Exorcist Letter 29/1/74
Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Letters: Exorcist Letter 29/1/74
|By H. (webcachew08b.cache.pol.co.uk - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 03:08 pm:|
The animated .gif spelling out Leigh on the Allen page makes use of the two small
ink-spots on the left of the main symbol on the Exorcist letter that, to me, seem like
blots where the page was folded - this kind of thing can be seen on several Z letters
(Badlands 8/5/74 and Mount Diablo 26/6/70). Has anyone seen this page close-up enough to
say whether they appear to be intentional markings or not?
Wasn't there another rendering of this symbol that named one of the other suspects?
Doesn't it look more like a part of something rather than a wierd anagram?
|By Ed N. (spider-tn053.proxy.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 04:06 pm:|
Supposedly, the design at the bottom of the Exorcist letter also resembles the call
letters of radio station KTIM where Z suspect Richard Marshall worked at in the 1970's. Zodiac Suspect Rick
As for looking like "a part of something rather than a wierd anagram," what are you getting at? To me, it looks more like the symbol on the soy barrel Kim Allen had when she vanished than it looks like anything else. In any case, Tom's animated gif that rearranges those symbols to spell out "Leigh" sure looks pretty convincing.
|By Tom Voigt (aca65fe2.ipt.aol.com - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 05:14 pm:|
I have an FBI photostat of the Exorcist letter, and the "extra" symbols in question were not the result of the page being folded, etc. They were most definitely part of the design.
|By Douglas Oswell (238.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 06:35 pm:|
They look like a sperm overshooting an egg. Taken in conjunction with the "Titwillo" theme, that probably means something.
|By Anonymous (spider-wi021.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 11:57 pm:|
I can't believe i'm even putting in my two cents ... I happen to think it looks alot like the design symbol on the Sansui turntable I inherited. Thanks, J
|By H. (webcache16b.cache.pol.co.uk - 188.8.131.52) on Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 05:43 pm:|
These symbols are clearly incomplete characters - the two marks on left seem inconsequential despite what Tom says. The whole thing spells out "Ed N." as convincingly as anything else. The symbols may have been formed from an enlargement of part of another letter. I would put more faith in it being Anonymous's decks than Allen's signature.
|By Ed N. (spider-wn014.proxy.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:46 pm:|
LOL... I was 8 years old and had never heard of Z before! In fact, I did not hear about
him until 1989 or 1990. Besides, chances are that the day that letter was mailed, I was in
the air on my way across the Pacific. And... believe it or not, I have never seen The
Exorcist! Can't comment on a movie one has never seen...
Seriously though, the symbols could mean anything. Only Z can tell us for sure. My point is, there are at least three different explanations for what they might mean, and only one of them can be right, and if any of them are, they are only circumstantial evidence at best.
|By Glen (dialup-220.127.116.11.dallas1.level3.net - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 12:15 am:|
Ed seems do be doing a lot of dog-paddling here. It makes me wonder. Ed, were you a boy genius at 8 years old? did you own a Zodiac watch? How about a cracker jack compass or a secret decoder ring? Mighty suspicious, that one. Yep. No matter how much you deny it Ed, I'll never trust you the same again!
|By Ed N. (spider-tf023.proxy.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 11:06 pm:|
Uh, oh... you're all on to me! Is it that obvious??? LOL
|By Ed N. (spider-tf023.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 11:15 pm:|
|By Howard (Howard) (dialup-188.8.131.52.losangeles1.level3.net - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 12:01 am:|
The Exorcist letter[1/29/74] or "note" as Z called it was probably sent in response to the ..."fuss from Monday night[28th]"said Toschi. Some (5)black muslims were killing white people,15 of them and 23 shot.This 'fuss" lasted 179 days!Manson had predicted that"... The heavy dudes though are the muslims... they'll be the ones who bring the sh.. down...a full on war...the smart ones will be the muslims, 'cause they'll be hiding in their basements(Z mentioned his "basement")with all kinds of weapons and strategies, and when the time is right they'll come out and finish off what's left of whitey. That's why we got to get our own scene together..."Manson spoke of San Francisco (he despised 'the SFPD for causing the love thing to cease in the Haight' and elsewhere)as key to the revolution. This is, as I see it, the motivation for Z to write this "note" after the long silence- 'the muslims are gettin'it on -its happening'. My book goes into detail. The chacarters at the end ,as I see them ,can spell KILL and KNIFE(try it out as a possible meaning) as a subliminal(which M studied in prison- he wanted to "program" society to start killing so his war would start) "message" to the blacks and the whites who were supposed to retaliate"...whitey is going to retaliate...and start shooting blacks. I can see it happening"M said.Tom ingeniously demonstrates that these characters could spell Allens' name.The kill count is given as 37-Mansons count was 35! Susan Aitkins said that there were 11 people that were killed by certain ones in the Family and that 'the police don't know about them';that is ,that the Family was the resposnsible.Davis was/is a prime suspect in several murders. Wonder if they were Zs!Z wanted his "note" in the paper and he even threatened the editor if it was'nt published!The importance of the "fuss"and his insistence to have his script printed is interesting.
