A Valentine from Zodiac?


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By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 64.30.209.40) on Friday, February 08, 2002 - 12:23 pm:

Valentines Day is coming up and I think it is a good time to discuss the'74 SLA note.I would like to discuss some of the reasons I think it is a genuine communication from Zodiac.The hand printing on the envelope,is like Zodiacs in many ways ,as is the note itself.It was sent on the 14th or Valentines Day a 'special' day reconized by many.If it be a Z strike ,which I firmly believe it was,then Halloween Eve(note Zs later reconition of Halloween in the 1970 card)was when Bates was killed in'66,so this would be another special day.We recall Z's '68 attack which he called Christmas and '69 letter to Belli in which Z wished him merry Christmas and a happy New Year -two special days.July 4/5 '69 which Z called Fourth of July or Independence Day.September 27th '69 at LB was as Sandy correctly pointed out, was the Feast of Tabernacles a notable Jewish holiday.Stine was killed on Columbus day in '69.Kathleen Johns was abducted on Palm Sunday in '70.Zs letters,as GS points out, were mailed on the first and last Day of Passover in April of '70.Now, we have a Valentine note from "a friend'!It is addressed to the Editor(Z used Sirs in his Citizen letter-here he uses mr.) which is common for Zodiac.The Feb.'74 note was triggered by the then recent SLA black led abduction of Patty Hearst.The same was true with the Jan.'74 Excorcist note, which Z was ,no doubt, stimulated to write because of the recent black Muslim killings of whites(the "Zebra murders in S.F.).The stamp Z selected was an Eisenhower eight cent stamp.The Excorcist note written just a short time before the Feb. note has the same kind of stamp.See my posts on Zs selection of 'military'/presidential stamps/places like{Gen.} Vallejo/(Gen.} Alford Pleasanton-letter postmark.The note is similar in tone to the'74 CitiZen letter which is non threantening.The attempt to see a 'hidden' meaning of sorts in SLA in a Norse word is very Z like.Peterson believed, from his research, that the SLA note was written by Zodiac.More later.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb4497d.ipt.aol.com - 172.180.73.125) on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:13 am:

28 years ago today, the infamous SLA letter was mailed...

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 64.30.209.40) on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 02:17 pm:

Happy Valentines Day! Guess Zodiac wanted to send greetings in 1974 Ed.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acb477ae.ipt.aol.com - 172.180.119.174) on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 03:00 pm:

It's interesting to note that, in early 1981, when Penn first approached Ken Narlow with his radian "theory," he claimed that Narlow "had read [him] several Zodiac letters to see whether or not he could get a rise out of [him]" (Times 17, p. 299); one of those letters was the SLA letter. As Penn wrote:

I had told Narlow that I had taken every unit of instruction in Old Norse offered at a couple of universities, which probably heightened his suspicion of me. Of course, I added, while there is such a verb, it does not mean what the Zodiac says it means. Sla means "to beat," "to strike," not "to kill." But it is cognate with our verb "slay" -- which does mean "kill."

Penn claimed that he then checked every library in SF, Napa and Solano counties (where Z had killed), plus Berkeley, and discovered that there were only five books from which Z might have gleaned that factoid (p. 300).

This is interesting for two reasons: first, out of all the Z suspects, only Penn (as far as I know), by his own admission, knew Old Norse. Penn admitted he became a Z suspect in early 1981 (p. 29).

Second, on page 31, Penn conveniently and conspicuously neglected to provide the title of the book in which he claimed he discovered Z's true identity (the one thing that might have actually helped his case against O'Hare), and yet he searched for, discovered and listed the only five books in four counties that Z might have had access to in order for him to discover that "sla" just happened to be a word in Old Norse as well as being acronymic for "Symbionese Liberation Army."

Doesn't make sense, does it? Penn knew Old Norse, and allegedly took the trouble in finding the only five books Z might have referenced, yet ignores the cornerstone of his own theory. He seems to delight in throwing suspicion upon himself (regardless of whether Z got the meaning of "sla" right or not). One is forced to wonder, why?

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 08:18 pm:

Well I was going to post this message on the Cipher discussion but since we are talking about Valentines day, here goes:

Hi Folks: One approach to solving the 340 is to search for Zodiac-like words in the cleartext, as you begin to decrypt it. Purely as an amusing exersise, I chose to try to decrypt the cipher using words very different from those we would expect Z to use, just to see what I could get. The following is offered as a treat to you all:

Suppose We use this (cleartext) key:

O V N S E O I K D S N N P K S I I H B A D K A I Y L L M T H U K S I E S G I S Y E D G U A E R K S I P T T E A O I ? E E ? T N

To stand for these Zodiac (cipher) Characters:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P R S T U V W X Y Z 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 p l k d f y c j q b t z ( ) > ^ + . < - / # _ @ \ % & ; :

Then, the exact translation (no anagramming ) of the cipher is shown
below, followed by my interpretation. Letters in (Parenthesis) are
not included in the decryption. They may encode a 2nd as yet unknown
layer....


