Bus-Bomb letter


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Letters: Bus-Bomb letter

By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p232.as1.clonmel1.eircom.net - 159.134.150.232) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 03:22 pm:

Considering the Crossed Circle symbol in this letter,with the five "X'S" marked around the circumference.Taken at face value would this not suggest that there was five murder sites?

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (183.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.183) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 04:19 pm:

Either that or the Xs were clues to the ciphers.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-wg084.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.196.59) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 06:17 pm:

Lampumo,
Dave Peterson demonstrated that the X's on the Z Cross were the murder dates.This info is given in my book.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 08:39 pm:

Bus-Bomb

That's what I thought it was. Isn't that what the Mt Diablo and radian thing is all about. The circle looks like it's divided with notches and X's like a clock is set up. Some bombs use clocks.

I know Allen was in jail at the time, but is it possible that the Chowchilla school bus kidnapping may have been the Zodiac or a copycat of the Zodiac? I have made some comparisons to the real Zodiac Letters. The three kidnappers are still serving a life sentence in prison.

Bus-Bomb Letter
"ammonium nitrate fertilizer" acronym: anf or fan, which was used to ventilate the underground moving van.
"1 gal. of stove oil" - The kidnappers carried their own fuel, which they used for their long drive.
gravel - Victims buried in the California Rock and Gravel quarry.
"I will positivily ventalate anything that should be in the way of the blast." - The underground grave (gravel) was ventilated using a battery operated fan.

Belli Letter
"At the moment the children are safe from the bomb because it is so massive to dig in ..."
Driver and children buried underground in a trailer/moving van.

Zodiac-Button Letter
"by anilating a full school buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way." The Dairyland School only had one more day of summer school left. Rather than using a bomb, the children were buried in a living tomb. This reminds me of how Scorpio in Dirty Harry buried the young girl for ransom. The word that spell-check prompts me to replace "anilating" with is "animating." There is the comic strip connection. Annihilate is the correct spelling.

"The map coupled with this code will tell you where the bomb is set. You will have untill next fall to dig it up." Fall is when the school year begins.

The county sheriff's name was Ed Bates. Same last name as Cheri Bates.

The story, from which I referenced is at this link: http://www.sparshbazaar.com/ts_kidnapped.html

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 09:21 pm:

I looked Chowchilla and Livermore up on a map, and if in the Bus-Bomb Letter on the crossed circle, you make the X at the 6 O'clock position Chowchilla, then Livermore would be closest to the X at the 10 O'clock position, with San Joaquin as the intersection of the crossed axes.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy1-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.112) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:11 pm:

Bookworm, wasn't one of the female victims wearing some type of lace? If you hold your breath for 2 minutes while squinting one eye and looking through a shot glass with the other eye at a picture of Arthur Leigh Allen he sort of looks like The Big Bopper who sang "Chantilly Lace". Therefore, the bomb must be located in Chantilly, WV. Just kidding Bookworm. Some of your 10/13 8:39pm seems pretty far fetched and I couldn't resist.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (acb4d7de.ipt.aol.com - 172.180.215.222) on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 11:23 pm:

Esau, only "some" of Bookworm's post seemed farfetched to you?

Bookworm, I doubt Zodiac was motivated by the Spellchecker.

By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p183.as1.clonmel1.eircom.net - 159.134.150.183) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 07:18 am:

Dates and/or murder sites,same thing as far a my point goes...BRS,LHR,LB,SF..4 confirmed.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 06:37 pm:

Lapumo, the letters could be like a template to use in many different ways. When you say lace, do you mean the lace up my sleeve? Watch the card game at the beginning of Interview with the Vampire, and the very end where lace is pulled out of (Tom Cruise's)sleeve.

Actually, the town closest to the center of the axes, from where you would go west is Manteca.

Now rearrange the word, and you can get Man teac(her.) Allen was a "man teacher." What if Allen wrote the letters, but he had accomplices to do the actual kidnapping.

