The Stamp Message Board: Letters: New Zodiac Letters?: The Stamp

By Tom Voigt (Admin) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 12:30 pm:

Here's a high-resolution scan of the stamp.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 01:31 pm:

I can't make out the date. Anyone else?

By Bruce Monson (Bruce_Monson) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 01:58 pm:

It looks to me like 13-11-2002

By Warren (Warren) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 02:01 pm:

13, perhaps? Can almost see a 3 and that would be about right for overseas snail mail, even Par Avion.

By Warren (Warren) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 02:02 pm:

Bruce trumped me and I think he is correct.

By Ed N. (Ed_N) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 02:14 pm:

Maybe 13 NOV 2002?

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) ( - on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:43 pm:

It looks very much like "13 NOV 2002"

By Jim (Jim) ( - on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 12:59 pm:

a week to a week and a half after being sent you receive the letter? seems about right. I have received lots of mail from Australia and that can be the usual time frame, although, i have gotten mail from there within two days! amazingly enough! could it be possible that the letter was carried along by a traveler and then sent from Singapore as a ruse? could be?
there are people who travel as curriers being able to carry upon their person small items for delivery for greatly reduced why not a letter that would be delivered to Singapore and then with instruction to the receiver to send it back to America, and Tom?
if our boy is really crafty, then who knows?

By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 08:29 pm:

Tom next to the three looks like a A Like 3Am . On the lower right is 14. Why not take it to a post master? He could fax a copy to Singapore or you can, nothing to lose but time. Odd that he picked a stamp showing a cab on the passenger side,the same side Stine was found.The same side he chose to shoot most of his victims,also the door writing at Lake B.?

By Howard Davis (Howard) ( - on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:40 pm:

There are drop box concerns here and all over the world.Anti detection books in the 60's mention how to use them to place a postmark from a city not your own on any letter sent to any city.
You live in New york city and send your letter in an envelope enclosed in a larger envelope addressed to your drop box in ,say, Tempe,AZ.They take your letter out and remail it so it will have a Tempe postmark thus concealing where you really live.
This service would cost around ten dollars.Fees varied then as now.
Most of these establishments were and are run by anti govenment types and they are pretty hardcore,so they don't reveal anything to anyone.Of course,many of their clients don't give them their real name and place of residence anyway!
As I have posted before,Z could have used this 'system'for all or some of his missives.

By Bruce Monson (Bruce_Monson) ( - on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:38 am:

Most of these establishments were and are run by anti govenment types and they are pretty hardcore...

So we're looking for a white separatist in his 60s who is also a stamp collector. Back to Deer Lodge Montana?

Maybe we should give Terry Nichols a call, he and Z probably play scrabble together on Friday nights. Hmmm, there's a picture for you, Z playing scrabble... "Sorry, Z, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to challenge you on 'DANGEROUE'"

Actually, I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but Z's use of "drown[d]ing" is in fact a correct British spelling! My copy of The Reader's Digest Great Encyclopedic Dictionary (1966) states: "The variant form drownded for drowned is not acceptable in standard English."

More and more, considering previous examples (clew, symbol use, etc.), I think that Z may have been using a copy of this exact dictionary.

Bruce Monson

By Donna (Realtor) ( on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 01:20 pm:

Like when he spelled Christmass?

By Howard Davis (Howard) ( - on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:29 pm:

I was ONLY and mainly referring to drop boxes as one possible method Z could have used to disguise his real location at any given time.
All anti detection publicationa in the 60's refer to this method.
Your reference to Zs use of "drownding"as being British confirms my long held assertion as given in my book, that he had an interest in all things British.
One of my reasons for researching this subject was that my suspect went to England at least three times('62-the cheap military Timex came from a PX in the UK FYI/68/69)and was enamored with the UK.
In This is The Zodiac Speaking Mike does a very good job of pointing out Zodiacs possible interest or connections to the UK.

By Peter H (Peter_H) ( - on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 08:41 am:

Bruce quotes:
"The variant form drownded for drowned is not acceptable in standard English."

How does this make it a correct form?