Rick Marshall Informant Report


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By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 12.224.139.118) on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 08:05 pm:

I've posted the five-page report an informant prepared on Rick Marshall in 1978.

Here's a link.

By Classic (Classic) (cache-mtc-ak04.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.96.201) on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 10:19 pm:

Like Artie Johnson use to say, vvveery interesting. Classic

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 08:00 am:

It seems everything fits too well. And not to be dense, but who is the referenced world authority on the Z crimes? Is that a reference to Toschi? Penn? Does anybody know?

By Valentine Smith (Valentinesmith) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.189.171) on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 08:19 am:

You know, for as long as I was (am?) an "Allen-ite" all it takes is something like this to throw everything in perspective. CERTAINLY there were additional investigative materials produced right? Right???

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:54 pm:

I would guess that Tom knows who the author of the letter was and I would bet that he or she was an attorney.

By Muskogee (Muskogee) (216-19-219-89.getnet.net - 216.19.219.89) on Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:48 pm:

If this info is true, Marshall just went WAAAY up on my suspect list.

By Nick (Nick) (216.52.215.232) on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 12:53 am:

I must be missing something. I see nothing in the document that would make me suspect this man was the Zodiac.

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:41 am:

Nick's right. At least half the report could be describing Michael Jackson.

By Valentine Smith (Valentinesmith) (cache-rp06.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.189.171) on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 02:46 pm:

HAAAA! Warren, you do have a point...

By Muskogee (Muskogee) (216-19-219-89.getnet.net - 216.19.219.89) on Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 06:23 pm:

The appeal of RM as a suspect is similar to the appeal of ALA as a suspect. It is not any one piece of circumstancial evidence, but the weight of all the pieces together. If you told me the guy could sew, I'd say, "Big deal?" If you simply told me RM liked an old movie called "The Red Phantom", I'd think it was an interesting coincidence. After 10 more of these similarities, I start getting intrigued.

Does this mean he's the Zodiac? No, but I think it adds quite a bit of weight (pardon the pun) to him as a suspect.

Hmmm, I like this Michael Jackson angle. You know, they do have the same skin color and all...

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (cache-ntc-af07.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.26.172) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:45 am:

Maybe it's just me, and it will take a little more investigation on my part before I'll be convinced that the following assertion is viable, but I got the eerie feeling that the author of the letter knew just a little too much. I mean, what 3 women were stabbed in addition to Cecelia Sheppard? I don't know, either the author is a complete fraud, or perhaps should be considered a Zodiac suspect himself. Seriously, the author of this letter holds more intrigue for me than Rick Marshall does. Thoughts?

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - 64.2.105.205) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:33 pm:

After re-reading it, I still say the author is a lawyer (gee, that narrows it down)with some religious leaning. And the "We" this and "We" that implies its only one person. Other than that, I will have to wait till Happy Hour to narrow it down further. BTW if Z is an Arab, he has probably been put in jail today. Finally, closure!

By Juno (Juno) (crlspr-12.38.63.238.myacc.net - 12.38.63.238) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:28 pm:

I assume the couple in this letter are referring to Graysmith's "Wallace Penny?" (as Marshall was "Don Andrews")

By Juno (Juno) (crlspr-12.38.63.238.myacc.net - 12.38.63.238) on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:44 pm:

I'll clarify. I meant that the couple who wrote that letter were referring to the "wallace penny" person Graysmith mentions as having been an informant for Graysmith's "Don Andrews" suspect (Marshall).

The informant is the same person. I think Graysmith was put in touch with "penny" via this same couple.

Is this correct?

By Muskogee (Muskogee) (216-19-219-89.getnet.net - 216.19.219.89) on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:41 pm:

Scott, I think you have a good point, but, since this is coming from people/ a person not necessarily very familiar with the case, I wouldn't be suprised to find such errors. I don't know that it necessarily amounts to anything, but who knows?

By Classic (Classic) (cache-mtc-ak04.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.96.201) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 09:44 pm:

Years ago, when I first read "Zodiac", even with Graysmiths ALA slant, I always liked Marshall for it. Sure there are more circumstantial tidbits against ALA right now than RM, but at one time, no more was know about ALA than RM. If more digging was done on RM, I am convinced a better case could be put against him than ALA. Time will tell. Classic

By Kevin (Kevinrm) (ip68-98-108-6.ph.ph.cox.net - 68.98.108.6) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 10:34 pm:

I completely agree. Like, why did he change his name?

By Juno (Juno) (crlspr-12.38.63.238.myacc.net - 12.38.63.238) on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 11:04 pm:

I felt the same way, Classic.

Let's see...there was the couple who put Graysmith in touch with "wallace Penny" who was frantic and distraught.

Then he checks out Marshall (andrews in the book) and has that creepy visit to some other movie buff;s house who is a theater owner buddy of marshall's (marshall did posters for him, i think).

Then there is the can of explosive silver nitrate film. man, it was too much.

Then he just blows it all off and focuses on ALA (starr) without anything in the way of explanation. I think he even hinted that he thought Penny, the freaked out initial informant, kneew too much and could be involved himself.

when i read "zodiac" for the first time, i wanted more info on marshall. Those are real page turner chapters...

That was the biggest letdown with "unmasked" No further info on other suspects (well, info worth having).

Marshall has always been my favorite over ALA too, of the graysmith suspects.

By Mike (Oklahoma_Mike) (66.138.8.85) on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 06:29 pm:

Gentlemen, allow me to join this "I like Marshall" party. I agree with your statements, especially yours, Juno, when the original book developed "Andrews" so well then suddenly just veered off in another direction! With information available I think Marslall is at least as good a suspect, maybe even a bit better, than ALA.
The fly in the ointment is that, 'with information available' qualifier. Unfortunately, the post about the informant is so full of qualifiers and shady, 'other parties' that one doesn't know whether or not to put any validity to the claims.
That's the fascination and frustration about this case. Like a quote from author Joel Auchenbach in
his great book (sceptical, by the way), "Captured By Aliens". He interviews Von Daniken and asks him if he ever ttied to find his way back to a temple of gold he describes in one book. "No", Van Daniken replies, "The only person who could ever lead me there and remember the way was a Hungarian who has since passed away". Auchenbach concludes that is the problem with anamolous phenomena, "It is always the Hungarian who has the proof and the Hungarian isalways dead!"
Sounds like the Zodiac case!
Happy holidays, have to close and watch a movie with my wife.