Tom & Esau, be patient now, I'm working on some more detail from the cipher at the end of the Zodiac-Button Letter. So far I've found Chowchilla in the cipher.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 03:12 pm:

The name of the last child to be dropped off the bus, before the hijacking, began with Z.

Zodiac begins with Z. Research was probably done, so it may have been planned that way.

Not only that Allen, was in prison for child molesting (school children.) The bus driver was left in his underwear with the kids by the kidnappers. That with the man teac(her)may have represented Allen.

The bus was hidden in tall bamboo. Bam! sounds like and explosion, and boo! is to scare. No bomb, just another way to punish as the Zodiac says in his letter.

It's possible the kidnappers just used Allen's ideas. Since he was in prison, they surely couldn't try to implicate him.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (proxy2-external.epotlnd1.or.home.com - 24.4.255.69) on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 03:38 pm:

Bookworm, we aren't equipped to give you the help you need here.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy1-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.112) on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 10:32 pm:

Bookworm, run the characters "teac(her)" in your above post through a bebbole machine and I think you'll be blown away by what you find.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 02:47 pm:

I know it sounds silly, but Kaczynski thought he was funny when he wrote in a note in one of his bombs. "Wu--It works! I told you it would. R.V."

More coincidence:
>Day of child molesting - Thursday
Day of bus hijacking - Thursday

>Date of molesting - a Thursday between July 11th and July 25th.
Date of hijacking - July 15th.

>Molestation took place in Allen's trailer.
Kidnap victims hidden underground in a large trailer of a moving van.

Zodiac-Button Letter: "You will have untill next fall to dig it(bomb) up."
>Date of molestation police report - September 23
First day of Fall September 22 or 23.

>Livermore and Valley Springs are within 1 mile, the same distance from Manteca, as the crow flies.

By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-19-220.bos.east.verizon.net - 141.154.19.220) on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 07:34 am:

Could someone, anyone, with a real background in statistics and logic please jump in here and light a candle in this darkness?

Howard: Also sorry to see you go.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 07:06 pm:

Let me make the significance of the molestation dates clearer. On p.4 of the Sheriff's report, it said that the molestation took place on a Thursday in July, after the 4th and before the first of August. In 1974, the Thursdays would be July 11, July 18, and July 25. In 1976, the kidnapping occurred on July 15th, which was a Thursday.

Manteca = Man teac(her,) her are the first three letters of the 340 Cipher.

July 15 = 7/15, if you treat it like a coordinate in the 340 Cipher, go down 7 and over 15, the symbol is the Zodiac sign. Zodiac wanted to punish everyone for not wearing Zodiac buttons.

My Name is... Letter: " I hope you do not think that I was the one who wiped out that blue meannie with a bomb at the cop station." Then he talks about the school children again.

According to Graysmith's book, on p. 145, it says the bombing of the Golden Gate Park police station, occurred on February 16, 1970, in San Francisco. 2/16. Reverse that and you have 612. Coordinate 6,12 is the scratched out symbol, replaced with the backward K. The only mistake in the whole cipher.

The scratched out symbol, K = I. The letter above K(I) is P, and below is G, which spells PIG. A bad slang word for cops.

F follows the scratched out symbol. F=S, San Francisco. Golden Gate = G G, which is the seventh letter of the alphabet, so G G = 77. Look up coordinate 7,7. There is only one other symbol like this at the end of the cipher, next to the + sign. 7,7 is directly under O. Put the + and O together and you have the Zodiac symbol.

The first letter of the 6th row is a backward P, which could stand for Park. So at one end you have Park, and the other end you have San Francisco, and exactly in the middle and below O, is 7,7 or Golden Gate. Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. Manteca is a little below, and also exactly (within a mile) between Livermore and Valley Springs.

Also, in the Scorpio Constellation, the "head" is from coordinates 6,1 to 6,11, with the word COP(backwards,) with the O being the one above 7,7 (Golden Gate.) The sentence before the "blue meannie" is "I am mildly cerous as to how much money you have on my 'head' now."

