directing
personally the pre-dawn hunt, police seized four
suspects in a car and then arrested three others in
a residence. Among the seven are three teenage girls.
Investigators believe the same group was
involved in both gas station holdups.
At 2 a.m. Steve Tompkins was robbed at his
station at Springs Road and Tennessee Street, just
off Interstate 80. Then, he was forced into the car, taken out on Blue Rock Springs Road three miles northeast of Vallejo, shot five times with a rifle and his body dumped.
An hour later, Dennis Tapp, 27, was held up at
his gas station on the Sears Point Road. He was shot
three times but managed to drag himself to a phone
and call police. Tapp gave a description of the assailants' car and the gunman before being taken to Kaiser Hospital.
San Francisco Chronicle
Rifle Slaying at Vallejo -- Three Held
A Vallejo service station attendant was abducted
and shot to death and a second was critically wounded
in a pair of robberies early yesterday. Police later charged three young men with committing the crimes. Five others, including three teen-aged girls, were questioned and released pending further investigation.
The slain man was Steve Tompkins, 25, an
attendant at a Standard Oil Company station at Springs
road and Tennessee street, just off Interstate 80.
Police said three youths robbed Tompkins at
1:15 a.m., then forced him into their car at gunpoint.
He was driven three miles into the country and
killed by five shots from an M-1 rifle.
After leaving Tompkins dead in a roadside ditch,
according to police, the same young men drove back
into Vallejo, where they robbed and shot Dennis Tapp,
27, an attendant at a Texaco station at the
intersection of Highways 29 and 37.
Tapp was shot twice. Yet he was able to get to
a phone and give police a description of his
assailants and the holdup car. A few minutes later officers stopped a car with four teen-aged boys and recovered an M-1 rifle.
The three young men charged with the robberies
and shootings were arrested later at a Vallejo home.
They are David Louis Magris, 21, Matthew F. Donohue,
20, and his 18-year-old brother, Robert S. Donohue.
All three are white.
Police Lieutenat Raymond L. Allbritton said the
amount taken in each of the robberies was "minimal -
under $100." Allbritton said Tapp suffered a superficial shoulder wound and another wound in the stomach. He was taken to Kaiser Hospital in Vallejo.
|By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 220.127.116.11) on Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:01 pm:|
I'm not saying I believe Magris (or anyone else in the gang) was the Zodiac; rather, I
think it's possible they might have been responsible for the Lake Herman Road killings.
Or maybe not.
What's so troubling is how many violent criminals were living in that small town...
|By John Prisk (Prisk29) (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 12:50 am:|
Hypotheticaly speaking, If they were involved in the lake herman road killing, what would be the motivation? The gas stations were robberies; but Faraday & Jensen were not robbed(to the best of my knowlege). Is there another supposed motive? Perhaps they wanted to kill the kids and used the gas stations as a diversion. Any ideas?
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tc054.proxy.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:43 am:|
I'll bet Lake Herman Road has seen its share of violence and other oddities over the
years. Hell, I've only been to the Jensen/Farraday site 3 times, and on the third we (Tom,
Ed, John, Marcus, and myself) had an odd encounter with a group of teens that were
allowing their hormones to show. Remember that one fellas?
If Zodiac had merely taken credit for LHR without actually providing additional details to authenticate it, I think a good argument could be made that LHR could possibly be another Kathleen Johns or Cheri Jo Bates incident; a crime that could be argued either way.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:28 am:|
John, what the gang did was excessive, not a symptom of a robbery.
Scott, Lake Herman Road is a very bizarre place indeed.
|By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-18-223.bos.east.verizon.net - 188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:35 am:|
"I think it's possible they might have been responsible for the Lake Herman Road killings."
