Zodiac rock band?


Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Zodiac Media: Zodiac rock band?

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.90) on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:49 pm:

I was checking my website stats this morning and found that this site had linked me: The Radian Theory

I have no idea what they sound like, but was wondering whether the Zodiac case was just an inspiration for the band name or if any of their songs had a Zodiac theme . . . (maybe a heavy metal version of "I've Got a Little List"?)

I bet that some of the researchers that visit this site (and others) could suggest a few interesting song titles. How about, "I Left My Interview Notes in San Francisco."

O.K., that was bad . . .

~Curt
The ZFiles

By Mike (Oklahoma_Mike) (66.138.8.205) on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:10 pm:

Curt,
A rock band which seemes to draw some inspiration from this case sparked my memory. A post on March 14 2001 listeda link to a site regarding a band called Nuclear Blast (the link since is shut down)
in which the band used the line 'sick of living, unwilling to die" in a song titled "the Killing Fields"! ALso, the album cover showed a fantastic killing machine sort of like a robot on Robat Combat and at one point on the image was teh crossed-circle Zodiac symbol! Interesting how the
influence is out there!

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.196) on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 11:13 am:

Mike said, "Interesting how the influence is out there!"

I agree and am not really surprised that a case as strange as the Zodiac murders, especially as far as some of the weirder implications are concerned, would inspire rock musicians to song.

~Curt,
The Z Files

By Mike_D (Mike_D) (spider-wo073.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.200.53) on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 08:24 pm:

Yeah-I did a Google image search on zodiac killer once
and in adition to the immortal Jakewark I found
an image of a guy with a Zodiac killer tatoo on his arm!No kidding.It was the classic Graysmith
hood pic surrounded by hellfire!
It was really quite fetching,but I'd hate to meet the guy who had it in a dark alley or lovers lane at night....

By Curt (Curt) (1cust196.tnt1.seattle2.wa.da.uu.net - 67.226.25.196) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 06:42 am:

Wow, I've got plenty of tatoos myself (15 years in the Merchant Marine), but all the ones I have were done in such a way as to represent aspects of my personality or to mark important events in my life.

I kinda hope the same thing doesn't apply to the Zodiac tatoo guy you mention . . .

~Curt

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-146.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.146) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 01:44 pm:

I had a band a few years ago, and we performed a song about the Zodiac murders, but it wasn't anything gruesome or even darkly humorous--it was a neutral narrative, like the old folk songs.

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.76) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 02:29 pm:

Oddball: Did you record the Zodiac song?

Curt

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acc056bf.ipt.aol.com - 172.192.86.191) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 03:47 pm:

Wasn't it Guns & Roses who did a Charles Manson song? I'm surprised they didn't do a Z song...

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.76) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:11 pm:

Yeah, that was G 'n R. They recorded Manson's Look at Your Game, Girl which is actually a very good tune (I have a copy of the original "LIE" album, Manson's only LP, that has this song on it; he sounds like a folky Bing Crosby with a scratchy voice).

The Beach Boys also recorded a Manson tune, Cease to Exist which appears on their "20-20" album under the title Never Learn Not to Love.

~Curt,
The Z Files

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.76) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:29 pm:

Here's a link to the Zodiac tattoo that Mike D mentions above.

~Curt

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-201.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.201) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 04:54 pm:

Curt: It was recorded, but only in a very rough version. We just never had access to a good studio.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tc053.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.17.43) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:06 pm:

Wow, that tattoo is really wild! I wonder what possessed/inspired the owner to have a tattoo of the Zodiac? It also looks like a little bit of artistic license was used. Doesn’t it seem like the circle on the hood has a star in it rather than a cross? Also, Z is depicted holding a revolver instead of a pistol. I wonder why these changes, if in fact I’m seeing them correctly, were made while otherwise retaining so much detail of Graysmith’s original?

Oddball,

I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to hear that song. Do you still have it on tape somewhere?

