My suspect Bob


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: My suspect Bob

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust195.tnt1.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.202.28.195) on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:05 am:

From: inspectors maloney and carroll
> > To:
> > Date: 9/5/2002 4:39:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: your letter: Let me put it this way. Bob is not the Zodiac. -mm
Michael Maloney would not give me any specifics as to why Bob was eliminated as a suspect but both men seemed sure Bob was not the Zodiac. I do not know if Bob was elimated on fingerprint evidence or what. So my quest seems stymied and I plan to drop any further suspicions of Bob since at this point in time it appears useless to pursue this any further.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (12.81.120.65) on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:34 am:

Is this the same "Bob" who killed Laura Palmer?

You could be right.

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust178.tnt1.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.202.28.178) on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:29 am:

I have no idea who Laura Palmer is.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc04ad1.ipt.aol.com - 172.192.74.209) on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:12 am:

Wasn't there a movie about Bob? Bill Murray in What About Bob? Do I have the right Bob??

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:38 am:

Daijove, since you haven't posted any information about this suspect and nobody knows why he could be the Zodiac, why should anyone care about that e-mail?
And why did you originally start this thread in the Letters topic? I had to move it this morning.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbf71ab.ipt.aol.com - 172.191.113.171) on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:40 pm:

Robert "Bob" Hall Starr???

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (12.81.120.16) on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:55 pm:

"Through the dark
Of futures past
The Magician longs to see
One way out
Between two worlds:
FIRE WALK WITH ME

"I'll catch you with my Death Bag
You may think I've gone insane
But I promise you:
I WILL KILL AGAIN"

--TWIN PEAKS

Ya gotta love Mark Frost.

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust239.tnt2.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.203.82.239) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:31 pm:

Ode to Zodiac
Come taste my dreams
then if you can
into some darkened mirror scan
then just beyond the mirrors view
discern my dream are dreamed by you
then with a twist of Lethe's fate
go wash your hands
my hands too late
for it is then that you should care
if demons dark or devils fair
should trouble breast as dark as mine
for what I cry you too shall PINE
Come Talisman, Tarot, Siva Dance
Come Fair Medusa's Staring trance
Come stay all Mirrors that decree
Some likened mind to Tapestry
All truths are lies in sad disguise
when viewed behind another eyes
so it is well to take no ease
and dream but little what you please
Call forth your demons ,devils dark
put little faith in dawn's cold spark
for it is on that bitter eve
one strand of web left to retrieve
to snare one grand plan ill kept
the shroud in which the dark one slept

and with this I bid farewell to all~daijove

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:34 pm:

Congratulations Daijove, you've succeeded in making Gareth Penn seem normal.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc2aed1.ipt.aol.com - 172.194.174.209) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:39 pm:

I take this little ditty to mean that Daijove is going the way of Eduard and other such notable luminaries and leaving us???

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:44 pm:

I think he left us a long time ago.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (245.sanfrancisco-12rh15rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 12.81.118.245) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:28 pm:

He's been posting from Twin Peaks, I tell you. Probably snapped when the mill burnt down and he lost his job.

Or maybe the owls got to him.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc3517e.ipt.aol.com - 172.195.81.126) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:32 pm:

Which ones??? Not the spotted owls???

By John Prisk (Prisk29) (dsc04.lbv-ca-5.rasserver.net - 199.182.115.40) on Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:34 pm:

Lets hope it is not a statement about a different kind of "departure"....

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (30.sanfrancisco-12rh16rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 12.81.119.30) on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 06:16 pm:

And another one rides the Bus...

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust24.tnt1.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.202.28.24) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:26 am:

I have your letter. Thank you very much. I understand your thoughts that
you may be wasting your time in this case, but I appreciate the information
and will add it to the case file.

As you may already know, the investigation is proceeding and there are
prioritized suspects in this case, which are not your suspect. We are
focusing on DNA and other elements of the case. However, I will keep your
suspect in mind should the lead suspect prove to be false leads.

Thanks again for cooperating and putting your thoughts about your
suspect in such a concise format.
___________________________________________________________________
inspector michael maloney san francisco police
zodiacpolice@mindspring.com homicide detail

By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p50-83.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 159.134.50.83) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:29 am:

"Focusing on DNA". Are these the samples that don't exist,or did Dianne not check with the lead investigators?

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (cache-mtc-ak04.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.96.201) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:55 am:

Perhaps Dianne is getting wrong information. Wouldn't be the first time.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc32bcc.ipt.aol.com - 172.195.43.204) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:17 pm:

Uhh, Sylvie, when was the last time??? Please elucidate...

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.189.171) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:21 pm:

There is often lousy cooperation between agencies,
plus there is a whole lot of BS that goes around.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc09a98.ipt.aol.com - 172.192.154.152) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:49 pm:

Does that mean there really is no DNA and that Bob is the prime suspect???

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (12.81.120.187) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 05:51 pm:

Is this "Dianne" the one that Agent Cooper kept talking to via his little tape recorder? Where are we going with this? Is this headed toward the long-awaited sequel?

They could still call it TWIN PEAKS; in this case, Tamalpais & Diablo.

