"Cold Case Files" on A&E, continued


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Zodiac Media: "Cold Case Files" on A&E, continued

By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 12.231.193.32) on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 03:30 pm:

( Continued from part one...)

A&E's Cold Case Files: The Zodiac Killer originally aired on August 5, 2003.

Post your feedback here. So far, the response to the show has been overwhelmingly positive.

By MissHaHaJones (cache-dh03.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.208.167) on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:08 pm:

After watching about the ZODIAC KILLER on A&E, I feel he is either dead or in prison. That is the only thing that has made him stop. DNA would not scare him enough; He likes to taunt the police.

One can only hope that this killer is found out before he is dead, if he isn't already and that he is brought to justice. He would probably be an old man by now.

By Medasia (vt-claremont2c-43.bur.adelphia.net - 68.171.7.43) on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:10 pm:

I too watched the show tonight, which is where I learned of this site. I still have a lot of looking around to do. I am a true crime buff so I'm sure I'll find many interesting facts here.

Thanks for this site.

By bets (pcp04062970pcs.grey01.tn.comcast.net - 68.54.107.19) on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:19 pm:

i enjoyed looking at your site. I found out about it after watching A&E Cold Case Files. I am truley intrigued with the entire case. It makes me wonder though.. is he really dead or in prison?..........
I enjoyed the site. Thanks

By heather lundberg (66.191.102.9) on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:34 pm:

i too watched a&e tonight I feel he is still out there and will go to his grave with it what a sick man!

By Karina C (wc13.mtnk.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com - 66.185.84.208) on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:10 pm:

I always love A&E, and I've heard about the Zodiac before and checked out the site before too.

Maybe it's just me- but there seemed to be alot of contradictory statements made, especially about possible suspects and things of that nature. And also it seems to me that investigators were basing alot of their investigation of hand writing samples (even though I know in the 60's and 70's thats all that they had) and thus, I think they just may have overlooked alot.

By Wayne (cache-ntc-ac12.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.26.81) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:25 am:

I watched the show tonight and it was fantastic. My concern is nobody is mentioning the fact that Allen had a "brilliant IQ"...even in thelate 60's and early 70's and having been in the Navy, would seem to me he'd know more about what not to say or do when giving clues. How many of the investigators have an IQ of brilliance? Seems to me Allen was as close to a person that could manipulate whatever he chose. Lets not forget the fact that he "hated" women for whatever reason (i dont recall a reason for that statement) but he may have used "couple" killing as a way of striking back at his inability to court a relationship. Thus using the newspapers as a way of satifying his need for attention. Also you cannot discount the fact that a surviving victim picked him out of a line up..even to this day, a positive identification is reason for arrest. Im not sure why he wasnt arrested at that point. Great websight, and as having a novice interest in cases such as these...i commend you on your energy and caring for these victims.

By DD (adsl-64-160-116-78.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net - 64.160.116.78) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:00 am:

Clearly the killer is dead. Look at the evidence, you have the only likely suspect profiled to a "tee" on this website. He was also profiled in the A&E special. Geez people look at the handwriting anylisis, I don't care what the "offical" report says.


DD

By James Russo (chtrmb-188-199.the-beach.net - 216.189.188.199) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 09:05 am:

after watching the A&E program , cold case files(Zodiac Killer)and reading both Robert Greysmiths books.I have numerous comments.First:I am a NYPD detective (retired).the A&E program really is geared to entertainment,greysmith covers a lot of stuff.A&E never even mentions SFPD Inspector Dave toschi,who did a ton of work and investigation on the case.I believe one of the police jurisdicions held back information when they could have nailed this guy.God: they had more than one witness,Mike Mageau,Brian Hartnell,Kathleen Johns,Anyway the Vallejo police dept.screwed up big time on the initial investigation,withholding vital information from the SFPD,who could have solved the Murders in one week,instead they waited like 12 years to execute a search warrant on Arthur Lee Allens trailers,anyway they had it pinned down to Zodiac is either or,Arthur Lee Allen,Robert Hall Starr,or Don Andrews

By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 12.231.193.32) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:28 pm:

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. However, I've deleted several of the posts in this thread because they were not feedback on Cold Case Files.

If there's a particular element to the show (or Zodiac case in general) that you'd like to discuss, please start a new thread rather than posting it here.

Any more reviews?

By th eusual joe 0 (line0782.kdt.de - 195.8.255.130) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:33 pm:

I saw it on a satellit dish here in Germany...very good!

By Ed Taylor (cvg-65-29-208-206.cinci.rr.com - 65.29.208.206) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 08:59 pm:

I loved the show. Cold Case Files is probably one of my favorite shows and the one about Z just makes it that much nicer. I have a question though. When a family member said they saw Allen with a bloody knife and he said it was killing a chicken, was that knife ever recovered??

ET

By Tom_Voigt (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 12.231.193.32) on Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:38 pm:

Ed, that story was never corroborated and it allegedly originated from a neighbor, William White, who died not long after the incident.

By Slapfish (63.169.221.29) on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:44 am:

I just watched the show a few nights ago and the entire case against Allen really bothered me. There was so much evidence against him I couldn't believe his prints and DNA didn't match.It's really bizarre.

He told a friend prior to the Zodiac name being made public that he would shoot people and call himself Zodiac.

He was gone the day of one of the couple murders and came home with blood all over him. He even said he was going to the lake where they were killed.

A watch was found in his possession that had the Zodiac logo and the word zodiac on it.

He was picked out of a photo line up by one of the survivors.

He told someone that he would do something in SanFrancisco to prove he could be an "enforcer" and a few days later there was another zodiac murder.

The murders stopped during the time he was imprisioned.

I'm trying to figure out if this guy might have done some of the murders in a "copy cat" fashion, but the letter writer was someone else.

Anyway, I have a lot of reading to do, I'm sure some of these things have been speculated by others.

By Bruce Monson (Bruce_Monson) (mail.ci.colospgs.co.us - 204.131.210.1) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 01:59 am:

Slapdish,

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the A&E show is not nearly as good insofar as factual representation is concerned as so many others here seem to think, and the majority of that alleged "evidence" against Allen mentioned on that show has been shown to be tenuous hearsay or speculation at best, not "fact."

This has all been discussed at length on Zodiackiller.com so there's no point going into much detail on each of these (you can follow the threads yourself), but if you take some time to read about the "problems" (and there are many) you will see what I'm referring to.

Short answer, don't be too quick to decry the DNA and other physical evidence (e.g., finger prints, palp prints, handprinting) for failing to match Allen. The circumstantial speculation should not be discounted, of course, but do not allow it to become the primary focus over and above the ACTUAL forensic findings.

Regards,

Bruce Monson

By Suzanne Wolfe (208.49.186.115) on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 12:00 pm:

I think the A&E show was excellent. I do think it is very strange about all the information that points to Allen. It is almost as if there is too much, bringing up the possibility that someone slyly pointed the finger at Allen and all the evidence snowballed from there. If the Zodiac is as smart as people say he is, I could see him doing this.

By Vidar (in-addr-2-66-160-132.librarieshawaii.org - 132.160.66.2) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 02:08 pm:

What I found most interesting is that the San Francisco Police Department is doing such a great job, contrary to what I've read on other websites. Great show.