|By Eduard Versluijs (Eduard) (1cust16.tnt14.rtm1.nl.uu.net - 220.127.116.11) on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 07:53 am:|
I just bought myself a copy of the exorcist-movie.
Why would Z. think it to be a satarical comedy?
Some scenes I could link to theories on this MB.
Here are the scenes:
The clock in the Iraq-office stops at 12:08 hours (radian theory?).
The doctor tells the mother that Regan's behavior is caused by brain-damage wich also could lead to criminal behavior (Kane-theory?).
The inspector thinks that a priest killed the first victim by throwing him off the stairs (religion-theory?).
On the belly of the possesed Regan appear (in scars) the words; HELP ME (Belli-letter?).
Just some thoughts.........
|By Dowland (Dowland) (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 08:19 am:|
I discussed this at some length in Dr. Zodiac, though I'd rather not have to
recapitulate the whole thing here. If you ask a literary expert what constitutes a tragedy
you're likely to get into a long discussion filled with arcane references to Platonic
philosophy and various other digressions that will put you to sleep faster than a good
dose of Nytol or four paragraphs of Gareth Penn's prose. The bottom line is, however, that
the experts have a very narrow definition of what constitutes a tragedy, and I don't think
that The Exorcist fits it.
|By Hugo (Hugo) (22.214.171.124) on Friday, October 27, 2000 - 03:06 pm:|
a quick observation:
I recently noticed a rather odd thing in the "Exorcist" letter, or rather, not in that letter. At no point does the writer refer to himself as Zodiac. The letter does not open with, "This is the Zodiac speaking," and it closes with the rather vague, "signed, yours truly."
Most curious is the "scorecard" at the bottom of the letter. In all other appearances of Z's "scorecard," he indicates his points with the Zodiac symbol. Here, instead, he writes only "Me."
I don't know what any of this implies, assuming it implies anything. I just find it a little strange that a narcissist like Z would not refer to himself explicitly. If anything, maybe this lends credence to the theory that the symbols at the bottom off the letter are some sort of cryptic signature.
|By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p98.as2.dungarvan1.eircom.net - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, November 28, 2000 - 10:21 am:|
Was'nt Manson incarcerated in a "Mcneill" prison
at some stage? I do not know which state.
|By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-mtc-ti024.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 05:43 pm:|
I was watching "The Ghosts of Gettysburg" (or something like that) on the History channel last night (ooooo). Anyhow a priest performed an exorcism on this purportedly haunted house and then marked it with what they said was the sign of an exorcism, a circle with a cross in the center.
|By Howard (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, January 08, 2001 - 11:59 pm:|
Lapumo-Yes,it was a federal prison. Manson was in the drama club and they did the Mikado. Mansons old counselor wrote to me with info on Manson at that early period.I showed the characters on the Exorcist note to an expert on Chinese and she told me it was not Chinese.I was easily able to arrange the mark which can read kill or knife.The recent Zebra stabbings got him worked up-blacks killing and stabbing whites!If you were linked with the Family that would bunch em'up!Hurley brought up a good point concerning the sign of an exorcism. The Dark Shadow series has one scene showing a cross/circle and it was suppossed be the "mark of the Devil".According to a DS buff that show came out in 1969.Also, Manson literally hated the Catholic priests(see My Life with Charles Manson by Paul Watkins) and constantly berated them.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-1.linkline.com - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 11:14 pm:|
Although I have posted on this letter 10/14/00 I would like to share some info on the
character at the bottom of the "note" as Zodiac calls it.
The character/s are supposed to have come from a Chinese soy sauce barrel that was in the possession of Kim Wendy Allen who was abducted and found murdered 3/5/72. She is a supposed murder victim of the Zodiac in the mind's of some.If this is so,then she is the first known Z victim that was raped, as the County of Sonoma Sheriff's Report states "sexual assault" and then evidence is presented!