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust66.tnt2.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.203.82.66) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:24 pm:

You can call me collect if you like. Best to reach me in the early am:
415.553.xxxx. Just identify youself , tnx,

inspector maloney

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (cache-mtc-ak04.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.96.201) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:10 pm:

No of course that does not mean that "Bob" is the prime suspect, Maloney never said that, just that there is some DNA. It just seems that you guys are so adamant that the word of one woman is 100% certain and correct, end of story. That is naive, I think.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:21 pm:

Sylvie, I thought we didn't taken women seriously...remember?

Besides, even discounting Dianne's educated opinion, I've listed many reasons to not be holding your breath.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-ta052.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.42) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:01 pm:

"You can call me collect if you like. Best to reach me in the early am:
415.553.xxxx. Just identify youself [sic], tnx,

inspector maloney"

"You can beat this guy until he tells you that he started the San Francisco fire, that doesn't necessarily make it f*cking so! Come on man, think!"

Next time, when (if) using a direct quote, please put the words in parentheses. I still can't tell if you are full of crap or not. Speaking of crap, are you really saying that SFPD has decided to finally get off the commode? If so, it's about friggin' time.

"It just seems that you guys are so adamant that the word of one woman is 100% certain and correct, end of story. That is naive, I think."

Hmm. I'm taking the word of a woman who went out of her way to show up at the ZTFM last Fourth of July to talk to us in person compared to someone who is [maybe] telling the truth via the Internet and your calling me naive? That's Sylvie logic at its finest folks.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (12.81.121.130) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:34 pm:

Most feminists aren't worth dropping your trousers for, Scott. And you may quote me on that.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbfbf59.ipt.aol.com - 172.191.191.89) on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:54 pm:

They'd have to drop theirs first, Alan...

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tb082.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.187) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:53 am:

Tom wrote, "Besides, even discounting Dianne's educated opinion, I've listed many reasons to not be holding your breath."

Educated opinion? As you are aware, Tom ol' pal, there are only two DNA experts that work for the CA DOJ, and she's one of them. Her opinion, at minimum, stems from her professional point of view and working environment. I seriously doubt that her educated opinion has anything to do with it. I felt the need to point that out. Thanks. Nevertheless, you are right about the numerous other reasons you mentioned.

BTW, just to clear the air, it's not as if Dianne and I are in regular contact with each other. A lot may have changed in the two months since we've spoken. I honestly have no idea. If SFPD really does have DNA samples and really are moving forward with them then hey, that's terrific. After all, it's not as if I would be opposed to such a series of events if in fact they were true, I just don't feel any need to "stop the presses" as it were. As Tom clearly illustrated, most of us have seen examples of this before. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it, and I'll have no problems with it whatsoever because I'm very confidant that the results will lead to Allen . . . I mean, the Zodiac.

Enough said.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tb082.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.187) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:51 am:

Ed, you wrote, "They'd have to drop theirs first, Alan..."

Ain't that the truth?! Also very funny if you're familiar with Ed's wit. Thanks man!

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (cache-dr05.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.209.169) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:48 am:

When in doubt use good ol boy's club trash talk.
Are we trying to get somewhere on Zodiac or is this just a frat house?
(From what I've seen, I do not think there is too much dropping going on.)

By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p51-194.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 159.134.51.194) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:38 am:

Sylvie,
Both Ray and Daijove are being honest here.
So its a question of whether you believe S.F.P.D or Dianne.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.189.171) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 01:15 pm:

Exactly. Walter and Ray are taking the high ground, but someone should tell a certain few that frat boy gutter humour just makes them lose all credibility. Let's keep this to the possible existence of DNA.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (154.sanfrancisco-12rh16rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 12.81.119.154) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:31 pm:

DNA definitely exists, Sylvie. The question is, did Z leave any around?

And, as I once said to Gloria Steinem (just before my associate Claude LeBedarian horked all over her Manolo Blahniks), "If ya can't take it, don't dish it out."

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (cache-dr05.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.209.169) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

Very cute, Alan.
I admire Gloria a good deal btw, we have alot in common, give or take 30 yrs. I also really advise everyone on this Board to read the recent best seller "Stupid White Men". Not that all male caucasoids are so bad, mind you, but they have gotten away with way too much for way too long.
Lapumo, I am inclined believe the SFPD.
I have a few sources moi-meme. Nothing like Tom, of course, just a dolop here and there.

By Kevin (Kevinrm) (ip68-98-108-6.ph.ph.cox.net - 68.98.108.6) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:11 pm:

Sylvie: "Let's keep this to the possible existence of DNA."

Sylvie's next message: "I admire Gloria a good deal btw, we have alot in common, give or take 30 yrs. I also really advise everyone on this Board to read the recent best seller "Stupid White Men". Not that all male caucasoids are so bad, mind you, but they have gotten away with way too much for way too long."

Sylvie, I could see you had a good point to make in there somewhere, but you ruined it by pushing your biases. That you would read and buy into this type of book does not surprise me in the least, but could you go back to your earlier message and stick to the DNA stuff? We can't help it if you are mad.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:19 pm:

Good idea, Kevin. Actually, this entire thread is turning into a mess. I might have to do some serious editing pretty soon...