Finally, speaking of heads, at the bottom of the Exorcist letter, the symbols look like the backward K, F, >(turned 45degrees), at coordinates (6,12) (6,13) (6,14.) The other "line" to the left of the F, looks like the - symbol at coordinate (6,8,) turned 45 degrees. I think Tom had these symbols worked out to be Allens name (a signature?)

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-37.linkline.com - 64.30.217.37) on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 11:07 pm:

Methinks Garth(and I don't mean Brooks) has returned in spades!

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 12:22 pm:

The Chowchilla children could be compared to treasure by the kidnappers. They were seeking $5 million in ransom. Snow and gravel are both white in appearance. There is a theme of "100 years." Even in prison could Allen have been behind it?

>Snow - There is a 100-year difference between the Sullivan hymn and the Chowchilla kidnapping.
Compare: "around in the snow" and "X is in snow. Find" Pirates usually mark treasure with an X.
http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/other_sullivan/christmas/index.html
>> A Sullivan Christmas hymn - "Upon the Snow-clad Earth" of 1876.
>>The Chowchilla kidnapping - July 15, 1976.


There is a ten-year difference between Cherie Bates's murder and the Chowchilla kidnapping. There is a ninety-year difference in Sullivan birth and "The Gold-Bug," and 32 and Allen birth year. Ten years short of 100 years. Isn't "tenure" a teacher occupational term? Also, the center point of the treasure is located 100 feet from the Tulip Tree.

>The Words "Sierra Club" is pasted from a tree, like a branch, above the snow.
Compare: The Mikado bird falls from the tree, and the gold bug is dropped from a tree. "The Gold-Bug" preceded "The Mikado."

In Poe's story, shrubbery is cleared away with a scythe, in anticipation of the drop of the bug from the tree, to be marked with a stake (like the one's used to kill vampire bats.) Could the moon shapes on Halloween card be scythes? Also Sullivan wrote the tune "Paradise," like what's written on the same card. Notice the acrostic style of "Paradise" and "slaves" is like that of "Chowchilla and Livermore." Cherie Bates was killed about October 31st, Halloween.
http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/hymns/index.html

http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/html/sullivan2.html
>>Arthur Sullivan - born May 13, 1842. 43 years old when he wrote the music for "The Mikado(1885.)" Gilbert wrote the opera.
http://www.eapoe.org/works/tales/goldbga3.htm
>>Poe - "The Gold-Bug" July 12, 1843.*

>>Some relevance is found by this message board of the number 32 to Zodiac (Search "32")
>>Arthur Leigh Allen was born December 18, 1933 (Zodiackiller.com)

*A Note: In the first illustration, where the treasure is found, you see a dog, but it also looks like a pig, standing on its hind legs.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 08:47 pm:

Here is something interesting - There is a town just about 10 miles NE of Chowchilla, by the name of Le Grand. The town was named after William Le Grand Dickinson. The main character is Poe's "The Gold-Bug" is William Le Grand.

Also, normally when someone speaks of having a grand, it means a $1000. Livermore, where the children and driver were buried, is at approximately the 10:00 position (see my October 13, 2001 - 09:21 pm post on this thread.)

By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-17-150.bos.east.verizon.net - 141.154.17.150) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 08:33 am:

Good Example of the Seven Degrees principle, Bookworm. See Esau's resopnse to your 10/13 post. Any two points on a plane can be positioned at any number of pairs of points on some circle. Unless there is some significance to the intersection at San Joaquin, AND to the 10 and six positions on that circle, then the occurance of the two locations at those particular points on your circle is meaningless.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 03:45 pm:

In Poe's story, the pirate map had a picture of a "death's head*" (skull) in one corner. The other corner, diagonal to the skull on the map was a picture of a kid (goat,), which Le Grand took as the signature of Captain Kidd (the pirate.)

Zodiac refers to children as "cids." The two towns Le Grand and Chowchilla could be considered the eyes of the skull. The "cids" temporarily buried at Livermore would represent the kid or goat signature.

