Penn's Other Zodiac Writings


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Zodiac Media: Penn's Other Zodiac Writings

By Spencer (Spencer) (legal-research-center-201-153.lclark.edu - 149.175.201.153) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 04:43 pm:

I was over at the United States Copyright Office website, and decided to do a search on holders of copyrights. I searched Gareth Penn, and came up with several Zodiac works other than Times 17 and The Second Power. I don't know what they are, but their titles are interesting (and insane sounding). Among the titles are:

Papers relating to the impending suicide of Michael Henry O'Hare on 17 May 1989 / by Gareth Penn (created and copyrighted in 1988)

The Geometry of life and death: Resolution of the Zodiac mystery on 19 September 1989 (created in 1989 and copyrighted 5 September 1989)

To read about them yourself, just click on the link below and run the search:

http://www.loc.gov/copyright/search/cohm.html

What weird, weird dude.

Spencer

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-63-186.client.attbi.com - 12.224.63.186) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 05:33 pm:

Awesome job, Spencer. That's fascinating stuff.

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (d150-160-190.home.cgocable.net - 24.150.160.190) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 07:14 pm:

Can someone shed some light on this impending suicide of O'Hare?


Ryan

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 09:42 pm:

By The way does anyone know where I can get a copy of Times 17 or The Second Power. My local bookstore could not order Times 17 since it was out of print. I've tried some online sources as well. Thanks.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc35e7d.ipt.aol.com - 172.195.94.125) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 10:01 pm:

obiwan: The second power is available straight from the source himself. However, after all the BS regarding his lawsuit over Jake's free advertising for him, I rather doubt he's selling it anymore. But, if you want to give it a try:

Gareth Penn
4990 Shoreline Highway
Stinson Beach, CA 94970

I don't know how much it's going for, if he's still selling it. Write first to find out.

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-121.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.121) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 10:35 pm:

I just wish I could hear what O'Hare has to say in regard to Penn's obsession with him. That second title is pretty d***ed creepy.

By Spencer (Spencer) (acaf1e1b.ipt.aol.com - 172.175.30.27) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 01:39 am:

Unfortunately, the only way to get copies of any of the unpublished Z writings of Penn that have been copyrighted is by getting written permission from the copyright holder.

I really want to read about "the impending suicide of Michael Henry O'Hare" and the "resolution" of the Z case, both of which should have happened almost 13 years ago. Something tells me that Penn's "deciphering" of the binary codes in Z's writings and killings didn't work as well as he thought.

Spencer

By Spencer (Spencer) (acaf1e1b.ipt.aol.com - 172.175.30.27) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 01:41 am:

Ryan wrote:
"Can someone shed some light on this impending suicide of O'Hare?"

Probably only Freud.

Spencer

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc2fd23.ipt.aol.com - 172.194.253.35) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 12:03 pm:

Considering that O'Hare is still alive and kicking, I seriously doubt that Penn would let anyone read his earlier failed-prophetic works...

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.116) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 12:46 pm:

obiwan asked, "By The way does anyone know where I can get a copy of Times 17 or The Second Power."

I got my copy of Times 17 from Barnes and Noble, but that was over a year ago. You might want to try Amazon.com or one of the online sources that specialize in finding out of print titles. And I would check eBay every now and then.

I ordered my copy of The Second Power just before the whole "copyright" thing erupted between Jake and Penn. I used the same address that was posted in this thread. (It is even signed by the Zodiac, ooops, I mean, the author). I would definitely write first before sending any money.

~Curt
The Z Files

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.116) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 12:54 pm:

I went to the copyright search page and this is what I found for Penn, Gareth Sewell:

1. Registration Number: TX-2-045-430
Title: Times 17 / Gareth Penn.
Imprint: [S.l.] : Foxglove Press, c1987.
Description: 380 p.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1987

Published: 10Apr87

Registered: 13Apr87

Special Codes: 1/B/L//A

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2. Registration Number: TXu-126-336
Title: A Secret kept from all the rest / Gareth Penn.
Description: 4 v. & sheets.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1982