Dave Peterson purchased a soy barrel identical to the one that was missing from Allen's person.We found the first word in the co.'s name of interest"KOON"!And most know our premise.
Anyway,I asked an expert in Chinese to see what opinion he could give concerning the character/s. He said that the large character looked like the word for evil or bad.The character next to it was a person/man with a head covering(hat/hood)and next to this the number 8.I saw, as did Dave Peterson,it as a double four as Zodiac comes out to a four in numerology and eight repeats and doubles the power.Some could see two future letters which would be mailed on the 8th:5/8/74 and 7/8/74 thus ending a letter series for that year.
In addition, to some other factors, including the ongoing Zebra Muslim killings in S.F. at that time; could Zodiac have been referring to LB when he used a knife(see my post 10/14/00 above)to attack and that he wore a hood-'evil man wearing a hood'? One character is Karma and the other is Joker as to raw meaning, but we gave the translated meanings already. Z was into dual meanings so we stay alert for them. This was just presented as a point of interest.
There was a"mail early in the day"stamp on the envelope(see the 1/29/74 letter in Tom's Letter Section).The Zebra killings and the start of the Revolution -it's now TIME?The stamp was an Eisenhower memorial and he was Supreme Commander of WWII forces in Europe-an interesting "program" if one was into such things.FYI of course!More later, I'll get enough flack on this much!
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max2-28.evansinet.com - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 12:43 pm:|
howard , have you referenced an ancient chinese book of wisdom, the : I Ching ? there
translations available,some more watered down than others. a great translation currently available is titled The Complete I Ching, by Alfred Huang.
in consideration of your above post , i would highly recommend this book as an addition to your library.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, April 09, 2001 - 06:00 pm:|
Zoe- I have several versions of the I Ching and some are better formatted than others.
My guy studied the occult and the I Ching was considered part of that world of interest. I
realize that its roots are ancient and that a Chinese scholar would take offense to
consider it just another faddist book of divination.
I know that Carl Jung studied the I Ching(Einstein was studying the Tarot cards as to the mathematical possibilities of the layout and the interpretive analysis in answer to a specific question)for about 25 years and that he would not do a session on a client unless he did their astrological chart! He utilized the Zenith or Equal Sector System considered the most ancient. He was quite knowledgeable in both disciplines. The scholars of yesteryear were all pretty much familiar with astrology and such works as the I Ching.
Zodiac may have studied the I Ching and knew of it's prestigious followers -including astrology- and felt he was in good company!
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max1-18.evansinet.com - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 07:52 pm:|
howard,please excuse my presumption. have you considered the signature on the exorcist
a reference to the i-ching? its interesting to work it backwards from the spring equinox.(like a thief)
what could be of such magnitude? although we will never really know who z is,maybe we will figure out what he did.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-128.linkline.com - 188.8.131.52) on Saturday, April 14, 2001 - 12:12 am:|
Zoe-I guess I was not clear. Yes, I looked into that possibility. I went through each section several times and did not find anything that seemed to match.There were some things that were interesting but no, in my view,links. I am completely open to suggestions on this matter though.
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max1-18.evansinet.com - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, April 22, 2001 - 06:28 pm:|
howard, i don't see a clear connection yet either.the iiching as you already know is
difficult to translate, so there are different translations with different spelling of the
gua and different meanings to a same word.further complicating the translation some of the
gua descriptions are from antiquated times, and have no words in modern chinese language.
however all translations should include one reference to the spring equinox at 51 zhen,
and the autumn equinox 58 dui .if you search equinox iching you'll likely run across some occult methods of "divination"
so i'm guessing your guy used the same method as crowley. if so we might have a signature that consist of parts of one two or three gua. do you happen to have an old mandarin translation chart? it might be interesting to see.
although any book of great influence can be manipulated for any purpose, the iching much like the bible is used primarily to promote virtuous living.
|By Eduard (Eduard) (hmm-dca-ap01-d12-120.dial.freesurf.nl - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 12:17 am:|
Last night I saw something interesting on the envelope of the Exorcist letter.
If you slightly turn the envelop and look at the clock on one of the the stamps you can see that the time is exactly the same time as what the time was on the clock that stopped in the Exorcist movie. Below you see the coparison between the stamp's clock slightly turned and the clock that stopped in the movie.
Was this planned?
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-68.linkline.com - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 12:34 am:|
Good and most interesting observation.