New Email address for "Zodiac/Manson" book


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Zodiac Media: New Email address for "Zodiac/Manson" book

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-30-235-modem.o1.com - 66.81.30.235) on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 05:46 pm:

Hi. My name is Jim Nelson. I'm the editor of Howard Davis' book "The Zodiac/Manson Connection." I'm posting this message to let you know that soon (hopefully) I will be taking over maintaining the web site for our book. And also to let you know that my Email address that is currently on the site is no longer valid. Instead it should read: hjnelson@iwlink.com
If you have sent anything in the past to the old address I apologize for not getting back to you.

Lastly I will say that I am a firm believer in "The Zodiac/Manson Connection" but for most of the discussion regarding this hypothesis I will defer to Howard. I just wrote the book using his research.

By Paul (Paul) (spider-mtc-tc074.proxy.aol.com - 64.12.105.184) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 01:50 pm:

i would'nt brag about it....

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-49-174-modem.o1.com - 66.81.49.174) on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 06:22 pm:

And it is very nice to meet you, too. Paul, is it?

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-56.linkline.com - 64.30.217.56) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 02:45 am:

Paul:You wouldn't,but he did -that's his right and besides he didn't brag he was just stating his involvement in the project.I have known Jim for many years and he is anything but a braggart.

He is a very fine computer programmer.Next time let's see some facts not some negative infantile comment fit for the cranial vault of a sixth grader. We're all adults here.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-ntc-tb013.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.153) on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 08:51 am:

For the record, this book is very interesting and informative. I recommend all those fascinated by Zodiac and/or Manson et al to order a copy and read it. My only wish is that there would have been more personal history on Davis, his childhood, teenage years, parents backgrounds, psychological profile. This would help immensely if we are to picture Davis as Zodiac.
The book prodded me to go on a quest for more Davis info, and it is difficult to find. Most of the books on Manson mention Davis, but gloss over any personal data.
Howard, there is no doubt you have a potentially very strong suspect, where can we get more background and personal insights? Particularly, I want to know what his interpersonal relationships with women were.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-240.linkline.com - 64.30.217.240) on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 02:00 am:

Sylvie,

Summary time on Davis.In his youth he had a 'brain injury with severe inflammation and high fever for some time -with an attending surgury.My feeling is that it affected his personality-possibly frontal lobe/limbic complications.

In high school we find him stocky and short of stature.We interviewed some people that knew him and we find that Bruce(called himself Ivan in the yearbook-the right hand man for Count Zaroff!)was not popular with the girls.When a girl that Davis had known in school read the typed Riverside missive she exclaimed 'I was that blue eyed brunette(brownette in original)that said no to him when he asked for a date'!She was aware Davis was a suspect in the case.He had anger towards women not just because of continual rejection, but also feelings of hatred towards his mother.

Davis wrote in the yearbook of a fellow student 'It has been an uneventful year maybe something will happen to change that'.It was intended to be sinister and kind of scared the student.I personally feel he was fantasying about killing someone.He won a scholastic award.

He was considered an 'atheist and an angry young man'.In reports at home his father-who was an alcoholic-greatly abused him both verbally and physically, and his mother, according to Davis, did not really defend him and it conflicted him immensely ,and he 'developed deep seated anger and an inferiority complex',etc.His sister told us "mama sent Bruce out to do terrible things"-just what we don't know.

Two men raped him at different periods in his school days one of whom was a teacher that he trusted as a father figure.

He became Editor (I always think of "Dear Editor")in Chief(probably to compensate for his inferior feelings) of his high school yearbook and one former staff member that worked under him said that he did 'type on a Royal typewriter.'At some point he was a coach for Little League baseball(I think of S.F.-0 ,Z- 17+)(to deal with his fathers distant stance as he was always working and travelling-to give the boys some of what he lacked-attention.Davis travelled to CA in '63 and made his way up the coast(S.B.?), according to a friend that was with him part of the time.They ended up in Seattle ,WA. He said that Davis went to a military store and he bought a pair of military shoes-he liked military shoes said the former friend.

Due to an accident(both legs were burned-more brain damage?) it seems to have prevented Davis from entering military service even though he was fascinated with things military,etc.He took military classes.He came back to CA and worked ,according to parole records, in Lake Tahoe and said he had a fake drivers liscense.On his way back he stopped in Harrisburg, PA and worked awhile there.He was a welder and pipefitter by trade.

Later, after a stint in college(he had average to below average grades) he began to take hard drugs which affected his studies.He took a lot of Zoology;also chemistry, geometry, algebra(he like art according to his sister-she stopped giving us info when Davis found out about our inquires and told her to stop-very controlling person)etc.He was very fascinated with astrology, Scientology, The Process,the occult,science fiction,etc.

