340 Cipher - Constellations
Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Ciphers: 340 Cipher - Constellations
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (ro02-24-29-217-79.ce.mediaone.net - 188.8.131.52) on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 10:24 pm:|
If this takes too much room, delete it and I'll e-mail a copy to anyone who would like it.
The letters are scrambled but there are two connected strings of letters that say "cop shot" or "shot cop."
Here are the coordinates of the strings, in the 340 cipher. The two strings intersect at the O at coordinate 18, 10, resembling an upside down T.
First string: 15th row over 9 to the right = coordinate 15, 9. (example.)
15, 9 = C
16, 9 = O
16, 10 = P
17, 10 = +(orT)
18, 10 = O
18,11 = S
18, 12 = H COP SHOT
18, 8 = C
18, 9 = P
18, 10 = O
18, 11 = S
18, 12 = H
18, 13 = T COP SHOT, used O as overlap of both words.
I also found constellations in the 340 cipher, Orion, Octans, Scorpio, and possibly others. I'm still looking. I'll post the coordinates as soon as I can. The word "consternation" in the Citizen Letter is only two letters different from constellation.
The T shaped COP SHOT is the head of Scorpio (I guess) after it's been shot. The head before says "COP," with letters separating the c,p,and o. The coordinates of the head are: 6,1 = P 6,4 = intersect at head 6,7 =O and 6,11 = C. Connect from P to C for head. Body = 6,4 to 1,9 then to "dots" at coordinates 2,12 to 7,14 to 16,12 up to 12,13 and back down to 14,11. Connect the dots.
Here is a link to the constellation Scorpio: http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations/Scorpius.html
The area in the lower left between the head and stinger is Orion. In mythology Scorpius killed Orion. I'll post Orion coordinates as soon as possible.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (ac87da31.ipt.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Thursday, September 06, 2001 - 11:07 pm:|
There is no reason to believe Zodiac had any special knowledge of astrology, mythology or the occult.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-8.linkline.com - 220.127.116.11) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 02:25 am:|
See my past posts on Zodiac and the occult, astrology,etc.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (ro02-24-29-217-79.ce.mediaone.net - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 08:05 pm:|
Coordinates for constellations, and Tennessee Valley
These little marks (>)looked like they were giving directions on which way to go, as in a combination lock. So I counted symbols up to an including each "sideways v." I got a series of numbers, which I made note of the direction symbol. You'll see as I write them down. I counted in a natural reading pattern, starting from left to right, snaking through the cipher. If there were two symbols the same, then I added them. My numbers disappear using the symbols so I am going to say "right(R)" or "left(L)," for the way the "sideways v" is facing.
4R = 4R
22L = 22L
67R = 67R
23L = 94L
56R = 56R
6L = 42L
16R = 16R
(57 + 14 + 23 = 94)
(36 + 6 = 42)
Going the opposite direction, from right to left, like a combination lock, I snaked through the cipher counting and stopping at symbols for the numbers. These are the coordinates I got:
1, 14 (first row, 14th symbol to the right) Make note of, but pass thru this coordinate, and continue counting. Like going into the fourth dimension.
1,14 = O
2,5 = N
6,4 = N
11,5 = T
15,17 = E
17,9 = nil
18,8 = V TENN V = Tennessee Valley, which is in Marin County, CA. http://www.gorp.com/gorp/eclectic/family/sfo_family7.htm near Mt Tamalpais: http://parks.ca.gov/allpages/default.asp?page_id=471 Mt. Diablo can be seen from here.
There is also a second set of coordinates, which include 1,14 as part of the count. All the coordinates after the first one will be 4 places farther in the strings of symbols. Most of the constellations I found use mostly the first set of coordinates. Some Zodiac symbols are coordinates in the constellations and some of the "P's" seem to be in a position where lines of the constellations will pass through them. It is also possible some of the + sign's represent stars like the one after Saiph at the bottom of the cipher.
