My suspect Mike W. Message Board: Other Suspects: My suspect Mike W.

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:36 am:

Although I don’t believe MW is Z, it is possible he knew Z 1st-hand. Many stories he has been accused of lying about may indeed fit a Z persona, if not MW’s.

-lost mother at eight years old
-alcoholic father/died when Mike was 10.
-moved to Riverside, CA in 1959 to live with relatives
-was raised by an outdoorsman (Keith Schrader was head of the Pilot Rock Conservation Camp-minimum security inmates used to fight forest fires) fingerprint manipulation idea may come from this experience
-graduated HS in 1965 in Riverside, CA
-entered Navy on June 2nd, 1966 – graduated boot camp August 22nd
-described in his youth as being thin, with thick horn-rimmed glasses and short hair
-admits he shopped at the Salvation Army (Wing Walkers)
-claims he used to talk with a fake English accent (English phrasings on letters)
-claims to have been a one-time drug trafficker (Darlene Ferrin motive)
-claims to not only have been in the occult (Satanism) but claims to have been a top official in the church of Satan (hence the title of his 1973 biography ‘The Satan Seller’)
-went to Vietnam in 1969 as a hospital corpsman but was there, apparently, for six months
-has been accused of stealing info from other books
-has been married four times and been involved in countless affairs. Most of his marriages have ended due to physical abuse and infidelity

A quote pertaining to Mike W:

"Selling Satan, written by two journalists who live at the Jesus People U.S.A. commune/co-op in Chicago, and write for the Protestant Evangelical magazine *Cornerstone*, is an expose of W.'s personally lucrative claims. According to Hertenstein and Trott, W. is a pathalogical liar, and they interviewed more than 100 people to prove it. Not only did W. make everything up, including his 1500 member cult, his long hair, pale face and 12 inch fingernails for fighting (pictures reveal he had short hair and was regarded as rather nerdy), his experiences in Vietnam and knowing people like Charles Manson and Anton LeVay, but as someone officially in 'Christian ministry" he led a double life, engaging in sexual promiscuity, adultery, drugs and greed."

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 12:40 am:

Strawbsfan1, I am not interested in being sued...therefore his last name has been deleted. Please don't post it again.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) ( on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 07:12 am:

And be careful about parroting slanders regarding certain religious groups and leaders, because this board is being watched by certain groups who are really tired of it and who will litigate at the very first opportunity.

I'm not talking about any "Christian" ministries, here.

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 07:32 am:

sorry Tom. no harm meant. And I am hardly at odds with any religious group, be that conservative christians, satanists, or whoever.

I think this individual is unique because he has a backround similar to a potential Z. Plus, a book has been written refuting claims from his own bio (uncommon for a non-historical figure). And if a characteristic of a serial killer is to go to great pains to appear normal, than I believe the guise of a minister is suspect.

My post is not on a whim or out of any malice towards anyone or anything. Rather, it's the result of research that I have found to be unique yet relevent to this investigation.

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 08:36 am:

Your suspect was the subject of an extensive investigation back in the 80s by an informal ad hoc group of individual members of various fringe religious groups concerned about combatting the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic that swept the country at that time.

He was revealed to be nothing more than a severely ethics-challenged grifter hitchhiking that wave of hysteria for profit. He will say or do anything to avoid actually having to work for a living, but I really doubt that he was or is capable of anything like the Z killings. He simply isn't that bold or clever. He's actually pretty stupid, as is evidenced by his book.

Heck, I could do better than that dead drunk, if I were of a mind to concoct a pack of lies to launch a Christian Outreach Ministry, which I most certainly am not.

I am considering launching the Alan Cabal Retoxification Project, to instruct the masses in the basics of getting ripped responsibly. God knows there's a need for it.

Applicants: get your checkbooks ready...

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 02:18 pm:

good one Alan :)

But seriously, where did his stories come from? That is the question at hand. Does the fact that he was in San Fran, in the Navy, surrounded by criminals for part of his life, once involved in drug trafficking, and trained as an outdoorsman mean nothing?

I saw that Tom once wrote something to the effect of 'if ALA is not Z then it's likely no one know's who he is'. My guy could be a bridge between that gap of info. I don't think that's a stretch of the imagination. Do you?

By Kevin (Kevinrm) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 02:23 pm:


The point is, all that BS about MW being surrounded by criminals, drug trafficing, etc, is pure non-sense. I've read his book, and I've also read the expose's on it, and this guy is full of it.

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:31 pm:

I'm not arguing where whether MW is lying or not. My point is, where did his stories come from? One great piece of best-selling fiction/borrowed non-fiction would either make him a JD Sallinger or a Stephen Ambrose ... but not both.

By Ed N. (Ed_N) ( - on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 11:04 pm:

Strawbs: who said it had to come from anywhere? Why do you assume that MW had to be inspired by some other source(s)? Do you doubt the capacity of the average halfwit to be able to make up a story? I don't think MW necessarily needed to be inspired by anyone: many people have more than fertile imaginations, but most tend to suppress them as they get older.

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:21 pm:


I can assure you as a writer the ideas don't appear out of thin air. But even if that were possible (which I doubt), how did he coincidentally come up with that many nuances and similarities to Z?

Ever heard of Sir Arthur Evans or Heinrich Schliemann? We would know little or nothing about the bronze age had those two individuals believed their bedtime stories were merely ... stories.

By Muskogee (Muskogee) ( - on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 05:58 pm:

I have heard many half-wits come up with proposterous stories that were not true. Heck, even I could probably do it (and I don't know if I quite qualify as "half-wit")! ;)

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 11:41 am:

remember ... some of what my suspect said about himself IS true.

-he was raised by an outdoorsman who worked with minimum security prisoners
-he did live in Riverside
-he was in the Navy

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) ( on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:58 pm:

I was in Dallas in November, 1963.

I could shoot a rifle with accuracy.

I was a "problem child."

Did I do it? Was that me in the Grassy Knoll? I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

By Warren (Warren) ( - on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:20 am:

Alan -
I too was in Dallas on that fateful day. Several blocks away and didn't realize that it happened.
I know who was on the Grassy Knoll. I'd tell you, but I'm an attorney and then I'd have to bill you. The WB

By strawbsfan1 (Strawbsfan1) ( - on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:28 pm:


I don't see how the two relate. If there was a 'profile' of a grassy knoll shooter that fit the description of a bio you wrote two years after the shooting, then yes, I believe you should be a suspect.