Dragon Card 4/28/70
Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Letters: Dragon Card 4/28/70
|By I M Sandwich (nick.sfpl.lib.ca.us - 220.127.116.11) on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 02:14 pm:|
I feel that Z's cards and letters contain a lot of unnoticed innuendo and wordplay. In the Dragon Card, for example, Z wrote: "I hope you enjoy your selves when I have my Blast." Everyone understook "Blast" to mean the bus bomb. I think Z's "Blast" referred to two other things as well: one is the card itself (a dragon traditionally breathes with a blast of fire) ;the other reference involves the "PS on back." On the back of the card Z wrote about wanting to see people wearing his "buton." Surely he couldn't have been serious! If you flop over the "b" in "buton" you get "puton," which is exactly what this is--a put-on. Z surely noticed the Jolly Roger brand on the back. I think it reminded him of something: there was a tradition at Belli's law office that whenever he won a big case he would go up to the roof, hoist a Jolly Roger, and blast off a cannon. I believe that these 3 elements of the Dragon Card (Blast,Melvin,Jolly Roger) constitute a clever put-on or mockery of Belli's victory celebrations.
|By Jennifer (Jackyl1) (58.gst.ont.cyberg8t.com - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 12:11 am:|
This is an old thread, so I hope someone notices this; I wouldn't want to start a
thread inappropriately, lest Tom chew my ass....just kidding.
Is there an actual picture of what was written on the back of the Dragon card? Or does anyone know what it said word for word? Jenn
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (ac893bb7.ipt.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 12:43 am:|
Jennifer, Graysmith's book should be on your must-have list.
|By Jennifer (Jackyl1) (162.157212.uia.net - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 09:48 am:|
I know!! It should be here day after tomorrow. But why is his book a must-have if it is so erroneous? Do you have any pics of the other side of the dragon card? Jenn
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-tb023.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 10:24 am:|
Jenn: for a very good reason. Despite its factual errors and fictionalized scenes and
evidence, Zodiac is probably still the best book out there that will give you a
feel for the case. Regardless, if it weren't for Graysmith popularizing Z after he'd been
all but forgotten, none of us would be here right now.
P.S. Just remember to weigh what you read in Zodiac against what you read here on this board, the main site, and other sites: Tom, Jake, Douglas, Howard and myself, among others, have access to actual file material, old newspaper stories, etc, so what you read there and hear from us here is basically the straight stuff.
|By Jennifer (Jackyl1) (55.gst.ont.cyberg8t.com - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 11:59 am:|
Okay. If Graysmith's new Z book comes out this year (or whenever), I wonder if he is going to revise or address the inaccuracies in his first book. Jenn
|By Alan Cabal (Alan) (spider-ta031.proxy.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 05:45 pm:|
A "buton" is also a component of the central nervous system.
|By Jake (Jake) (spider-wg021.proxy.aol.com - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 05:59 pm:|
I consulted Mr. Webster on this, to no avail. Then I tried a Google search on
"buton," and here's a sampling of what I got:
ButonNET - Kurumsal İnternet Hizmetleri
... Sorularınız, Önerileriniz için Kontakt adresimiz
: email@example.com. Copyright © 2000 Buton ...
www.buton.net.tr/ - 8k - Cached - Similar pages
Buton - When Quality Matters!
BUTON Elektronik, Bilgisayar ve İletişim Sistemleri
San.Tic.Ltd.Şti. Browser'ınızın ...
www.buton.com.tr/ - 2k - Cached - Similar pages
webbank - Buton
ANA SAYFA. WEB ARAÇLARI. Font. Arkaplan. Buton. Hareketli
Resimler. Midi. Duvar Kağıdı. Fotoğraflar. ...
www.omnisturk.com/web/webar/buton/index.shtml - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
Buton - Software Development and Internet Solutions - When ...
BUTON Electronics, Computers & Communications Ltd.