He finally moved to Ca in '64 and lived in Anaheim, Buena Park, Newport Beach(hung out at that beach area) Costa Mesa and finally Riverside.According to a detective he "dropped out Nov.1966 and became a transient undergrounder".He worked as a Road Surveyor for a period of time and even did odd jobs.He was a "good mechanic".His drug use escalated during the '66 period ,according to reports and he was doing speed, LSD, and a number of other drugs.In '67 he spent ten days in jail for drugs, but he felt it was unjustified and his anger grew over time.He met Manson Sept.'67 in Seattle and the rest is history.He obtained a '60 Chevy and when asked in a letter if he ever owned or drove a Studebaker there was no reply-just answers to all the other questions!I left out a lot of info -just too much. SORRY for long post!

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-ntc-tb072.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.182) on Saturday, September 01, 2001 - 08:14 am:

Howard, Don't be sorry. That was fascinating, and should have been a chapter in your book, which I still urge everyone to get.
Alot of these things would fit for Zodiac. I do not see cryptology in this background but as you've written, Davis and Manson had a friend who was an expert in codes.
I've always thought a key to Z's identity lay in the fact that he never sexually assaulted any of the females victims. This could mean he was either homosexual or a sexual, or as in the case of the Manson Family, had a plethora of women.
I don't believe he has married in prison, like Watson (fathered 4 kids) and Beausoleil.
At any rate, thank you for more insight into a Zodiac suspect.

By RLewis (Rlewis) (208.60.70.226) on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 12:45 am:

hey, i bought your book a couple years ago & i have to say i was woefully disappointed. your case for bruce davis being the zodiac is tenuous at best, but the worst part was having to trudge through all the grammatical and spelling errors. have you hired a proofreader yet? oh, i also liked all those phony "rave reviews" of the book that you guys put on amazon.com under fake names. i also assume that this "sylvie" is probably another fraud designed to drum up interest in your book. to anyone who reads this thread & is genuinely interested in the case, just stick with the information on tom voigt's site. at least here you know words will be spelled correctly & every other sentence won't end with four exclamation points!!!!

By Howard Davis (Howard) (64.30.209.40) on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 06:56 pm:

RLLewis,
I don't know what you are talking about as I have a pretty clean first edition book-unlike your disordered post here!
You are probably referring to Bill Nelsons book which does have some info on Zodiac and Bruce Davis and it is riddled with the kinds of errors you refer to.
Grow Young with HGH is a world class best seller and it is filled with errors, but not incorrect data.I know Dr. Klatz, the author, and he will make the corrections in the second edition.Things happen even when you have a major publisher do your book.We(especially Jim Nelson) did the best we could with little or no funds along with deadlines,etc.The second edition will be much cleaner,but it is not the book you depict in your post.
I firmly stand by the content and basic premise of my book and the supplement that comes with it and stand ready to defend my thesis,even publicly.
I have been a researcher since 1963 and have been on the Z case since 1987 so I am not an amateur as you are.
No,any "reviews" on my book were there because the authors wanted to place them.As a matter of fact some of them are uncomplimentary!Did I "plant" them also?
How do you know that any of them are "plants(they most certainly are NOT)?"Are you a psychic?Perhaps you are Ms.Cleo and you ain't sayin'!
I was able to trace down at least two of the writers and found ,as one of them admitted to me, "I only read a few pages of the book at a friends house!"Yet, he refused to delete the post.Oh yes, he "knows Bruce Davis" and considers him a "friend".The other "reviewer" couldn't even answer basic questions about the Zodiac case much less answer to the ignorant comments about my book.
I also know that at least one of them was a Manson sympathizer-and there are many!
Some had my book confused with BILL Nelsons book because my Editor was JIM NELSON and they weren't bright enough to discern that obvious first name difference;thus they confused the two books.
Do I discourage criticism?Love it-if it is based on intelligence and experience relative to the Zodiac case.See my past posts.
Sylvie was contacted by me to help on a special project as she is in an area and place to assist-and she has done a great job so far.Any comments made by her were of her own volition.As a matter of fact I posted in reference to her posts and have made what I felt were 'corrections' to her statements.She or anyone else is free to do the same regarding my posts.
I do know -and I'm not psychic like you-the other posters won't follow your example and post with the mental acumen of a third grader replete with attendant errors !!!!Hows that for "exclamation marks"?Lets get on with the facts of this important case and leave this kind of drivel alone.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (198.81.17.31) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 02:30 pm:

I have not posted for a while as I have been travelling and have not really had the will as upon return it was brought to my attention that one of my old Bruin chums (a CF trader) is among the missing. Nevertheless, I keep abreast of the posts and this last one by an RLewis was so outrageous that it warranted a response. To make a ridiculous implication that I am not real but "designed" by Howard to drum up interest in his book would be utterly laughable if it were not so disrespectful to 1)me 2)Howard Davis whose illustrious credentials far exceed most on this board and 3)Tom Voight for insinuating that he has been communicating with a figment of Howard's imagination all this time. I have often disagreed with many on this board, even Howard, but I highly doubt that anyone is silly enough to think that I am not real.
At the risk of another lunatic declaring that I am a "creation", I will reiterate -- Howard's book is most interesting and informative, I also urge everyone who has not yet done so to get TV's Z video, read and reread Douglas Oswell's site, explore the ingenious Batman Connection, and by all means go through all the posts. And NO, I am not "designed" by any of the repective fore-mentioned.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (64.30.217.11) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 08:04 pm:

Sylvie,
I have just doubled the check!That post was worth your monthly payoff for posts rendered!Keep working on those friends of yours to see if they will post too!Don't tell Lewis though.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (64.30.217.11) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 08:20 pm:

I found the place where there is multiple exclamation marks.They are on pages 71 and 73 where I QUOTE Zodiac when he writes"...so lonely I could do my Thing!!!!!!"11/8/69.
The same quote is on page 73,so I guess Lewis is correct.Darn why can't I ever win on this Board-it's not fair.

Lewis-just having some fun.Keep posting what you wish,but if I think it is incorrect I will answer in my own way.
Lets just stick to the case ;we are all equal here and interested in case resolution and no matter how it comes out,as long as it's solved, I and the other posters-will be thrilled -no matter who is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Beat that!

By Ed N (Ed_N) (172.137.40.205) on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 09:14 pm:

Howard: go for it!!!!! Let 'im have it with both barrels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Eduard (Eduard) (194.109.60.77) on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 01:32 am:

Sylvie,

Thanks for pointing out to my Batman-connection.
Where was it where I can send the money to?

Eduard
"The Zodiac-Batman Connection".

By Howard Davis (Howard) (64.30.209.40) on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 03:44 pm:

Just send it to me -all in Bat bills please.. Robin

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-72-121-modem.o1.com - 66.81.72.121) on Saturday, October 06, 2001 - 02:07 pm:

Ok. The www.zodiacmurders.com site is now back in business. The necessary changes have been made and new info will be coming to the site in the future. Jim

By Bookworm (Bookworm) (cb23775-b.rmvll1.il.home.com - 24.182.40.121) on Sunday, October 07, 2001 - 06:48 am:

H.J., that yellow text is hard to read.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (ac889beb.ipt.aol.com - 172.136.155.235) on Sunday, October 07, 2001 - 11:25 am:

Also, the site is NOT Netscape friendly...

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-64-146-modem.o1.com - 66.81.64.146) on Sunday, October 07, 2001 - 10:12 pm:

Bookworm: I thought so too. I'll be changing a few things as I go along. I only just inherited the site.

Tom: How so? E me and I'll see what I can do.

Jim

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-17-169-modem.o1.com - 66.81.17.169) on Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 10:05 am:

A couple of things to say about the ZMC site. On the home page there is now an Updates link to a page that lists where any recent changes or additions have been made and a direct link to them. One of those currently is to the first public viewing of Cheri Jo Bates' autopsy report which debunks RPD's claim that she was stabbed 42 times.

Tom: I have now seen what the problem is that Netscape users have when trying to view the site.
So I'll be checking into that. Apparently the previous maintainer of the site never addressed the problem or even knew of it. My appologies to all other Netscape users and I'll take care of things as soon as I can.

http://zodiacmurders.com

Jim

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-17-169-modem.o1.com - 66.81.17.169) on Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 10:20 am:

Sorry. That should be

http://www.zodiacmurders.com

Jim

By H.J. Nelson (Hjnelson) (66-81-75-11-modem.o1.com - 66.81.75.11) on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 11:03 pm:

The latest updates to zodiacmurders.com include some of the many faces of Bruce Davis. There will be more of his appearences coming to the site. Click on the Updates link on the Home page.

Jim

http://www.zodiacmurders.com

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 64.30.209.40) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 10:21 am:

I have just been informed that my site zodiacmurders.com is now up!There had been an extensive delay due to some problems.I will be adding new material as time permits.I am totally busy right now.