Scott

By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - 12.246.187.137) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 08:57 pm:

"Look At Your Game Girl" is at the end of the last track that's entitled "I Don't Care About You" on Guns N' Roses' "The Spaghetti Incident" album. The song is not separated and not listed and you have to play "I Don't Care About You" to hear it. I read somewhere when the album first came out that they did that so that Geffen Records wouldn't know it and protest it. There's three categories of "Thank You's" on the record credits and under "A Very Special Thanks To Our Immediate Family Who Were With Us Throughout The Tour" they thank "Charlie". Almost every other person mentioned, and I'd say off hand at least a hundred people, shows a first and last name.

By Mike_D (Mike_D) (spider-wn024.proxy.aol.com - 205.188.197.159) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:17 pm:

Come to think of it a few years ago somewhere on the net I saw the site of a group w/a whole album
of serial killer songs.The Zodiac song was as suggested above a rock version of "the Executioner's song" from the Mikado.

I only read the lyrics and didn't buy the album.
But it covered all bases Ed Gein,Dahmer etc.
The only one I remember much of was Ted Bundy
the lyrics where shear poetry something like:
Yeah Ted took women to the woods and smashed
their heads...
yeah he took them to the woods amd smashed their heads....and etc.
I guess you can see why I didn't buy their album or even remember the groups name alas!
p.s.looking at it again that Zodiac tatoo looks more like the Unknown Comic than Z-hey you don't think.................

By Nomad (Nomad) (ac9754ac.ipt.aol.com - 172.151.84.172) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:55 pm:

Just to clarify a few things:

1. The Beach Boys recorded and released "Never Learn Not to Love" before the Tate-LaBianca murders.

2. As far as the Guns N' Roses track--there is much to suggest that only one member of the band (guess who) wanted it on the disc and that the only other member who knew of its existence was vehemently against releasing it. It's not that important. I just thought that it was worth noting that not all members of those two bands would associate themselves with Manson, especially after he became famous.

I doubt anybody is interested, but I am an aspiring wanna-be/would-be songwriter, and I'm working on a song called "Atascadero" that mentions "Lee Allen's ghost." Otherwise, it has nothing to do with Zodiac ... I think.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tb054.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.174) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:18 pm:

Nomad wrote, "I'm working on a song called "Atascadero" that mentions "Lee Allen's ghost." Otherwise, it has nothing to do with Zodiac ... I think."

That's very cool . . . I sort of freaked just thinking about the concept as you described it. Wait until Zodiac Unmasked has been released . . . perhaps it will remove some doubt and inspire some great lyrics.

Scott

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-133.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.133) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 12:43 am:

Scott: I'm sure the demo CD is around here somewhere--I'll see if I can dig it up this weekend.
Nomad: I hope we can hear "Atascadero" when it's finished!

By Curt (Curt) (1cust58.tnt1.seattle2.wa.da.uu.net - 67.226.25.58) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 05:55 am:

Nomad wrote, "The Beach Boys recorded and released "Never Learn Not to Love" before the Tate-LaBianca murders.

That's correct. It is my understanding that Dennis Wilson was the Beach Boy who wanted to record the song and that the other members were not as infatuated with "the scruffy little guru" (as one Beach Boy referred to Manson) as Wilson was. The song Cease to Exist is actually a very good one (Manson did have musical talent) and the Beach Boy version remains pretty much as Manson wrote it with the exception of some minor changes in the lyrics.

Oddball wrote, "I'm sure the demo CD is around here somewhere--I'll see if I can dig it up this weekend.

Heck, I wanna here it, too! Make an mp3 of it and post a link on this board so we can all download it! (And if you don't have webspace in which to host the file, send it to me and I'll host it for you).