Your Browser does not support Frames ...
www2.buton.com.tr/ - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
de en nl ru * buton/o. * butono. 1. Plata a? globforma
peceto ... florkapeto. buton(um)i. (tr) Kunigi per butonoj ...
www.uni-leipzig.de/esperanto/voko/revo/art/buton.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
Bedava butonlar - free buttons
members.nbci.com/bilgicom/sayfalar/bedava/buton/buton.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
Pengusaha Kapal Diminta Tak Turunkan Penumpang di Buton
DAMAI LANGGENG. ... Halaman Depan. Berita Terkini,Kamis, 21/12/2000 Pengusaha
Kapal Diminta Tak Turunkan Penumpang di Buton ...
www.riaupos-online.com/terkini/0012211639.htm - 8k - Cached - Similar pages
eli kola getiriniz
... olgun radyo: (ham radio sux!) acik radyo odtu favoriler:
cok ek$i site armagan'in fakirhanesi ...
members.theglobe.com/buton/space/default.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
So who's got the buton?
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."
|By Hurley (Hurley) (spider-wn081.proxy.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 07:13 pm:|
That's the best d*mn research I've seen in a long time...way to go Jake!
|By Jake (Jake) (spider-mtc-th074.proxy.aol.com - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 09:13 pm:|
I almost went for the gold and hit Alta Vista, too, but I didn't want to seem like a
Seriously, from what I gather, Buton is in Indonesia -- didn't "Barnett," Bates' alleged killer, move to Indonesia?
"This is the Zodiac Speaking..."
|By Alan Cabal (Alan) (spider-wn013.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 01:59 pm:|
A buton is a component in the transmission of signal from one nerve cell to another.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (spider-ntc-tc081.proxy.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 09:23 pm:|
Are we talking neurotransmitters here?
|By Alan Cabal (Alan) (spider-wn064.proxy.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 07:50 am:|
And receptors, yes.
|By Terri H (Terri) (dhcp065-024-048-076.columbus.rr.com - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 08:41 pm:|
The capitals and lower case letters mixed in on the Bates letters #2 and #3 (mainly #2). This is the same on the dragon card (not the handwriting but what the card is actually saying) and it even has a little dot in one of the R's like the dot that is in the O in the word "to" - desk top poem. Could you make up your own cards like that back then? Has it already been determined that Z illustrated his own greeting cards?
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-3.linkline.com - 22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 02:08 am:|
Terri-Zodiac did paste on a pumpkin and skeleton on his Halloween card 10/27/70. The
postcard of 10/5/70 had cutouts glued on but, of course, it was a plain card to begin
with. If the 12/10/69 pasteup to the Sac Bee newspaper is Zodiac's(I believe it is -it's
from an astrological magazine)then we have a self created card of sorts. If the Pine card
3/22/71 be Z's-and I firmly believe it is -then another work of pasteup art is Z's.
For years some have made their own cards and they sold kits, but the Dripping pen ,Dragon and Halloween cards were produced by either American Greetings/Dripping pen-the Jester's/Forget Me Not/American Greeting line or Gibson /Halloween card and the International Greetings /Jolly Roger line /Dragon card.Det. Toschi checked on the cards on his own time and found they were cards that one could purchase at any retail store.
Your observation of the Dragon card lettering is good!Note one of the y's on the second BY first row and down in the Halloween card and the n in Knife-different!Message?
|By Terri H (Terri) (dhcp065-024-048-076.columbus.rr.com - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 03:54 pm:|
Maybe there is a message throughout from beginning to end (of all the writings). Even
if the words are scrambled, backward, upside down, whatever. I say the following with tone
so don't take me wrong:
Z wanted everyone to have fun with these things. How unselfish of him.
|By Terri H (Terri) (dhcp065-024-048-076.columbus.rr.com - 188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 04:10 pm:|
In your opinion, what do you think of Det. Toschi's work? Before, during, and after this case?
If he did this on his own time, was it actually done during the time of the investigation and the information recorded on any type of official report or documentation related to the case?
|By Terri H (Terri) (dhcp065-024-048-076.columbus.rr.com - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 04:19 pm:|
One other question about the cards. Were there any companies around say, a 100 mile radius of the San Francisco Bay area that represent any of the cards sent by Z? I am just wondering how thoroughly each possible idea was checked out. Z liked to do such creative things. I have not known any man to be so much like a Martha Stewart.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (ac8981bf.ipt.aol.com - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 05:47 pm:|
Terri, this is a thread about the Dragon Card. If you have a question for Howard, you can e-mail him.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 08:50 pm:|
Terri- I already answered those questions.E me if you want more info as Tom says.