Not only that, the trek to the Tulip Tree and treasure, took Le Grand and associates 2 hrs.. I did a trip route with my trip planner from Chowchilla to Livermore. One way, on main highways, it took 2 hrs. 5 mins., and the shortest but old roads, took 2 hrs. 35mins.. It's the same timing too.

*Death's head - Zodiac had a "death-machine.

By Peter H (Peter_H) (pool-141-154-17-26.bos.east.verizon.net - 141.154.17.26) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:13 am:

Sheesh. Move over , Jake, I need the fainting couch.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (ac84dccd.ipt.aol.com - 172.132.220.205) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:40 pm:

I think "manteca" should be understood in the literal sense. In Spanish, manteca means "lard" or "grease." Either the reference is to Z himself, as in being a "lard-ass," ie, fat (Allen???), or to "Grease" (the musical, since the movie didn't come out till around 1978, two years after Chowchilla). Maybe Z fancied himself to be like the lead character (sorry, didn't see the movie, don't know the names, but the lead was played by John Travolta in the movie).

By Jake (Jake) (spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com - 152.163.213.214) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 04:31 pm:

"Manteca" is also hispanic street slang for heroin, at least in NY and LA. One may "shoot" heroin. The Zodiac shot people. Heroin is also called "dope," which I feel like for contributing to this thread.

--Jake
http://www.ZodiacSpeaking.com

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 05:42 pm:

Yes, Ed, you are right. But the name was a mistake. It was supposed to be Monteca. Here is the reference link: http://www.manteca.org/InfoAboutManteca/History.htm

I plugged lard into the Alta Vista translator and it came up "manteca de cerdo" which means "butter of pig" We know Zodiac used the term "Pig" in reference to cops.

Manteca by itself means "butter" (butt er?) Goats and kids(baby goats) butt.

Livermore rhymes with Nevermore in Poe's poem "The Raven." Maybe rather than perching upon a "bust of Pallas," in "The Raven," the Raven perches upon the skull. The "Kidd" signature would be diagonal, as the crow (Raven)flies to the skull.

The last line of of the poem reads: "And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor/ Shall be lifted - nevermore." A shadow is cast by the Raven from the two towns (skull)to Livermore.

There was a heavy iron cover over the hole in the ground, four feet down, where the kidnap victims were buried. Batteries were set on top to weight it down, with a second boxed wood cover (room-like) over that, then a filled in with a couple feet of dirt.

Fortunately, the bus driver and some of the older boys, got the lid off, and broke through the rest.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy1-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.112) on Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:56 pm:

There is a connection Bookworm.
Allen was fat and he liked his "chow".
Allen claimed to be stationed on a US Navy refrigerator ship (chiller or chilla).
One of the kidnappers was named Schonefield.
Allen was once "shown in a field".
Keep it coming because enjoy reading your helpful theories.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 02:36 pm:

There was actually a Captain Kidd treasure and maps, which were found in some of his old funiture around 1930 or so. Link: http://www.pfrh.supanet.com/

There is a website of a Paul Hawkins, who feels he has located the island and the possible spot where the treasure is buried. On his site, is a letter by Kidd just before he was hung, saying he had treasure in the Indies.

The map could be a clue concerning the Chowchilla kidnapping. On the map, is marked the China Sea. The island itself is crescent shaped like the crescent shaped figures on the bottom of the Halloween Card. Map: http://www.pfrh.supanet.com/images/edmundkey.JPG

The Chowchilla bus was hidden in bamboo, and the Officer on duty was Sgt. Cooley was an officer on the scene. The kidnappers could have known who would be on duty. Coolies and bamboo are Chinese.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy2-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.113) on Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 10:42 pm:

The bebbole thing is starting make sense now.

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-40.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.40) on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 06:25 am:

Aaaaarrrghhh.