~Curt

By Mcgarrett2000 (Mcgarrett2000) (trigger.library.ucsf.edu - 128.218.15.86) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 01:46 pm:

While we are on the subj. of Manson recordings, what about the rumors surrounding the BLACK FLAG album "FAMILY MAN?" Supposedly some of the spoken word stuff on the record that Rollins performs was penned by Manson. SST Records (BF's label and a very influential 1980s hardcore punk label) got ahold of some demos or lyrics from Manson that was supposed to be released as a Manson record. Instead Greg Ginn (BF guitarist and owner of SST) decided to release the material as a Black Flag record and and in doing so gave Manson no credit for any material he contributed. Of course, the big question is: how do you tell the Henry Rollins poetry from Manson's?

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.167) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 02:38 pm:

Mcgarrett2000 asked, . . . the big question is: how do you tell the Henry Rollins poetry from Manson's?

LOL, that wouldn't be easy!

Actually, it would. I have been to a Rollins "Spoken Word" gig; he tries very hard to present himself as someone whose thought is way out there on the edge somewhere. And while it may work in some poetic/artistic sense, Rollins will never be half the madman that Manson is, no mattter how hard he tries.

~Curt

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-td033.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.17.163) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:05 pm:

"Rollins will never be half the madman that Manson is . . ."

I certainly hope not.

By Mcgarrett2000 (Mcgarrett2000) (trigger.library.ucsf.edu - 128.218.15.86) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:32 pm:

I should add on that that the Manson/Rollins connection on the Black Flag "Family Man" record has never been confirmed or really denied. It was something I remember being reported in punk rock zines (Maximum Rock and Roll) of the time and there was lots of speculation about it. The Manson lyrics on BF's FM is really a kind of punk rock urban legend.

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (pdx-cfi-90.navi.net - 208.211.19.90) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 03:33 pm:

Maybe this discussion should move to the "General Conversation" topic...

By Mcgarrett2000 (Mcgarrett2000) (trigger.library.ucsf.edu - 128.218.15.86) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 05:41 pm:

Sorry for the digression Tom, it is just a tangent but actually I have said all I have to say about it. Unfortunately, Arthur Leigh Allen or Lawrence Kane never wrote any folk tunes to my knowledge.

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-72.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.72) on Wednesday, March 27, 2002 - 09:57 pm:

Curt and Scott: Thanks for your interest--I will let you guys know when I get my hands on the CD!

By Curt (Curt) (63.174.96.240) on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 08:04 am:

Oddball: No worries and thanks.

Curt

By Oddball (Oddball) (slip-32-103-46-75.al.us.prserv.net - 32.103.46.75) on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:52 pm:

Hi again, everyone. I've found the CD, and I'll be putting up some mp3's of "The Perfect Hell"(the Zodiac song) and some others very soon.

By Curt (Curt) (1cust99.tnt1.seattle2.wa.da.uu.net - 67.226.25.99) on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 09:58 am:

Oddball: Cool, can't wait to hear 'em.

~Curt

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-tb084.proxy.aol.com - 198.81.16.189) on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 10:56 am:

Oddball: Cool indeed! I definitely would like to hear it as well!

By Oddball (Oddball) (dialup-209.245.164.250.dial1.seattle1.level3.net - 209.245.164.250) on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 10:31 am:

Sorry about the lengthy delay...the MP3's should be up on a friend's webpage soon, for anyone who's still interested.

Oddball

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) (d150-160-190.home.cgocable.net - 24.150.160.190) on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:38 pm:

Here is a band that is heavily influenced by Dahmer. However there I could not find any Zodiac on there, there are other serial killers referenced in there.
http://www.murdermetal.com/

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (12.81.120.149) on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 - 09:39 pm:

My Syd Barrett buddy Jim Moser & I set the Riverside desk poem to music in 1982, and composed a number of interesting ditties related to the case which I still have on cassette tape. I should copy it for Tom Voight's archives.

Manson & the Beach Boys is a fascinating story. The Beach Boys are the Laura Palmer of American pop music.

"...and I ain't had a live girl since 1969..."
--VEGAS IS OURS, AT LAST
--James D.D. Moser, 1982