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (57.sanfrancisco-12rh16rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 12.81.119.57) on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:34 am:

I figured you were keeping it around for comic relief.

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust212.tnt2.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.203.82.212) on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:40 pm:

Apparently we are in disagreement about the state of the evidence, the
reliability of fingerprint evidence, and a lot more. I'm not certain about
your forensic and investigative qualifications, but my partner and I have 54
years of combined experience to analyze these issues. I appreciate your
position however.
We have a lot of calls to test citizen suspects such as yours. We cannot
possibly test all such submissions based solely on the certainty of people
such as yourself. Your submission consists mainly of your insistence that
you have a viable suspect because of coincidence. However, the foundation
for such belief does not meet our criteria therefore we cannot proceed
further. This situation reminds me of a lay person second guessing a doctor
who has made a diagnosis. While it's true that doctors make many mistakes,
there are more appropriate methods for acquiring a second opinion than
dogged insistence that the doctor isn't doing his or her job well.
As a sworn peace officer in this state, I have rules such as the U.S.
Constitution and a host of subsequent laws I must consider, plus my own
analysis to consider. Quite frankly, I trust my knowledge of this case, my
experience as a detective and my peers. In your case I also requested a second opinion from my
partner. He concurs with me.
We have decided not to proceed with your request, however, since you do
have a different opinion, and feel strongly about it, you're welcome to do
your own private analysis in this matter. Your are free of course to contact
private DNA labs, private investigators and the like in pursuit of your goal. I
wish you the best of luck in following your convictions.
___________________________________________________________________
inspector michael maloney san francisco police
zodiacpolice@mindspring.com homicide detail

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (12.81.120.163) on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:00 pm:

That's called "Goodbye, and don't forget to take your meds."

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust31.tnt1.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.202.28.31) on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:50 pm:

Well, I guess it's just another viagra sunrise~eagles

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbeca5a.ipt.aol.com - 172.190.202.90) on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:52 pm:

Sylvie wrote:

Let's keep this to the possible existence of DNA.

I agree wholeheartedly (there are other threads for this, BTW), but what about Bob??? She also wrote:

I also really advise everyone on this Board to read the recent best seller "Stupid White Men".

Hmm.. if a guy were to write a book entitled "Stupid White Women," I bet he'd be blackballed and labelled as sexist, chauvinistic, etc, etc, etc... fortunately, Dr. Laura wrote that book under the title, "Ten Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives."

Meanwhile, back to Bob and DNA...

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbeca5a.ipt.aol.com - 172.190.202.90) on Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:54 pm:

After reading Maloney's e-mail to Daijove, it's no wonder they weren't impressed with "Citizen Q"...

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust51.tnt1.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.202.28.51) on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 06:14 pm:

Great now I can quit worrying about him but your message puzzles me when you said "let me put it this way Bob is not the Zodiac" in your first mesaage to me. Then you e-mail me and say we will not even consider Bob as a suspect as your letter to us is not based on certain types of evidence. You seem to be sure that Bob is not the Zodiac. Your assumption has to be based on evidence and prior knowledge of Bob. If your assumption is based on prior knowledge then you must have known that Bob was a suspect at one time and have excluded him on the basis of the evidence you have in the Zodiac case. If this is so I am pleased. If you excluded him on the basis on just fingerprint evidence alone then I am not satisfied since i feel he did not leave any fingerprints at the Paul Stine murder scene. I do feel Zodiac hailed Paul over from the other side of the street and perhaps leaned against the drivers side because he wanted to make sure he got in the back seat. When Zodiac leaned against the drivers side as he spoke to Paul he most likely left his palm prints on the door this is why he was wiping down the drivers side of the car. I feel Zodiac was telling the truth when he said he used glue on his finger ends and that if he did leave any clues they were the fake "clews" he said he had left. Something tells me you have spoken to Paul Mulligan. Anyway thanks for this info but I will not truly be satisfied unless Bob's DNA did not match the DNA left at the Cheri Jo Bates murder scene. I really do hope you eventually make an arrest in this case. I dont care who Zodiac turns out to be. Zodiac would be in his 70's by now so you dont have much time left to make a case against whomever you may feel the Zodiac too be.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 06:44 pm:

I'm assuming the above post was Daijove's e-mail response to SFPD, however since he refuses to use quotation marks (or anything else to help us dumb ol' message boardies understand his posts), assuming is all we can do. Poor SFPD...I'll bet he makes even less sense to them.

By John Prisk (Prisk29) (dsc04.lbv-ca-1.rasserver.net - 165.236.65.167) on Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:16 pm:

You may be able to blame it all on his second favorite suspect, Jack Daniel.

By Daijove (Daijove) (1cust199.tnt1.san-angelo.tx.da.uu.net - 67.202.28.199) on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:04 am:

No blame it on the Bosa Nova and yes the above message was my response to the SFDP.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc033fc.ipt.aol.com - 172.192.51.252) on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:30 pm:

Blame it on Rio...