Registered: 16May83

Title on Application: Times 17.
Special Codes: 1/B/D//A

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3. Registration Number: TXu-234-140
Title: The Red king's dream.
Note: Cataloged from appl. only.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1986

Registered: 31Mar86

Author on Application: entire text: Gareth Penn.
Special Codes: 1/B///A

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4. Registration Number: TXu-238-116
Title: New documents.
Note: Cataloged from appl. only.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1986

Registered: 7May86

Author on Application: entire text: Gareth Penn.
Special Codes: 1/B///A

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5. Registration Number: TXu-240-019
Title: Three more documents.
Note: Cataloged from appl.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1986

Registered: 23May86

Author on Application: entire text: Gareth Penn.
Special Codes: 1/B///A

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6. Registration Number: TXu-254-364
Title: The 13-character cipher / Gareth Penn.
Description: 4 p.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1986

Registered: 22Sep86

Special Codes: 1/B/D//A

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7. Registration Number: TXu-354-164
Title: Papers relating to the impending suicide of Michael Henry O'Hare on 17 May 1989 / by Gareth Penn.
Description: 1 v.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1988

Registered: 15Dec88

Special Codes: 1/B/D//A

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8. Registration Number: TXu-383-923
Title: The Geometry of life and death.
Description: p. 392-408.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1989

Registered: 5Sep89

Title on Application: Resolution of the Zodiac mystery on 19 September 1989.
Author on Application: Gareth Penn.
Special Codes: 1/B///A

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9. Registration Number: TXu-385-039
Title: Language as geometry.
Description: 1 v.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1989

Registered: 10Aug89

Author on Application: Gareth Penn.
Special Codes: 1/B/D//A

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10. Registration Number: TXu-406-808
Title: Zodiac calendars / by Gareth Penn.
Description: 1 v.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1990

Registered: 13Feb90

Title on Application: Papers relating to the resolution of the zodiac matter on or about 19
Special Codes: 1/B/D//A

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11. Registration Number: TXu-430-480
Title: 8790 / Gareth Penn.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1990

Registered: 1Aug90

Special Codes: 1/B/D//A

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12. Registration Number: TXu-927-707
Title: The second power : a mathematical analysis of the letters attributed to the Zodiac murderer.
Description: 56 p.
Note: Text.
Claimant: acGareth Penn , 1941-
Created: 1999

Registered: 13Dec99

Special Codes: 1/B

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13. Registration Number: TXu-937-814
Title: The end : a prediction of the future in six pages.
Claimant: acGareth Penn , 1941-
Created: 2000

Registered: 22Feb00

Special Codes: 1/B

Registered Works Database (Author Search)

Search For: PENN, GARETH SEWELL, 1941-
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1. Registration Number: TXu-176-361
Title: Zodiac problems.
Note: Cataloged from appl. only.
Claimant: Gareth Penn
Created: 1984

Registered: 29Oct84

Author on Application: Gareth Sewell Penn.
Special Codes: 1/B

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~Curt
The Z Files

By Jake (Jake) (spider-we033.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.195.33) on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 07:04 pm:

Another Z researcher once told me that Penn had prophesied that O'Hare was going to kill himself by driving his car off of Point Reyes near San Francisco -- I guess this was the 1989 prediction. Penn, of course, recieves his mail at the Point Reyes Bird Observatory; I wonder if he got the job so he could be a first-responder?

--Jake

By obiwan (Obiwan) (ciw2.ciw.edu - 192.70.249.40) on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 07:53 pm:

Interesting Jake. Was he supposed to drive off the tip of Pt. Reyes, where the lighthouse is? This would "make sense", because the very tip of Pt. Reyes is at the "crosshairs" of latitude/longitude 123 W, 38N A similar point is the crosshair encircled by Lake Tahoe at 120W,39N.
Hmmm...on my map it also looks like the tip of Pt. Reyes is roughly ONE RADIAN from magnetic north, as measured from Mt Diablo...perhaps this it what got Penn interested in Pt. Reyes.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (dsl-gte-10407-2.linkline.com - 64.30.209.40) on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 12:35 pm:

