Bloody Prints on the Hood of Stine's Cab? Message Board: Paul Stine: Bloody Prints on the Hood of Stine's Cab?

By ScottN (Scottn) ( - on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 12:11 pm:

In watching the August "Cold Case Files" and its color footage of Stine's cab something struck me: there are clearly blood stains on the HOOD of the cab, near the ornament.

Two things I concluded: 1) Zodiac walked around the front of the cab when he went to wipe down the other side (driver's side). This is curious to me as I had always imagined him walking around the back I think because I was taught as a kid to never walk in front of a car. 2) He carelessly left prints-- or had so much blood on him it sloshed onto the hood of the car. Somehow, that presents a wilder, less planned image than I had previously thought of when I imagined the crime.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 01:56 pm:

Scott, I hadn't noticed that. Good eye! However, I figure it must be some kind of a lighting effect since there is no record of blood being found on the outside of the cab.

Of course, it could also be one of those rumored secrets SFPD supposedly still has.

By ScottN (Scottn) ( - on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 12:46 am:

Hi Tom; check out the footage again (I think it's the second time it's shown on "Cold Case"). I don't think it's a lighting effect.

But with my crappy, $89 Philips TV who knows.

By William Baker (Bill_Baker) ( - on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 09:24 am:

Scott, Tom, I haven't reviewed the program footage to see the possible blood deposit on the hood of the cab, but it cannot be discounted that it was left there by one of the officers or ambulance attendants who had been inside the vehicle, and who absent-mindedly touched the hood with their hand or arm. It would stand to reason that the film footage of the scene would have been taken at some point after their arrival, and after they had checked on Stine's condition. I'm speaking here from personal experience, painfully aware that human intrusion, however dutiful, into a pristine crime scene invariably results in contamination.

If the investigators who worked/processed the scene were made aware that the stain on the hood was inadvertantly left there by responding personnel, it's not surprising that it wouldn't have been documented in any subsequent police reports. And that's all assuming that what appears to be blood on the hood is just that. Moreover, I'm confident that the entire cab, inside and out, was thoroughly examined for not only blood deposits but latent prints as well. An unaccounted-for blood deposit on the hood, with a potential for latent print images, would certainly have been noted, processed and documented. My opinion.

By ScottN (Scottn) ( on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 03:54 pm:

You are right, Bill. The footage was shot after the crime as the cab appears to be encased in some sort of garage.

The sort of "absent mindedness" you conclude led to the stains' appearance seems a glaring error to me but I suppose it isn't out of the question. The position of the stains seems curious though, especially since (after watching the same few seconds of footage numerous times) there are no other stains anywhere on the hood.