Very interestng comment, Tom. I take this to mean that you do not consider the LHR information in Z's letters to be unique inside information that only the killer could have had.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:51 am:|
Peter, I'd need the complete newspaper archive of stories to be sure. However, the fact is Zodiac neither made a phone call after the LHR killings or sent a letter for over six months. That's plenty of time to research.
|By Mike_D (Mike_D) (220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:29 pm:|
Hey Tom didn't Lee Allen work at a gas station or garage for a while?Maybe after reading about these killings by teens he felt compelled to go on an offensive of his own against young people.Maybe he agreed w/General Patton"a good offence is the best defence."
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:50 pm:|
A white four-door 1960 Impala hardtop sedan was seen parked next to Jensen/Faraday
just a short time before they were shot.The time was about 11:10 PM.Borges saw the couple
lying on the road near this same time period.
This car was seen as early as 9:00 PM near the pumping station.Due to the times the Impala was seen and its very close proximity to the Faraday wagon,it would appear it was the perps car(whom I believe to be Zodiac).
My question is :what kind of car/s did the 'gang' drive as the article mentions their 'getaway car'?It would be a point of interest.Did any of them drive a'60 white Impala?
There was no known Zodiac call after the S.F. attack either and no known letter(I am aware of the Ghia inscription) sent after LB.If a letter was sent and lost then Z could have issued another.He was "happy" to supply more details of the LHR/BRS attacks in a second letter,so why not write another?
I think Z was, as he says, "starting his collection of slaves"(in N.CA)and the calls/letters were later additions to gain publicity.
Perhaps,after LHR,Z reflected on his past observation of the Bates crime(whether he committed the actual murder-I think he did- or not,Morrell did affirm the three '67 notes/desk poem were Zs writing and detectives were of the opinion Z was in the area at the time)and recalled the tremendous stir and publicity the Confession letter generated and decided to go for the letter- phone call to the PD in the BRS attack.
Z did refer to the LHR 12/20/68 -with crime scene details -and incorporated it consistently in his kill counts later(this date was on the LB cardoor as we know).
A side note on RS- RSPD did publically state they received some "crank calls" of which anyone of them could have been the perp (or in my view the young Zodiac).Z,as we know,wasn't always perfectly consistent in his crimes,etc.;so it is no reason to reject a crime as a Z unless it fits perfectly with his other attacks,etc.
One could say Z was 'inspired' by LHR which one could say was done by an unknown perp/s and then attacked a young couple later.On it goes.I will stick with the old scenario.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:03 pm:|
Also,I think,as I posted in the past,that Faradays head contact wound is a Z trait on
his male victims.
Faraday was shot in the head.Zodiac wrote that he was attempting to shoot Mageau in the head,but he was prevented in doing this because of Ms erratic bodily movements,"thus spoiling my aim."And we all know where Z shot Stine!
I think the PLACEMENT of Zs shot to the head of his male victims connects LHR/BRS and PH.At least one of the important links.This execution style hit is of interest.Did he read about it hitman books in the 60s which mention this method of weapon positioning for close range attacks?
Do we have info showing this hit preference in any one or more of that gang?
|By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-17-231.bos.east.verizon.net - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 09:16 am:|
To be completely sure, you would also need to be sure that no police info was leaked privately during that period. Assuming Vallejo has a grapevine like any other town, that doesn't seem likely, much less certain. Especially since as you note there was no Z until after BRS, there was little or no urgency in keeping inside info inside. Other possibility is that Z himself was inside.
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tb034.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:12 am:|
Do me a favor, okay? Quit hassling Tom and jump into the current threads under ciphers. I'd absolutely love your input over there and Tom can do without the browbeating. What do you say?
|By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-18-186.bos.east.verizon.net - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 12:07 pm:|
This is hassling? Tom, do you feel browbeaten? I guess I was being too subtle. My intention was to reinforce Tom's notion that the Z letter info may not nail LHR as a Z crime, and his astute observation that six months of silence is plenty of time for research, i.e. that the info in Z's letter could have circulated any nymber of ways in that timne, and that it is very possible that LHR was done by someone else, and only served as an inspiration for later ones.
Tom: tell me you feel affirmed.
Scott. I'll see you (briefly) under ciphers.