Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Letters: Penn card
|By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p50-233.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 18.104.22.168) on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 04:02 pm:|
At the bottom of the Penn card we have Zodiac writing; DES,JULY,AUG,SEPT,OCT = 7.The "AUGUST" is clearly out of place! Anyone any opinions as to why this is included?
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbf93e1.ipt.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 10:37 pm:|
"Penn" card instead of "pen card"... Freudian slip, Lapumo?? LOL I think Z included August in an attempt to throw the cops a curveball by appearing to claim the double murder of Snoozy and Furlong in August 1969.
|By Ray N (Ray_N) (user-38ldeto.dialup.mindspring.com - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 10:05 am:|
It could mean that he is admiting to an aborted attack in August, one that he got cold
feet on and walked away from at the last minute. Since he would have technically scored a
Zero on that outing, it would not change the sum. He might actually be admitting to a
failure on his part, at least cryptically. This would maintain the integrity of his game,
in that he would at least be fairly reporting the score. Of course, the
"scoreboard" might also turn out to have nothing to do with body counts.
|By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc05f25.ipt.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 11:20 pm:|
That's entirely possible; after all, ZII claimed to have killed one or two more than the cops were aware of, possibly because he shot at them and immediately left the area, not realizing that he hadn't even hit his target. The victims themselves might even have been unaware that they'd nearly been killed. So, maybe Z did something similar, or perhaps he was even referring to two victims of his from August of another year entirely...
|By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:33 pm:|
I think the following line of the pen card may be seriously overlooked: you won't
get the news for a while yet. This means Z is taking credit for a crime which was
UNKNOWN as of 11-8-69. Snoozy/Furlong were known at the time. This could be one of those
"other vicitims"...I believe I read on this board about one victim who was found
in the ocean off Santa Cruz, for example. Assuming this victim died in Aug. here's one
interpretation of the 7 score:
Des: Faraday, Jensen
Aug: undiscovered victim mentioned above
Oct: Stine AND C.J. Bates ('66)
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (224.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:44 pm:|
Of course "you won't get the news for a while yet" might mean "you won't get the news until you solve the cipher." The cipher accompanied the card.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:54 am:|
If we remain landlocked to NORTHERN CA then we exclude all possibility that Z
actually(!) killed out of the Z'box' we have placed him in.He claimed,at least,that there
were "...a hell of a LOT MORE[victims]down there"[S.CA].It's a large state!
The Girl found in SC was Elaine Davis and was abducted in Decmember of '69.See posts on her.
I have been interested in Rodellis theory about the dot arrangement in the Pen card under the word "Thing"when it is turned upside down showing a possible '132' and that the "bad news" was a possible planned attack on that remote highway.There are six underlines to speculate on too!Of course,KJ was abducted there 3/22/70.See Rodellis post and Eds comments.Z was just weird enough to have done something like that.It is just something to look at or my ol' FYI.
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (204.sanfrancisco-12rh15rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - 22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:19 pm:|
What I really and truly admire about you, Howard, is your capacity to avoid being
confined by your own assumptions regarding suspects and motives. You've got a great
capacity for perceiving similarities in design and linkage.
What happens when we strip all of the inferences away and focus entirely on technique? The inferences are the thrust of Z's tactics. He lays out implications like land mines all over the place (BTW, that should be "he/they" up there) and people just stumble onto them and get lost on weird tangents.