Obiwan,
Interesting observation about LT.I believe Z did abduct Lass and sent the Pines card,but this contraversial.More research needs to be done on the Lass case.As usual ,the 'authorities' arn't going anywhere.The equal sign used on the Pines card could,and I say could,be taken from Crowleys writings and other occultists as they use the equal sign as part of their indicators for rituals,etc.It can be in the form of a warning too.Incline Village is,I am told a fairly wealthy area(this was mentioned on a show last week about a possible Tahoe '87) and this lines up with PH and the Z strike there.I am reminded of Manson who said that some of the 'random killings' should take place in wealthy areas(La Bianca/Tate)in various cities.The'rich pigs' were to 'experience fear.'See my past posts-and my site at:www.zodiacmurders.com,on the possible Z connection to the postcard and Lass.Lass was the last name of a well known Polish actress.She was Roman Polanskis' ex wife!Polanski was working in April of '69, on a screen play for Parmount with Ivan moffat called The Donner Pass.It says these early pioneers were heading to a supposed "paradise,"but instead ended up dying in the cold and by canibalizing each other-the ol' Jeffery Dalmer syndrome!

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.167) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 07:52 am:

Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of Gareth Penn's (George Oakes') article Portrait of the Artist as a Mass Murderer?

An electronic copy would be fine.

~Curt

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc2ac22.ipt.aol.com - 172.194.172.34) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 10:48 am:

Jake has a copy, and he sent me one a couple of years back. It's a terrible copy unfortunately, and not very legible; I assume his is also. I had to guess many of the words...

By Spencer (Spencer) (dialup-67.25.107.141.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net - 67.25.107.141) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:02 am:

Ed and Curt,

The Vallejo library has it in its microfiche of California Magazine. I've got a copy that I made from that microfiche. Do you have a fax machine, Curt?

Spencer

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.167) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 11:33 am:

Spencer: Yes, I do. Please email me by clicking on my username above and I'll send you the fax number.

Thanks!

Curt

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc3b0d0.ipt.aol.com - 172.195.176.208) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 06:15 pm:

I had a look around for copies of that magazine, I must've missed it... thanks, Spencer!

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.240) on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:37 am:

Spencer: Copy received, thank you very much!

~Curt

By Spencer (Spencer) (acc12f32.ipt.aol.com - 172.193.47.50) on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 12:34 pm:

Curt,

No problem.

Ed,

If you can't track it down, just let me know.

Spencer

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbec6dc.ipt.aol.com - 172.190.198.220) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 08:28 pm:

Yesterday, I finally made an excellent copy of Penn's "Portrait of the Artist as a Mass Murderer"; the Santa Rosa library has a hard copy of it as well as Vallejo's JFK library.

As I read it again (first time in a few years), I was struck by some odd things: he's described as "[a] writer and gentleman scholar" (cough, cough), and it turns out that Penn's father was an army cryptographer, who had passed on to him knowledge of "secret writing". He also makes many basic factual mistakes (possibly forgivable, considering there was little in print at the time other than old newspaper stories), and insists this early in his "investigative" career that Stine parked his cab in front of a fire hydrant. As per typical Penn, he misconstrues Z in order to make the facts fit his theory, such as, "In the letter accompanying the map, he intimated that something interesting would be found by placing a radian angle on Mount Diablo." Near the end of the piece, the pseudonym "George Oakes" is described as "a pen name" (emphasis mine). I bet he thought that was clever.

While searching the Santa Rosa Press Democrat for stories on Maureen Sterling and Yvonne Weber (who RG thinks may be possible Z victims), I came across an interesting story about the arrest of a man who was a "veteran of the Alcatraz Indian occupation and the Kashia roadblock," who failed to show up for sentencing on November 16th, 1971. The man's name was Richard George Oakes. I wonder if that is where Penn got his "pen name?" (see "Richard Oakes Arrested," Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 2-6-1972, p. 6A).

By Spencer (Spencer) (11cust17.tnt1.sausalito3.ca.da.uu.net - 68.128.31.17) on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:56 am:

Ed,

Glad to hear that you got a good copy of Portrait. I, too, am puzzled by the origins of the Oakes pseudonym.

Spencer