Larry Kane's Handwriting


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: Larry Kane's Handwriting

By TheBlackJet (Theblackjet) (d223h169.public.uconn.edu - 137.99.223.169) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:42 am:

Tom provides a sample of Kane's handwriting on the site. Scary how close it seems to match Zodiac's handwriting.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 10:13 am:

I don't see anything of Kane's that matches the Zodiac's handwriting.

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-67-116-225-49.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net - 67.116.225.49) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 08:39 pm:

Tom,would you please post the note that I sent you, and lets see what everyone thinks about it. If you can't find it Ed N has a copy.A hand writing expert saw it and said it was too much like the zodiac's printing to be his!If Kane didn't write it then R.H. did, either way it is the closest Z printing I have ever seen.I am sure the posters will love it!! It was left for me by a older man who said he wanted to help me find the Zodiac in 87 or 88.Two years before I Took his picture.His picture can be seen on Ryan Olesin's web site.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:03 pm:

The guy pictured at Ryan's site isn't Lawrence Kane.

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (d150-160-190.home.cgocable.net - 24.150.160.190) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:45 pm:

How do you know that? The picture looks a lot like Kane's driver's license photo that I also have on my site.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:49 pm:

It sure doesn't look like a Jewish guy in his late 60s to me; more like a hispanic in his late 40s-early 50s.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:50 pm:

Anyway, this thread is supposed to be a discussion of Kane's handwriting.

By Spencer (Spencer) (acad1d8c.ipt.aol.com - 172.173.29.140) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 11:49 pm:

I think the pic of Kane at Ryan's site (nice site, by the way) looks like Stacey Keach. I wonder what _his_ handwriting looks like?

Spencer

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 11:58 pm:

Keach's handwriting probably looks like the Zodiac's.

I also like Ryan's site.

By John Prisk (Prisk29) (dsc03-lbv-ca-6-122.rasserver.net - 199.182.111.122) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:06 am:

can someone supply a link to it? i cant seem to find it......
thanx in advance......

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:14 am:

Allrightythen...have you bothered to check my ZODIAC LINKS page? I didn't think so.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (207.233.36.186) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 05:54 pm:

Sephardic Jews often look hispanic. Anywayz, I always thought it was a good match.

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-67-116-224-143.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net - 67.116.224.143) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 06:23 pm:

Tom,This is the same guy I picked out of Harvey's photo line up,and the one the Vallejo chief said was Kane. I argued with Harvey about his name when I picked it out. I told him he was R.H. because I had his plates ran. I hope you are right and he is not Kane,that would explain why Kanes prints don't match the Cab.But this guy has the same droopy eye, the half smile,one of his plates was a lake Tahoe NV.plate. You are right about him looking younger.He is very strong looking also.Show the note he left for me please,it is the Z's printing!I would like to be proven wrong.This is the man I got away from in 68.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 06:59 pm:

I don't have a copy to post.

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-67-116-224-143.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net - 67.116.224.143) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 07:36 pm:

Ed has one would it be ok for him to post it? Thanks, Sandy

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (d150-160-190.home.cgocable.net - 24.150.160.190) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:57 pm:

Sandy, you sent me this awhile ago. I think its what you're referring too.

I took out the last name of R.H.

Kane's handwriting?

Ryan

By Oddball (Oddball) (pcp02495150pcs.flrnc01.al.comcast.net - 68.62.174.252) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 01:17 am:

I'd love to see a larger version--this has renewed my interest in Kane somewhat.

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-67-116-224-238.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net - 67.116.224.238) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:24 am:

Ryan, Thank you so much!! That is the note that was left for me . Did I send you also the larger verion? I had to blow it up to see if it was someone tracing the Z printing. On the larger one I could see who ever wrote it did it rather fast,because of the trails of ink. S.F.P.D. has the original note. I don't remember if it was done in blue ink or not.

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (d150-160-190.home.cgocable.net - 24.150.160.190) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 01:06 am:

No you did not send me the larger version.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-19167.linkline.com - 64.30.222.109) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 01:39 am:

Just carefully examining the sample of Kanes writing on Toms site I must say there are too many divergencies between his script and Zodiacs.
There are many internalities that lead one away from a Zodiac match.We need lots of other samples to get a better picture.
I am not discussing Kanes viability as a Zodiac suspect,he has his place there,but I just can't accept that sample as a match to Zodiac writing.

By Sandy (Sandy) (ppp-67-116-225-16.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net - 67.116.225.16) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 06:16 am:

Howard could you point out for us what the divergencies are? I read in a profile of Kanes printing that he could not be ruled out as the writer of the z notes. Also remember that the printing in this note was written some 19 yrs after.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 12:57 pm:

Do we know that Lawrence Kane wrote the note Sandy received? No.