I'd be willing to lay money that the case is never solved.
|By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p50-107.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 126.96.36.199) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:20 am:|
Those aren't real attractive odds Alan. However if you were to add to that statement;
"beyond reasonable doubt in my mind",I might be willing to
lighten your load some
|By Zander Kite (Zk) (dialup-188.8.131.52.dial1.nashville1.level3.net - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:56 am:|
I was actually able to get an objective opinion on the dripping pen card, an amazing feat considering my near Kaczynski-like social skills. I get by working two days a week, usually clearing out a tree from a yard. The owner and I are talking about dog tracks, cause he spent some time in NH and I'm from Massachusetts, so it turns out this guy knows a lot about odds and is even currently trying to write a book on odds and chance. Furthermore, he's got this book all about strange coincidences and is into cryptic-like stuff, even the Loch Ness monster. So, he starts telling me about different web sites and so I end up directing him to Zodiackiller and the dripping pen card and challenge him to find something cryptic. He doesn't know the difference between the NY and SF Zodiac cases, but I tell him the killer challenged with codes, was never apprehended, and may have left clues in any of his writings. I found his results to be interesting. They kind of branched out to include subconscious-possibilities. First, he, of course, noticed the missing "T". And next, amazingly he notices that "nead" is spelled close to "knead"(Remember, I have forwarded the possibility that the killer was drawing attention to the initials TK- "I though(T) you would (K)nead..."). He offered a subconscious-idea that the killer is depressed and since knead means to shape and form thru manipulation, he suggested a link(the killer has to force a smile). He offered a similar line of thought with the misspelling "frunt" suggesting "runt" is meaningful. He missed the misspelled "aufully" originally. He pointed out Des. also. He also questioned the 6 exclamation points and the misplaced apostrophe on "won't". Later, I showed him how his first two observations might be a clue left by Kaczynski. I pointed out how the missing T and K would be under the T and C in "The Zodiac Speaking", and showed how close the opening line is to the anagram "This is Theodore Kaczynski". The T and C are the first and 9th letters of "The Zodiac speaking" while T and K are the first and 9th letter of Ted's name. I also explained how the poorly spaced, delayed "speaking" may have been an attempt to allign the T in "haven't" with the K in "speaking", thru the pages. Oh well, that was fun getting an objective opinion. One other thing that I noticed after was this: I thought you would knead... a good laugh. A common word after knead is dough. Now look again: I thought you would knead a go(od) la(ugh). See "dough" in there, right?
|By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p50-233.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 220.127.116.11) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 08:47 am:|
Whereas, using the same idea,"nead" could be moulded into DEAN.
|By Kendra (Kendra) (pluto.cds1.net - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 10:54 am:|
or even Dena...(Deena), as in Ferrin...
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-139-118.client.attbi.com - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:21 pm:|
Zander, from now on how about restricting your Kaczynski thoughts to a thread about
him...OK???!!! Maybe you can call it "All the reasons Ted is the Zodiac".
If I can avoid bringing up Leigh Allen in every thread, you can do the same with Ted K.
|By Zander Kite (Zk) (dialup-126.96.36.199.dial1.nashville1.level3.net - 188.8.131.52) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 02:50 pm:|
I thought you meant not to hijack a current thread as opposed to this 2 month old dormant one, but that's fine, I'll restrict as requested, but please allow a reply. Lapumo, this is like when you brought up ED OTT and DON HO as counters to Kaczynski in the 340. Once again I have brought out a Rolls-Royce, and you counter with a Le-Car. The idea here in dealing with cryptic clues is for them to make sense, not just to say anything because your suspect has none. I think that you could do a very good job of battling Bookworm over her findings, but the Kaczynski-related cryptics are a bit too comprehensive to brush off with just saying anything. Another thing I've noticed is that by taking off the "T" in thought, leaves "though" (though-dough). "I though(T)((dough)) you would (K)nead a go((OD)) la((UGH)).
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (31.philadelphia08rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 04:44 pm:|
Interestingly, a Sacramento Bee article from 1997 spoke of the games Ted and his brother David liked to play, stating, "[T]hey loved word games, and Ted punned incessantly."
|By Lapumo (Lapumo) (p51-85.as1.clm.clonmel.eircom.net - 220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 03:09 am:|
I want to respect Tom's wishes here and not alter the topic on this thread.If you want to take it somewhere else,I will reply in more detail.Just for the record,I never mentioned Ed Ott or Don Ho..You did.