This is getting long, so I'll post the coordinates of the constellations in the next post. But first there is the name of a star that is part of the Orion constellation in the last line of the lower right hand corner of the cipher. It is the star Saiph. The coordinates of the name are:
20,13 = A
20,14 = I
20,15 = S
20,16 = F = PH Symbol for F is similar to this symbol.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (ro02-24-29-217-79.ce.mediaone.net - 22.214.171.124) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 09:17 pm:|
Head: 13,1 to 11,5 to 10,2.
Upper Body: 13,1 to 16,3 to (18,8 to18,9 to 17,9) (belt or waist) to 11, 5.
Arm: the real constellation has Orion's right arm up over and behind his head. Here it is down by his waist: 16,3 to 16,12 to 14, 11 to 16,3. The end of Orion's arm is by the stinger of Scorpius.
Lower Body: goes off the page, just these coordinates: 18,8 to 20,9 and 17,9 to 18,12(from second set of coordinates)
Bow: 12,13 to 7,14 to 2,12 to 1,9
Arrow to Bow 11,5 to 4,13 (intersect with bow) lines passes through P at 5,12.
Kite looking part of body: 13,1 to 10,3 to 11,5 to 18,8 to 16,3 to 13,1.
Arm on right reaching up: 11,5 to 6,8 to 2,5. Or 11,5 to 6,4.
Left leg: 18,8 to 20,6 (backwards P)
Right leg: 18,8 to 18,12.
"Octans, the Octant, is completely visible in latitudes South of the Equator, and is circumpolar. Unlike its Northern counterpart; Ursa Minor; Octans does not contain any bright stars to aid to locating the South Celestial Pole. Oddly, an Octant is a device for determining position for navigation, even though the constellation was probably not used for navigation. Most navigational logs of the time, refer to the area as almost completely devoid of stars. "
The "area as almost completely devoid of stars." There are 4 coordinates that were not used in the Orion constellation: 6,4 = N 1,14 = O 2,5 = N 15,17 = E. They spell NONE.
6,4 is the only one that is part of the Scorpius Constellation. It intersects the body or neck(N) to the head.
If you put Orion and Scorpius together, the arrow of Orion's bow is intersecting the body of Scorpius. The right arm down to the side of Orion could be the arm position after he cuts off the head of Scorpius. And the position after Orion shoots his arrow into the body of Scorpius.
Octans is interesting because it is circumpolar to the South Pole. Police could be said to be "Pole Ice." The Zodiac doesn't seem to like cops as depicted in the Scorpius constellation in the cipher. "P" could represent "Policeman."
Bootes (Boo abbreviation and the Zodiac's costume) or could be a play on the Wing Walker Boots (Draco's wing could be in this Constellation also.)
Draco's wing surrounds Ursa Minor ( little bear) on three sides, like a crescent. The Bear is on the California flag and seal.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (ro02-24-29-217-79.ce.mediaone.net - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 09:37 pm:|
I scanned the 340 Cipher, then enlarged it, and made about five copies to draw my constellations on. That way they each have their own page.
I may copy them on a transparency and overlay them to see what it looks like.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (ac8a2f02.ipt.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 10:00 pm:|
I think you're getting far more esoteric than Z ever was.
|By Esau (Esau) (proxy2-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 10:31 pm:|
I wonder if the 340 character cipher is nothing but gibberish designed to give the cops "some busy work" to run all over town with......
|By Roger Redding (Roger_Redding) (user-33qs1hp.dialup.mindspring.com - 220.127.116.11) on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 11:57 am:|
Or to entertain amateurs with way too much spare time.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (ro02-24-29-217-79.ce.mediaone.net - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 09:03 pm:|
SECOND SET OF COORDINATES
"There is also a second set of coordinates, which include 1,14 as part of the count. All the coordinates after the first one will be 4 places farther in the strings of symbols."
