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Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Ciphers: Question to Glen

By Eduard (erasmuscollege.nl - 194.109.60.77) on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:15 am:

Can a cipher contain a system that turns characters of that cipher in numericals wich contain a mathical sum?
I hope I wrote it in plain english, otherwise sorry (i'm Dutch).

By Glen (dialup-209.245.232.104.dallas1.level3.net - 209.245.232.104) on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 05:32 pm:

Every alphabet is a "modulo" something, so turning characters into letters and using them in ciphers is extremely simple. I'm not sure what you mean by mathematical sum, however.

If you mean what I think you mean, I'd say no, but I'd like you to expand more on your concept.

I remember that the answer to life, the universe, and everything, was reduced to the sum of 42, so I guess it's all in how you ask the question. :-)

By Ed N. (spider-tq041.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.201.61) on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 05:46 pm:

Wasn't it the ultimate answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything? Or was it "ultimate"???

By Glen (dialup-209.245.232.104.dallas1.level3.net - 209.245.232.104) on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 05:59 pm:

It was clearly ultimate!

By Glen (dialup-209.245.232.104.dallas1.level3.net - 209.245.232.104) on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:03 pm:

"...so turning characters into letters and using them in cipher is extremely simple." I should hope so! What I meant to say was "so turning letters into numbers and using them in ciphers..."

If I red my own riting mor often, I'd wouldn't never not mak such mistaks.

By Roger Redding (user-33qs1lj.dialup.mindspring.com - 199.174.6.179) on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:52 pm:

"I remember that the answer to life, the universe, and everything, was reduced to the sum of 42, so I guess it's all in how you ask the question. :-) "

Aha! So Douglas Adams killed Bates! I knew it all along!

Roger

By Glen (dialup-209.245.226.215.dallas1.level3.net - 209.245.226.215) on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 02:22 pm:

Actually I'm torn between Ford Prefect and Arthur Dent, but the Paranoid Android had motive. Trillion, well she's a babe, and maybe Bates moved in on her territory.

By Ed N. (spider-to061.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.204.71) on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:06 pm:

Marvin just hated life in general, but not enough to kill. He'd rather stick his head in a bucket of water (he actually did that once).

Zaphod Beeblebrox, on the other hand, continually referred to Arthur Dent as an apeman, did he not? Obviously, it was he who had little or no regard for human life since he obviously did not respect Arthur Dent (even though he saved them from the missle fired from Magrathea)! Zaphod must be Z!

Besides, anyone who would invent something like the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster (the drink that, when consumed, makes you feel like getting hit with a lemon wrapped around a gold brick) has got to be a little out there anyway.

P.S.Did anyone else notice??? Zaphod and Zodiac both start with "Z," also have the letters "a," "d" and "o" in common, and both have six letters in their names! Couldn't it be more obvious???

By Student 12345 (line07ef.kdt.de - 195.8.255.239) on Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 07:31 am:

Hello,
I'm brandnew to the case, but I have an interesting book for Mr. Glen

Title: "An Eternal Golden Braid"
Author: Gödel, Escher, Bach
Basic Books (c)1979, New York

It will help you to understand some cipher/decipher problems.
(possibly)

Execuse my bad English, I’m a Frenchman.

P.S.
In my humble opinion, especially this chapters here are very interesting:
XVIII,
XIX,
XX

By Jake (Jake) (spider-tk074.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.206.209) on Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 05:32 pm:

Student 12345 wrote:
"Execuse my bad English, I’m a Frenchman."

That's interesting ... I thought that the ".de" IP suffix was exclusively German.

--Jake
http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/index.html
"This is a Vichy Collaborator Speaking..."

By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max1-18.evansinet.com - 208.202.125.49) on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 04:43 pm:

how many dimensions can one cipher have?
( a code with in a code)
could a 340 digit cipher contain as much information as a book?
and if so wouldn't you need to define sums?

By Glen Claston (Glen_Claston) (crtntx1-ar5-036-189.elnk.dsl.gtei.net - 4.41.36.189) on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 06:55 pm:

how many dimensions can one cipher have?
( a code with in a code)
could a 340 digit cipher contain as much information as a book?
and if so wouldn't you need to define sums?

What are the odds of a monkey banging on a typewriter banging out Shakespeare's first folio? Or consider the computer that can generate enough text to have generated everything that could have been and had ever been written. It's not that far from what you're asking.

Technically the best functionality a 340 character cipher can have is to represent an entire word with a single character, which means it could possibly represent 340 words instead of 340 characters, an advantage of approximately 5:1 in cipher terms.

In terms of possible solutions, !340 is the top end, while language structure greatly limits this. If you are asking whether or not rheams of solutions can be interpreted from these 340 characters, the answer is an obvious - yes. The fact remains that only one solution will stand all the tests, but until that happens we will continue to see rheams of solutions and partial solutions.

GC