New linguistic analysis at Unabomber/Zodiac website
Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Zodiac Media: New linguistic analysis at Unabomber/Zodiac website
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (167.philadelphia01rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, May 27, 2001 - 09:51 am:|
I've added the second of a seven-part series involving linguistic comparisons between Ted Kaczynski and Zodiac. Click here to go to the analysis page.
|By Linda (Linda) (207-172-73-205.s205.tnt1.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 05:24 pm:|
Doug - Relating to both phrases studied, to date, these analysis are very thorough and
thought provoking. I'm anxious to see the remainder of the phrases the linguist specialist
Isn't this how the Unabomber was caught in the first place; his brother and/or sister-in-law recognized certain phraseology known to be used by Ted...a thorough analysis was performed of known writings of both he, as a suspect, and known Unabomber writings. From that point on, the investigation fluorished and took other avenues where enough evidence was gathered to plan the arrest. (I believe that somewhere I've read or seen the comparisons of known writing styles of Ted and known Unabomber letters and/or his manifesto). I think the comparisons you have made between known Z writings and known Kaczynski writings are certainly as thorough. With the additional corroberation of the linguist specialist, I think there is added strength to the conclusion that you MUST keep Ted as a very, very STRONG SUSPECT until there is absolute and undeniable PROOF that he could NOT have been involved in the Zodiac crimes because his whereabouts was CONFIRMED as elsewhere.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (202.philadelphia01rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 22.214.171.124) on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 09:46 am:|
Linda makes a good point here, and she has also drawn my attention to a particular, and, in my opinion, rare trait shared by both Kaczynski and Zodiac. Neither uses a comma between the city and state when addressing an envelope. See the bottom of the page at http://home.att.net/~mignarda/style.html for exemplars, and a few other additions to the page.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (66.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 09:46 pm:|
Part 3 (The Modals "Shall" and "Will") has now been posted. It's a very interesting and eye-opening piece. See it at http://home.att.net/~mignarda/analysis.html.
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max2-6.evansinet.com - 188.8.131.52) on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 12:27 pm:|
Significant contribution, Doug.Have you considered
the possibility that the comparison might be of student and master?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (197.philadelphia08rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 08:21 am:|
Zoe, it might, but who might be the student, and who the master? I've got a guess, but it's nothing I ought to repeat in a public forum.
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max1-28.evansinet.com - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 08:49 am:|
Douglas or maybe a general to his minister?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (197.philadelphia08rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 10:53 am:|
Or a Hitler to his Goebbels? This is a theme I'm going to be bearing in mind for the next couple of years, although in a different setting than a merely forensic connection.
|By Boojum (Boojum) (82.new-york-08rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net - 22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 05:26 pm:|
Ever look at Peter Singer's work, Doug?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (199.philadelphia08rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 07:48 pm:|
Yes, but I'm not into animal husbandry.
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max1-25.evansinet.com - 188.8.131.52) on Monday, July 02, 2001 - 05:47 pm:|
Bingo! Doug , much of this case is about propaganda , as you suggest with a
politically incorrect comparison of Hitler and Geobbel, although that's the module.
If you'll take notice of the last six post they could be easily arranged as popaganda,discrediting an individual by asking questions that assume a preprogrammed response.Which is an example of what's happened with Ted.
Ted made some big discoveries, bigger than a
nuclear bomb. Then he got this big idea to save mother earth, if even for a little while.
The Zodiacs an all together different person,
although he may have an association with the bomber. Let's see.
|By Boojum (Boojum) (74.new-york-07rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, July 02, 2001 - 07:38 pm:|
Zoe, you seem to have posted this:
"Doug , much of this case is about propaganda , as you suggest with a politically incorrect comparison of Hitler and Geobbel, although that's the module."