When I did the constellations from the first set of coordinates, there was only one coordinate that was common to both the first and second sets of coordinates. This was the letter H at coordinate (18,12)
The Zodiac was a serial killer, and he also threatened harm to a bus full of children. The FBI has CASKU (Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit,) a strange combination if you ask me, however what if the is a CASKI (Child Abduction and Serial Killers Incorporated? It's not impossible because there was a Murder, Inc.(gangsters.)
THEODORE KACZYNSKI has CASKI in his name. What if he was a ring leader of such an organization? He hated the FBI.
This is a rearrangement of the letters of his first and last name:
DOOR KEY A CITZEN SK(Serial Killer) H (only coordinate common to both sets.)
There was "A Citizen" letter dated May 7, 1974.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (ro02-24-29-217-79.ce.mediaone.net - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 07:59 pm:|
>"This is a rearrangement of the letters of his first and last name:
DOOR KEY A CITZEN SK(Serial Killer) H (only coordinate common to both sets.)
There was "A Citizen" letter dated May 7, 1974."
Added to previous post: There are only two symbols from both the first and second set of the original coordinates not used between Scorpius, Orion, and Bootes. They are 2 "U's" which is "i"
They fit perfectly as the needed I in CITZEN and SK(I) Serial Killers Incorporated.
HERCULES Constellation coordinates:
"Hercules is another of the oldest constellations, but he was not known to the first Greek astronomers by that name (early Greeks called him the Kneeling One). Hercules is best known for his twelve labors, because he killed his children in a fit of anger. The twelve labors are thought to represent the Sun's passing through the twelve zodiacal constellations."
Since this is mythology and constellations, I assumed the HER in the first row was the beginning of Hercules, in fact it is the abbreviation. With what I assumed was a continue > sign, I found all the letters in the order it was spelled, and wrote down the coordinates and posted them.
H = 1,1 E = 1,2 R = 1,3 C = 3,4 U = 3,7 L = 3,13 E = 11,7 S = 13,14 Variations on spelling
H E R (A = 9,14) (K = 9,17) (L =10,3) E S
H E R C U L (I = 11,8) S
T (1,4) used because is common with first set of original coordinates.
Hercules, Herakles, and Herculis
After the first three HER, cules rearranged spelled clues. So I added coordinates to get more coordinates from the first Hercules coordinates, so the the cipher numbers can be plotted.
1,1 + 1,2 + 1,3 + 3,4 + 3,7 = 9,17 = K
3,13 + 11,7 = 14,20 = +
13,4 is the last and third number = 13,4 = S
K+S = SEA (codes from decoded 408 Cipher in Zodiac by Robert Graysmith)
Neptune and Poseidon are mythological creatures from the sea. Their symbol is a trident (three prongs.)
Who would Zodiac like to spear with that thing? It has to be the FBI and CASKU. If you take the letters not common to all three spellings of Hercules, you have CUAKIE. I am adding S because in the constellations of Orion and Bootes, the S is in the middle of the chest, like Superman.
The words CASKU and CASKI (Child Abduction and Serial Killer Incorporated) SEA can be made coming down from the S in CASKU OR CASKI, like a crossword.
Look at the word Hercules or Herculis. I see the name with s put first, Sheri, like Cheri and clu (clue.)
Also, the second labor of Hercules was a nine headed Hydra. Darlene Ferrin was the second victim and was shot nine times.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-150.linkline.com - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 09:09 pm:|
Bookwormut of all that there stuff I like the Tennesse Valley as TN.is where my suspect hails from.Ya all take er easy now ya mightin' just be passin' up the ol' Boy himself-right ED?I done think ya have!
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (188.8.131.52) on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 07:40 am:|
I wouldn't be surprised that "Tennessee Valley" also means the state of Tennessee, like the two sets of coordinates that I found using a combination method of searching the 340 cipher.
I don't know if you've read Don Foster's book but from excerpts of Kaczynski's writings, it's shown that he signs letters with more than one name, like Hercules.