The handwriting shown at Kane's page of this website was voluntarily submitted to SFPD in the late 1990s. It's Kane's handwriting.

By Oddball (Oddball) (pcp02495134pcs.flrnc01.al.comcast.net - 68.62.174.236) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 02:08 am:

Even if it was confirmed that Kane did write the note, I wouldn't think it meant that he was Zodiac...but if the writing is indeed his, it's worth a closer look.

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-103-176.client.attbi.com - 12.233.103.176) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 12:53 pm:

The hand writing on the Kane page was written for the police. He has brain damage but he is not stupid. what we need is something he wrote back in the late 60's and 70's to see how he did print for sure. That note looked contrived. I have some printing from a man named Laurance Kane back in the 60's.It look's very much like Z printing including his printing San Fran. I have no way of knowing if this is "the" Kane, I would be happy to send it to you. The note I recieved was given to my friend who worked at Lyon's Resturant, by the man I took the picture of ,the man I am told is Kane.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (pdx-cfi-90.navi.net - 208.211.19.90) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 01:06 pm:

Sandy:
"The note I recieved was given to my friend who worked at Lyon's Resturant, by the man I took the picture of ,the man I am told is Kane."

Someone made a mistake; that guy is not Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane.

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-103-176.client.attbi.com - 12.233.103.176) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 01:55 pm:

Who is he then? He is the man I got away from in 68. The man I still see from time to time, the same one I saw at Harvey's house in the picture line up.He has all of the same scars Kathleen Johns discribed. He is the same old man who as much as told the boy in Vallejo he is the Z. I can't put this witness's name out there . You know who he is he is the one who Emailed you about 2 weeks ago.I think it is very important that we find out who this man is because I and a lot of other people believe he is the Zodiac! If he is not lets prove it.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (32.sanfrancisco-12rh16rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 12.81.119.32) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 04:02 pm:

Sandy, that's like trying to prove I didn't kill JFK.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-19167.linkline.com - 64.30.222.109) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:03 pm:

Sandy,
When I come up this holiday we can get our little group together again( and a visit to LHR/BRS and PH with our Z expert and astute guide Ed N.-running down LHR with heels was a bit much, but I am sure he was trying to get a better feel for the case-this time don't laugh!) and I can show you the differences.
I was only commenting on the samples that were from the police as presented on Toms site.I know Tom knows the source of that sample.
I fully realize that ones writng can change over the years and an examination of Kanes 1960/70s writing is in order.
As I indicated ,I am not ruling Kane/Cane out based on that small sample.
When we select a suspect we should become an authority on him and you are researching him so I must defer to you as my hands are full with Davis.He,incidently has some seven different styles of writing.I know I have originals!

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-19167.linkline.com - 64.30.222.109) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 08:59 pm:

Sandy,
Just some quick observations.Zodiacs lower case r's are quite unusual in that they appear as a v and as Morrill said 'they appear as though they are about to fall over.'C/Kanes lower case r is not of the aforementioned radical design.
Zodiac made his upper case Zs (as though he were proud of the entire name and he did use Z once 10/27/70 and if it be accepted as Zodiac on the three '67 notes)fairly clean, but LK in our admittedly small sample does not.
Zs lower case a's have the vertical down turned stem,but LKs has a left over loop.
Note LKs cap Hs'the bottom left stem curls up to the right.This was done three out of four capitol Hs', so we may assume this is a habit,but it is not found in Zs Hs'.
We really need the originals to see pen pressure depressions and lifts.etc. to get a deeper picture,but there are differences with both this small Kane sample and Zs writng and that's all I was trying to post.A magnifying glass won't do -a microscope really reveals amazing details.More laTe<iR,!

By Len (Len) (gw1.edeltacom.com - 216.248.176.30) on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 11:41 am:

What struck me about Kane's handwriting sample is that the small "b" and small "d" are transposed. Is this perhaps an indication that he suffers from dyslexia? Perhaps resulting from his ancient head injury? If that's the case, I find it unlikely that he wrote the Zodiac's letters.

By Sandy (Sandy) (12-233-103-176.client.attbi.com - 12.233.103.176) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 12:35 pm:

Howard, I thought that the Z,s lower case r looked like a check mark? Some had a v look. The Kane/Cane sample is not like my note for sure,but the note that was left for me I think looks very much like Z's printing. Like I wrote before, an expert thought it was too much like Z,s. I have other samples for you to look at when I see you,soon I hope.