K E I S E S I D I G D L N B I L I
K E P V R O S E S K I T T E N S K
V Y N E P P A Y I K R K N O E K S
H E E K I S S E D M E S P P I N L
I I P P E A D I D H O I P ? T G A
E S I I O S S E E I N G O S L S R
O H P N G E T L A E A I D T E N D
R I L S S D O S P I K I E P ? N I
I T P P U P Y I L O V E Y O U T N
E E S A D P I S P S E K T O V Y E
A P I A H A E D S I V E U B P N S
L T E S I D D E H B H P T P ? V O
E U I H Y O P K D H O V E R T S I
S I O K I S H L H U T E D H A P P
Y V A L E N T I N E S D A Y H E P
D E T M E V N R S E I T S P G I L
I E B P N H L N T P O S K V D K N
P P K K N E K E I S H K B A R K E
D O G I K T K A V I I S V E E N E
S P S K K E G H E Y S S O D N T P

did you see the message? Look close. Here's what it said:


K(E)ISES, I DIG. (DLNB)
I LIKE (PV) ROSES, KITTENS. (K)
(VYNEPPAYIKRKNOEK)
SHEE KISSED ME (SPPIN) LIIPP.
(EADIDHOIP?TGA)
(ESIIOS) SEEING (OSLSR)
(OHPNGETLAEAID) TENDR
(ILSSDOSPIKIEP?NI)
(IT) PPUPY, I LOVE YOU (TN)
(EESADPISPSEKTOVYE)
(APIAHAEDSIVEUBPNS)
(LTESIDDEHBHPTP?VO)
(EUIHYOPKDHOVERTSI)
(SIOKISHLHUTED)
HAPPY VALENTINES DAY (HEP)
(DETMEVNRSEITSPGIL)
(IEBPNHLNTPOSKVDKN)
(PPKKNEKEISHK)
BARKE DOGI
(KTKAVIISVEENE)
(SPSKKEGHEYSSODNTP)


If anything this tells me that there are a LOT of possiblilities out there!

By Linda (Linda) (207-172-73-73.s73.tnt1.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com - 207.172.73.73) on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 10:05 pm:

Here's a little valentine exchange which might occur between Doug and Ted:

Ted Kaczynski
Tell me NOW...
I can't wait any longer!
Are you ALSO Zodiac,
Or JUST
The Unabomber?

* * * *

Douglas,
I will tell you TRUE…
But let's not spoil the game
If you can figure out this Code…
I promise you our name!

†•ѥLJ

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1057.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.41) on Friday, February 15, 2002 - 09:01 am:

GYZZXRZXIQCQZZZGZNAWGGZHFJZKZGQXZEZWKZMZEJQCIJXZKZGZXKIJXZXJKZJG. No scrambling, all symbols equal only one letter. This code was given to me and completed in 25 minutes. Let's see if a computer can beat shoe leather. Happy Valentines to everyone yesterday.

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:14 pm:

Zander, I took a half hour just to adopt my Zodiac guessing program to your cipher. Then after another half hour I had eliminated most of what I thought were the obvious guesses...so, without going any further I'm stumped. I will say this:
the ZZZGZ pattern should be the "lead-in". I was assuming "ZZ" was the end of a word and "ZGZ" was the start of a new word, but he obvious guesses didn't work out.

So nice job solving that so quickly

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1028.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.12) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 10:31 am:

Obiwan, I appreciate that. My friend invented a nasty code. The final result is no-nonsense. It's all basic words. Don't look for rumplestillskin or anything bizarre like that. I think I shall leave it posted until it is solved. I dare anyone to challenge me with a code(new topic in Non-Zodiac section "Code Challenge?"). In short order, it will be handed back to you.

By Linda (Linda) (207-172-73-136.s136.tnt1.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com - 207.172.73.136) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:36 pm:

Zander: I'm going to try my hand at deciphering the code you presented, but I've been grandbabysitting for the last couple of nights, so I haven't gotten started yet. I'm certainly/definitely NOT in the 30 minute class, though! I included a short (but simple) code in my previous post on the valentine exchange between Doug and Ted K... Should be an easy one for you. Thanks for trying it!

Linda

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1036.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.20) on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 07:39 am:

Dr. TJK..... Shoe Leather-2 FC-0

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 06:04 pm:

Zander, I took a more extensive crack at your cipher...but still no luck. So I'm going to call uncle & perhaps you can tell me where I went wrong:

I started with the ZZZGZ pattern, and assumed it to be a word break: ZZ/ZGZ (There are very few words beginning with a double letter in english). Then noticing that ZZ is a double letter I assumed "Z" = either S,E,T,F,L,M,O (the 7 most common doubles.) Of these we can rule out M & T because almost no real words end with MM or TT.