This is from Don Foster's book "Author Unknown On the Trail of the Anonymous," p. 103.
"The teacher took out a book, leafed through it frantically, and found what he was looking for...'I'm putting next to your name,' he continued, opening his booklet, 'a very bad grade.' Since then, this little error has always pursued me. It has ruined my career." It is signed, "-'Hercules' (Ted Kaczynski), LETTER TO PROF. LOUIS DE BRANGES, NOT SENT (1985)"
The footnote to this is on p.286 "Donald Foster, 'Primary Culprit,' New York (italicized,) 26 February 1996 (released 15 February), 50-57."
Now the Zodiac symbol in the 408 cipher is a "D" which would be a very bad grade. "E" and "F' could be a very bad grade also. Could there be a message in these cipher letters?
>"Since then this little error has pursued me." The Hercules constellation looks like it is running; it is said to be kneeling on the head of Draco. (need to get the reference. I think it is within the Hercules website I posted.)
Also, within the name Hercules is "school" (phonetically same) spelled "scule," in fact it could say "Her scule."
Finally in the words "Casku" and "Caski." the u and i are the only difference. U is the symbol for I in the 408 cipher. On the keyboard U and I are nested in the middle of Y and O. YO, sort of reminds me of Yo! Adrienne! (first Rocky movie.)
U and I, like U=I, also reminds me of the movie "Face Off," where two characters assume each others identity.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 07:53 am:|
Another thought is that there is a possiblity that Ted Kaczynski either knew the
Zodiac, or could have assumed his identity.
I would think Kaczynski would find the Zodiac's ciphers a challenge. He had plenty of time on his hands to do solve it, and rather than report the solution, he could have used it.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (220.127.116.11) on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 11:06 am:|
Bookworm, it might interest you to know that Kaczynski also wrote under the alias "Apias Tuberosa."
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 09:51 pm:|
That is interesting because if you reverse Apias, you get saipA. In the 340 cipher in
the bottom right corner AIK, and that symbol similar to F symbol in the 408 cipher is
nested between the filled in triangle which is an "A" and the + sign at the end.
In the middle of A+ is "AISPH." That symbol next to the last + really looks like the symbol for "F" from the 340 cipher. Below notice the Arabic name is "Saif." Rearrange the letters including the A for A+ and you get Apias. The H is left over, which could be for Hercules, the signature he used for his "bad grade" story.
The name Saiph derives from the Arabic Saif al Jabbar meaning "The Sword of the Giant." It is the fifth biggest star of the Orion constellation.
Apias Tuberosa is actually supposed to be Apios Tuberosa, which is a potato-like tuber. The Indians ate them. Since the difference between the two words is a and o, maybe he is saying he got "a zero"
What was the document he used this name on, and is there a link?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (22.214.171.124) on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 11:27 pm:|
Bookworm, check the text of the Turchie Affidavit at www.unabombertrial.com. It was the byline of a manuscript Kaczynski had written titled "How I Blew Up ..." which he asked his mother to mail to the editors at Harper's.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 07:16 pm:|
Bookworm, this is all interesting speculation, but will it lead us to Z?
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 08:54 pm:|
Ed, This cipher post is straying off into the Zodiac letter topics, but Kaczynski
spelled Apias with and "a" and it should be an "o."
In the Zodiac letters some of his "a's" look like "o's" also. Here is an example:
>In the Zodiac's "Debut" letter of 8/4/69, the "a" in "having" looks like an "o." There is also an "e" added to make "hoveing." Take the "v" out and you have "hoeing."
Potatoes have to be dug up, which is what an Apios Tuberosa is.
In other letters the Zodiac speaks of burying a bomb and uses the word "dig" a couple times. Hoeing is very close to digging.
>In the Marvin Belli letter of 12/20/69, the "i" in victim is replaced with an "o" just like the one in "bomb" in the same letter.
