15-Page Lawrence Kane Report

Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Other Suspects: 15-Page Lawrence Kane Report

By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:30 pm:

I've posted the 15-page report Harvey Hines prepared on Lawrence Kane.

Here's a link.

By William Baker (Bill_Baker) (lsanca1-ar16-4-47-000-068.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net - on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:01 pm:

After reading page 1, it became apparent that Mr. Hines was putting his own subjective spin on the subject. His physical description comparison was very telling, in that he selectively seized on measurements (age, height, weight, etc.) within the various ranges offered by witnesses, often extreme in their relationship to the mean figures, in order to force-fit a match with his suspect. He lost a great deal of credibility early on, and it went downhill from there. There are far too many examples to cite here, although I'm confident that many of you will ably point them out. Other than to Sandy, and perhaps a paltry few others that frequent this message board, Kane does not represent a serious contender for consideration as a prime suspect. Mr. Hines, who would never make it in the big time, or on Madison Avenue, plays much too fast and loose with the known information about Z and the conclusions he draws from them with respect to Kane. If any detective worth his salt was to bring what he calls a "case" of this quality before virtually any trier of fact, he would be laughed out of town -- and summarily fired.

Thank you, Tom, for illuminating an otherwise shadowy excuse for investigative prowess. It certainly makes Marshall a far better suspect, by comparison.

As an aside, I take some comfort in being able to add to the short list of life's inevitabilities (along with death and taxes), the knowledge that a certain lawyer on this message board (not you, Law), who seems to thrive on contentious and adversarial posturing, will take the minority position, brow-beat and wear down the opposition with his legal acumen and courtroom rationalizations (with Latin phrases that normal people don't comprende), in order to feed whatever needs his real life fails to satisfy. I say this with all due respect (which is considerable). Sorry if I seem a little feisty right now, but it's been one a them days.

As always, that's just my opinion -- I could be wrong.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:10 pm:

Bill, I agree 100% about Hines and Kane. In fact, Allan Melvin is about as likely as Kane to be the Zodiac.

By Nick (Nick) ( on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:36 am:

Agreed. Therein lies the problem with nearly all of the major suspects. Spin-o-rama. Every day I walk down the street I probably bump into 2 or 3 old guys with Kane's credentials. For me, any viable suspect has to have some sort of reasonable connection to Vallejo. I don't see this with Kane.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:48 am:

The funny thing is, the San Francisco Chronicle's Rider McDowell wasn't able to corroborate some of Harvey's most intriguing info on Kane.

By Warren (Warren) (w205.z064002105.hou-tx.dsl.cnc.net - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:29 am:

Bill (or anybody)- How do you feel about Kane being good for Donna Lass? BTW, didn't realize I was that contentious and adversarial, sorry.

By Law123 (Law123) (cache-ntc-af07.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:27 pm:

If Kane had a problem with impulse control as indicated, then I would think this tends to rule him out as Zodiac. Killers without the ability to control their self gratification more often don't pre-plan their crimes like Z did..they may very well have an established M.O. that shows some planning and preparedness like a rape kit in their van etc..but their crimes are more spontaneous. Z is so intricate and cerebral. Compare Jack Trawick (a killer with no impule control) to Z. Hes on various websites.

By Rachel Orsini (Rachel_Orsini) (pcp01962306pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 03:46 pm:

Did you ever notice that Hines' report lists Kane living on Eddy St. in SF and there is an address for 455 Eddy St. Apt. 905 in SF under the name Dave Bond (??) in Darlene's personal address book? Do you know if this has ever been looked into? Most likely just another coincidence but I'm a snoop. :) Thanks!

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 04:32 pm:

Rachel, I'll let our own Ed answer that...

By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acc2ebfa.ipt.aol.com - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:21 pm:

The guy's name was Dave Pond, and he certainly did live there around 1969; Sandy and I looked into that a bit several months back, but never came to any conclusions other than it might have been coincidence. Hines claims Kane lived at 217 Eddy Street in the "Clark Hotel," but we were not able to verify if he lived there at all. It was actually called the Clark Apartments, and it's only 2 blocks from 455 Eddy, where there was an L.C. Cane who lived in apartment 1109 in 1965-66, then a Laurence V. Cave from 1966-74. If Kane really did live on Eddy Street, it had to have been at 455, since that was the only person with a name resembling Kane's living within several blocks of that area in 1969. So, it turns out Pond and Kane lived only two floors apart, not two blocks.

The other thing is that Hines states that Kane's criminal record dates from 1946 to "June 1968, only four months (emphasis mine) before the killing of Jensen and Faraday on Lake Herman Road." Hmm... is it just me, or can't Hines count? If he can make such basic mistakes with the known facts (and they are, I submit, extremely difficult to get wrong), then I can't place much faith in his reporting of unverifiable facts.

That doesn't mean that Kane isn't guilty of committing any other crimes; I think he's a very likely suspect in the Lass and Lull cases. I just don't think he's the Zodiac.

By Rachel Orsini (Rachel_Orsini) (pcp01962306pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net - on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:34 pm:

Thanks for the info.This case has way too many coincidences!I agree with you that there are better Z suspects than Kane - and yes, a definite viable suspect for other crimes.