By Eduard (Eduard) (145.89.224.166) on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 07:57 am:

Hey, wait a minute!!!
Bookworm was a vilain of the 60's Batman TV-show.
Could it be that Bookworm actually is.....???Naaaahhhhh!!!!

Eduard
"The Zodiac-Batman Connection"

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 02:26 pm:

I can't be too far off. After all, Gilbert wrote the Pirates of Penzance.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy1-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.112) on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 10:48 pm:

Gilbert = Gill = Fish....
Penzance = Penz = Pennsylvania....
Zodiac HAD to have been the "Fish That Saved Pittsburgh".

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-ntc-tc052.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.17.42) on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 12:33 pm:

Cheri means darling in French, hmmmm -- later victim Darlene, Bryan has Hart (heart). Z is love sick!!
Oh but then Paul was the apostle who used to be the bad Saul, then found Christ, I get it. After he killed Paul he thus became "Paul", never to kill again as he accepted Jesus.
I can do it too Book.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb7b74a.ipt.aol.com - 172.183.183.74) on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 09:25 pm:

Can we start a thread entitled something like "Weird Bookworm-like theories"? I know... let's call it, "The Bebbole Theory Machine."

By William Baker (Bill_Baker) (1cust183.tnt1.santa-maria.ca.da.uu.net - 63.28.219.183) on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 10:34 pm:

Ed, I think Bookworm is experiencing the zynchronicity syndrome, either on steroids or halucinogens.

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 05:00 pm:

Peppermint, pirates, Herb Caen.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/JohnsLetter2.html
"All people who eat pepermint and phomfit in your face" Acronyms in reverse could be cryptic.
Face Your In = FYI, For Your Information
Phomfit And Pepermint Eat Who People All. = PA PEW PA.

PA=Paul Avery or Pacific/ Atlantic, or Pennsylvania. If this is Kaczynski, PA could be Professor Angelakos, who was targeted twice by the Unabomber, with a span (bridge) of about 3 years between the two bombings.

PEW is in the middle of PA ...PA (which could represent two ends of a bridge.)
Pew is the name of a blind old pirate in the book "Treasure Island" by Robert Louis Stevenson.
http://ferncanyonpress.com/pirates/treasure/island.shtml

PA PEW PA = Treasure Island/Yerba Buena Island, CA., in the middle of the Bay Bridge.
Yerba Buena Island is natural and associated with pirates a long time ago; the other is Treasure Island, which is man-made.

The name "Treasure Island" refers to the gold-laden fill dirt that washed down from the Sierras into the Bay, from which fill was dredged to create the island.

Yerba Buena means "good herb" for the mint plants (pepermint) growing on the island, used by the pirates for their tea. http://www.ci.sf.ca.us/treasureisland/history.htm Because Pew was blind, he used a stick or walking cane. So we could have Herb Caen.

As we know Graysmith said that the first words in the 340 cipher are "Herb Caen."

Finally, one of the Chowchilla kidnappers, Frederick Woods, used a fake name "Ralph Lester Snider" for a passport to Canada. The initials would be RLS, the same as Robert Louis Stevenson.(Time, Aug.9, 1976*)

The real Ralph Lester Snider, was a six year old boy who died in a car accident in 1960.(*) There was a young boy in "Treasure Island," though I'm sure not as young. I haven't read the book.

By Esau (Esau) (proxy1-external.scrmnt1.ca.home.com - 24.4.254.112) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 07:36 pm:

Tom, is there any way to block a specific person's posts? I've checked and I can't seem to find a way to do that on this board.
By the way, OCD can be easily treated with medication.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (proxy2-external.epotlnd1.or.home.com - 24.4.255.69) on Monday, November 05, 2001 - 07:46 pm:

Bookworm won't be posting anymore, at least not for a few weeks.

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (206.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 12.90.16.206) on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 01:33 am:

Yet Gareth Penn still has a following.

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.50) on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 07:47 am:

Tom wrote: Bookworm won't be posting anymore, at least not for a few weeks.