Could you elucidate on that a little bit for the Mensa-challenged? What do you mean by "the module"?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (189.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 12:28 am:|
Zoe, Ted was exactly like Zodiac, and many others who commit mass murder. He
used his anti-technology philosophy as an apology to excuse himself for his inability to
succeed in life. He found himself jaded and embittered over his failure in his career and
his inability to find female companionship, and lashed out at the people whom he
rationalized were responsible.
I made the Hitler/Goebbels comparison because, to my way of thinking, Hitler was truly a mass murderer, even though he never actually killed anyone. Like Kaczynski, his motivation, though it appeared philosophical, actually originated in his early failures as an artist. Ironically, the people who actually carried out his murders were philosophically motivated--"useful idiots," as, I believe, Marx applied the term.
|By Joe (Joe) (adsl-63-204-73-128.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 09:46 am:|
Doug. "His inability to succeed in life?" You mean with women, right? A
teacher at Berkeley can hardly be assumed as not succeeding.
I strongly disagree that Ted was "exactly" like Zodiac. He may have exhibited similar MO as far as letter writing, but even the letters themselves were different in tone and content. Ted's targets were certainly not the same.
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (64.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 04:37 pm:|
Not so, Joe. "Success" in this context doesn't mean the ability to function
as a mathematician. If that had been the extent of it, Kaczynski would have had no
problem. His inability to deal with the "people" aspects of being a teacher,
coupled with his steadfast refusal to move into an area of mathematics that was current
and would enable him to achieve tenure, caused him to drop out in 1969. Imagine having to
go back to Illinois and tell his parents that all of their hard work, sacrifice and
trouble had gone for nothing, and that he was leaving the career field for which he had
prepared the last eleven years of his life.
I would also argue that the letters, though not the same in content, were absolutely the same in tone. The bottom line was that he had murdered people, and unless the newspapers published his material, he would murder again. The letters taunted the authorities, and in some cases even used the exact same phraseology.
As for the targets, they constituted people who had achieved success in areas where Kaczynski had failed--that is, unless you take Kaczynski at his word when he claims to have been philosophically motivated.
|By Joe (Joe) (adsl-63-204-73-180.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 10:35 pm:|
Doug. You make a good case for Ted's inclusion on the suspect list. I think you are
wrong about the letters. Similar, not the "same" in tone.
Zodiac was killing what he could not have. What did Ted do with his rage against couples after 1969? Where did his sexual frustration toward them go? Why change targets?
|By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (41.philadelphia01rh.15.pa.dial-access.att.net - 188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 05:23 am:|
(1) Because his prior activities had gotten him pegged as a psychotic and a homosexual;
(2) Because he read Jacques Ellul's "The Technological Society" in 1971, and used it as the basis for a more elaborate worldview in which he could explain his own shortcomings as the innocent byproduct of something larger than himself; and
(3) Because he got older. Read his manifesto and you'll see that it's permeated with references to all the bad things that happen to people when they don't have anything constructive to do ("constructive" meaning things that tend toward the immediate survival of the individual). He's imputing those things to his own life prior to 1971, when he fled into the woods. His attention during the next seven years was completely devoted to physical survival.
|By Linda (Linda) (207-172-74-162.s162.tnt2.fdk.md.dialup.rcn.com - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 10:29 am:|
Doug: Coincidentally after reading Joe's post, I started preparing one which also references Ted's manifesto... See new thread under SUSPECTS: What Reason would Kaczynski have had to Commit the Zodiac Crimes."
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max1-4.evansinet.com - 220.127.116.11) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 07:08 am:|
Bojoom, It would seem so , it is most probably so,
once confirmed it is certainly so. In its content of the entire thread , including the links Douglass has provided it is meant to flag a particular unit of a Nazi Psycological study.
Liken to the one Kaczynski unwittingly particapted in.
|By Zoe Glass (Zoe_Glass) (max2-43.evansinet.com - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 07:49 am:|
Douglas, Thank you for being a good sport. To my way of thinking both are motivated by
in that they are motivated by belief systems.