A quick note.I hope people realize that Tom is the Web Master and he is just trying to run his site-that he pays for-in the way he deems wise.He ALLOWS us on HIS site and I, for one, really appreciate it! He isn't out to get anyone-unless they are not complying with the guidelines in the introdution of this posting area.Some get offended ,but what I said applies. We can all share and comment and even have a little fun, but if it gets out of hand................Tom loves these!
|By Terri H (Terri) (dhcp065-024-048-076.columbus.rr.com - 22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 10:29 pm:|
I am sorry Tom. I got swept away in the moment. Back to the Dragon Card. If I only had the real thing to look at! Anyway, be patient and read through this with an open mind.
eyes - tired and sad looking eyes.
tail - is a devilish, shovel-like triangle and seems was grandpa's route to his perch. I think he had to climb the rocky stairs to mount his old and tired junker dragon. Inside the 3rd and 4th triangles (starting from the end of the tail) are what looks to be the number 6 in each. There you have that 66 thing again.
The dragon's right rear foot only has 3 claws visible.
grandpa - looks like a grandpa (white hair and mustache and beard). I couldn't see his hand/s real well if at all. If it was a hand that I saw, it looked like fingers were missing.
saddle tie - looks as though it has a very faint horizontal line going through it which made me think of planks of wood.
grandpa doesn't have a whole lot on him/his dragon whereas the younger man appears to be "combat ready"!
The Donkey: This donkey looks more like a sad dog instead, even though the ears look correct for a mule. A donkey has a longer face, more like a horse than a dog. The donkey's hair on it's head looks like hay was thrown on it. I don't believe there are any donkeys that have that much hair on their heads like depicted. The donkey looks like it may be wearing feminine shoes of some kind. A miniature jennet I suppose. Also the man mounted on the donkey is wearing a polka dot scarf (16 polka dots in case you were wondering)? This strikes me as a bit odd. (a man wearing a polka dot scarf I mean).
The rider on the donkey has an unkempt appearance like the old man. Although he has dark hair, dark eyes and a dark mustache, he has what looks like a white beard similar to the old man. He has a big round head and a foot that is bigger and wider than is proportionate...speaking of which, his head and left foot is not proportionate to the rest of his body. He is on the short side with a pudgy belly.
square box with cross on it (or x on it depending on how you are looking at it I guess) - Could it be a first aid kit? Maybe a Swiss Army tool box (if there was such a thing). Swiss Army's biggest products I think were watches and knives.
Slightly above the square box is something round. At first I took it to be a measuring tape, then I thought it could be a pulley device or even a fishing pole.
sleep roll could be just that or carpet pad rolled up.
donkey tail - looks like a paint brush OR a stick with a mop head on it.
Both men are carrying pics like miners. Their hats look like houses. Although, instead of grandpa's chimney with smoke coming out of it, could just be his other boot turned over on top of his head. I cannot make out what is on the old man's boot, if anything at all. Up by where grandpa's hands are supposed to be (on the reigns) I can see an outline of some kind of tool. A pitchfork or hoe perhaps.
The Dragon Card has a full moon on it (I'm sure that everyone noticed that already). Something else that was clever was the left hind leg on the donkey resembles the planet Saturn.
The D in Dragon is more pronounced than the other letters around it.
And finally, this is probably the most unusual thing that was noticed. A rat in the front portion of the dragons head out toward the nose. If you look real close, it looks like a rat. "I smell a rat!" Now how coincidental that you could make something like this out around the nostrils...smell? If this wasn't intentional...I suppose I'm going to get a lot of wise crack feedback. Anyway, it's either a rat or a bat or nothing.
Eduard, this is for you - we may have a little bat wing activity on grandpa's chest also. ;)
Please remember that these are only suggestive perceptive visuals made by looking at the Dragon Card from this website. These things could just totally be imaginary on my part because I'm seeing things that may not exist on the original card.