Kaczynski may have been borrowing from the Zodiac, or maybe he is the Zodiac.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 09:41 pm:|
Actually, I was referring to your constellation theory.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 07:29 pm:|
First, in my last post "hoveing" is hoeing with the v removed. Could that v
be an insert proofreading mark? When you hoe, you dig, then the Zodiac plants (inserts)
There has been talk about "Dirty Harry" and Scorpio, the kidnapper who buries a young girl.
Then in Graysmith's book, on p.118, he discusses the Dick Tracy Comic strip debut of the Zodiac Gang with Scorpio as the head villian.
Hercules is a name Kaczynski uses.
Bootes and Orion are both waterman constellations, and Bootes is also said to be a herdsman. The word "herded" is used by both Graysmith and Douglas, when talking about how Zodiac manuvered his victims. Maybe they know about the constellations already.
Bottom line, the constellations are a big clue. Kaczynski touches on mythology with the name Hercules, so we need to see what other suspects were interested in it.
There is probably more stuff in the 340 cipher, as well as the 408 cipher. On p. 130 in Foster's book, Kaczynski uses the address 3414, as the return address of his book bomb (Ice Brothers) to Percy Wood.
34 is 2X17 and 14 is left over. In the 408 cipher, if you go down two rows and over 14 symbols from left to right in each of the three, you get the letters "u" "g" and "n." It spells gun.
|By Lapumo (Lapumo) (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 11:16 am:|
Your mention of the film "Dirty Harry"(1971)does make me wonder why a movie
buff like Zodiac never mentioned it in any of his letters,at least
not in any obvious way!
|By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (22.214.171.124) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 11:36 am:|
Maybe it was because in Dirty Harry the bad guy lost. In the Exorcist, even though the demon was exorcised, the 2 priests died too.
|By Spencer (Spencer) (126.96.36.199) on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 11:46 pm:|
If one accepts the validity of the 1978 letter, then Z did hint at "Dirty
Harry." In the letter, the following line appears:
"I am waiting for a good movie about me. Who will play me."
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (188.8.131.52) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 12:00 am:|
If it is an authentic letter, then we can assume that Z thought that Dirty Harry was a bad movie (and that other awful one too...).
|By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (184.108.40.206) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 12:21 am:|
I agree with Ryan. If Zodiac thought Dirty Harry was a bad movie, it was only
because Scorpio gets his butt whipped. Then again, maybe he thought Andrew Robinson's
character didn't "do him justice."
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (220.127.116.11) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 12:29 am:|
Meanwhile, back to "340 Cipher - Constellations". I still am not sure how this will help us track Z down...
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (18.104.22.168) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 02:55 pm:|
Dirty Harry - Andrew Robinson(Scorpio) played in a 1991 movie called "Into the
Badlands." A little late but who knows the way Hollywood thinks.
The other day "Dick Tracy, the Movie"(1945) was on . In the movie, Splitface has an accomplice with the last name of Sterling. Graysmith has on his list of possible Zodiac victims, two young girls killed on Feb. 4, 1972. One of their last names was Sterling. Movies could be a way he chose his victims.
Also, this Sterling in the movie was an astrologist and involved in the occult. When Tracy first meets him on the roof with his telescope, he points the constellation Sagittarius out to Tracy.
Splitface slashed his victims, and Sterling, unbeknownst to Splitface, extorted money from them, knowing Splitface was going to kill them anyway. He wrote the letters and Splitface killed them.
At the end of the movie, Tracy is called on a case of a murdered taxi driver.
Could be that the Zodiac was interested in Dick Tracy movies.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (22.214.171.124) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 03:14 pm:|
Forgot to mention that there was a "Paradise Club," owned by a Mr. Owens in
the movie Dick Tracy.
There is also a city by the name of Paradise near Las Vegas.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (126.96.36.199) on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 06:44 pm:|
Why don't we post ideas regarding Z's possible inspirations from the movies here: Theories: Movie inspirations for the Zodiac?.