So I took the pattern ZGZ as the beginning of a word. I then searched my computer's simple dictionary (26,000 words) for words which began with S,E,T,L or O and had this pattern. (example OBOE, or ETERNAL) at this point there were only 100 words to try, most of them so long that they could be ruled out right away. Of the remaining ones, all of them seemed to produce a problem somewhere, like the double ZZ in the beginning. So I guess I'm not such a great code cracker! Where did I go wrong?

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1024.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.8) on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 11:46 am:

You can be confident that this code is not anagrammed in any way and that it is a straight one letter for one symbol deal. No systems, it's not like Classics. You are right about the ZZ/ZGZ word break. I would guess from your posts that you are an excellent code breaker. It's just that the "Z" isn't what you'd expect it to be. There are so many Z's, it's over when you establish what it is. Clues: Two sentences. 16 words. Ten words begin with the same letter. One word is a place. I challenge anyone to put their mind to it and figure it out, dammit. Who will be the first?

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 02:06 pm:

Got it!!! Thanks for the hints, Zander. Nice cryptogram, once I started to try other letters for Z, you are right it just fell out. I'm surprised I did not get it earlier, because I have been to the place mentioned many times, and in fact I even had a T-shirt showing someone doing what it mentioned is the cipher. That is really really funny!!!

To prove I got it (and still give others a chance) I will say that the cipher mentions something which may have been seen prominently on television in the last few weeks, does that sound right?

I will add that I used my simple program which just replaced my guess for each letter throughout the cipher instantly, then lets me guess and guess again...this is not really "computerized analysis", it just a faster version of the old fashioned method.

By Linda (Linda) (207-172-73-127.s127.tnt1.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com - 207.172.73.127) on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 05:30 pm:

I got it, too! But have to admit that what helped me was the hint that the "Z" wasn't what it would be expected to be... The vowels have it!

Linda!

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1085.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37.69) on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 02:20 pm:

It appears the code has been broken-twice. How about: While taxiing in Hawaii, I thought of skiing in Illinois ?

By Linda (Linda) (207-172-73-106.s106.tnt1.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com - 207.172.73.106) on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 04:58 pm:

Although, "Skiing in Hawaii is impossible. It is an idiotic idea when it is in the nineties!" ...

GZXQEEAROAGDEQFTQKMDQIMFQDEWUE!

No anagramming and one-for-one symbol...

Linda!

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 06:41 pm:

Yes, I got the solution, as Linda posted. It was a good lesson that the most frequent letters in english are not necessarily the most frequent letters in the text you are trying to decipher. By the way I can tell you all that in fact it snowed yesterday in Hawaii; my collegues are there now. This is actually quite common on the summit of Mauna Kea which is nearly 14,000 feet. Skiiers and snowboarders are common, but there are no lifts.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc346ca.ipt.aol.com - 172.195.70.202) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 06:40 pm:

Something interesting I discovered yesterday: Leslie B. Lundblad's father, Simeon John Lundblad, was from Norway. Besides Penn, we now have another person who can be directly connected to Norway; however, it's pretty obvious that Lundblad couldn't possibly have been Z and didn't write the SLA letter. But it is interesting nonetheless, and perhaps should be ascribed to zynchronicity.

By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p51-234.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 159.134.51.234) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 03:04 am:

Ed,More Zynchronicity with regard to the SLA letter!
Patricia HautZ/Patty Hearst/Patricia Hearst/Randolph Hearst (RH)Who had a connection with Citizen Kane.The SLA letter/Zodiac.1978 letter quote "I am here,I have always been here"
Recorded statement from D.Defreeze leader of the SLA..."You know me you, have always known me"

By Tony (Mahalo) (hnllhi1-ar1-4-65-062-101.hnllhi1.dsl-verizon.net - 4.65.62.101) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 07:12 pm:

A confirmed Z letter was signed, 'A Citizen' as you all well know.

By Linda (Linda) (208-59-124-69.s69.tnt1.frdr.md.dialup.rcn.com - 208.59.124.69) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:09 am:

I don't believe the "Citizen" letter was confirmed a "Z" letter, was it, Tom? It may have been a suspect letter, but not definitely confirmed, right?

By Howard Davis (Howard) (66.59.238.54.lcinet.net - 66.59.238.54) on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:27 am:

Linda,
As a point of interest there is this quote as coming from Toschi in Zodiac"He's[Z] not fooling anybody-no matter what his game is.There's no doubt in my mind about either one[Badlands/Citizen-RP/Red Phantom missives].I took them to a documents expert and in less than five minutes he told me positively they were in fact written by the Zodiac.He's trying to slip letters and cards into the Chronicle without being detected."