LOL, I must say that you have shown an amazing amount of patience and personal restraint with that fellow! Wow, talk about stream-of-consciousness thinking . . . I wonder if he is related to Jack Kerouac?

Esau wrote: If you hold your breath for 2 minutes while squinting one eye and looking through a shot glass with the other eye at a picture of Arthur Leigh Allen he sort of looks like The Big Bopper who sang "Chantilly Lace".

I tried this, but I must have not timed it correctly because he (ALA) ended up looking like Rob Halford of Judas Priest singing "Diamonds and Rust” to me.

Curt,
Labyrinth13

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb64d31.ipt.aol.com - 172.182.77.49) on Tuesday, January 22, 2002 - 01:44 pm:

In the second bus bomb letter (4-20-1970), Z uses the curious word "cerous," which has been mentioned a few times before. He also uses the word "cid" for "kid" (presumably), and that's always made me wonder. It just occurred to me a day or two ago that CID is an acronym for Criminal Investigation Department (Division?). El Cid is also a 1961 movie starring Charlton Heston. So, was it a simple spelling mistake (highly unlikely), a purposeful spelling mistake with a random word (very likely), or a subtle reference to the CID or the movie for some obscure reason?

By Ray N (Ray_N) (user-38lddt9.dialup.mindspring.com - 209.86.183.169) on Tuesday, January 22, 2002 - 09:20 pm:

Thank you Tom, you have taken an unfortunately necessary step. Any chance "a few" might mean thirty or forty?

By Ed N (Ed_N) (ac99f4eb.ipt.aol.com - 172.153.244.235) on Tuesday, January 22, 2002 - 10:12 pm:

Ten weeks and counting...

By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - 12.246.187.137) on Tuesday, January 22, 2002 - 10:48 pm:

EdN...edn...end.... The end of Bookworm's posting.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb519ec.ipt.aol.com - 172.181.25.236) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 11:26 am:

Jake made a passing reference to El Cid in a post on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 07:41 pm. I'd forgotten about that one, especially since it didn't seem to stir up any conversation (I was the very next person to post, and I didn't really comment on it either! lol). Perhaps because he mentioned it was "Spanish literature" and I didn't recall then that it was a film also, which was more Z's style...

By Eduard (Eduard) (1cust58.tnt15.rtm1.nl.uu.net - 213.116.124.58) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 11:48 am:

Spanish! Mmmm, weren't there notes written in Spanish in Ted K's cabin?

Eduard

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (proxy-dover.mednet.af.mil - 199.251.67.253) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 12:43 pm:

Kaczynski was fluent in Spanish. I'm not sure whether this is relevant or not, but one of the people he most admired was Pancho Villa.

By Eduard (Eduard) (1cust161.tnt15.rtm1.nl.uu.net - 213.116.124.161) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 02:11 pm:

One of the inspirations leading to the creation of Batman was a silent movie about Zorro.
Zorro spoke Spanish as well.

Eduard

P.S. And Zorro used a "Z".

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb4d97c.ipt.aol.com - 172.180.217.124) on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 02:37 pm:

Zorro was Spanish. He just lived in 1820's California. I wasn't aware of the inspiration for Batman, but I'm not surprised, as both are quite similar in certain regards.

By Ricardo (Ricardo) (user-38ldu5l.dialup.mindspring.com - 209.86.248.181) on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 06:53 pm:

Following up regarding the Zodiac's odd spelling of "cid", has anyone ever mentioned that "cid" and "cida" are Latin words meaning "kill"?

This would also seem to correlate with the SLA letter.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 12.231.193.32) on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 07:12 pm:

Good job, Ricardo. That's news to me.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (host-66-81-30-245.rev.o1.com - 66.81.30.245) on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 02:10 am:

Ricardo,
Good thought!Of course,Zs reference to 'old Norse'in the SLA note, indicates another language and rough meaning.See posts on the SLA missive.I received my copy from Zodiac expert,Dave Peterson,who frimly believed it was written by Zodiac.I printed both the note and the envelope in my book.