Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Zodiac Media: LETTERS ON KTVU

By Metalex (Metalex) (104.sanjose-11rh15rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 11:09 pm:

FYI a channel 2 KTVU report on the Z letters will be on the 10pm news 4/27.

By Spencer (Spencer) (acc3f5c5.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 01:35 am:

It's gonna be about Graysmith and ALA, if the following blurb from their website is to be believed:

"Saturday, April 27 -- 'ZODIAC LETTERS'
He claimed 37 murders and disappeared into the Bay Area fog. A rare look at the 'Zodiac Killer's' actual letters, and an interview with the author of a new book on the subject, who points to a suspect Rita Williams interviewed back in 1991. Rita Williams reports.


How is it a "rare look" at the letters when Tom has posted them all at this site?


By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (191.philadelphia01rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 06:02 am:

So far as the media are concerned, Graysmith is the only authority on the case. They never look past their own noses, nor do they ever get anything right.

By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-wo053.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 09:11 am:

True Doug,
I found this little True Crime book that amongst other things says that Kathleen's little child was a boy.

By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 01:53 pm:

I read a true crime book (the name of which I cannot recall) about 10 years ago and it said that the Zodiac stabbed people "in the shape of the Zodiac".

By Howard Davis (Howard) (spider-ntc-tb011.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 04:58 pm:

Robert Graysmith was the pioneer in lay Zodiac research and wrote the first book which has sold into the millions worldwide and as such the media recognizes that.I do not begrudge him the reconition and book sales.All of the main Zodiac projects started from his book.Many criticize his work,but overall it did raise the awareness of the case.If we see mistakes ,then note and go on.Why do we have to bash him?As far as his opinions in the Z case go,he has that right and one can respectfully disagree.

Esau,,that was Dr. Joel Norris in his book on serial killers.He wasn't that informed on Zodiac and mentioned the case as an aside.He raised the awarness regarding brain damage as one of the factors in serial killer mentality and activity.Dr.Daniel G.Amen has taken ADD and brain damage related behavior to even a higher level with over 10,000 Spect scans!I think all of Amens books are fantastic and one can apply his findings as they relate to the serial killer mind set.

By Spencer (Spencer) (acbe1776.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 05:52 pm:

"Why do we have to bash him?"

Because it's so much fun?

Graysmith is a big boy, and has written two books on the Zodiac case. The recent flak regarding Doris Kearns Goodwin and Stephen Ambrose prove the utility of critically questioning the accuracy and honesty of those who write books (especially bestsellers) that are intended to educate/inform. True, Graysmith got most of us started on the Z case, but we shouldn't revere him as a Z-eity merely because he had the dedication and foresight to write a book with great commercial potential . . .

Had Graysmith rested on Zodiac, I don't think that the criticism would be as great, but having offered a new book on the subject that contains many of the same errors as the first (from 15 years ago) makes him fair game for attack (especially with all of the other, better information sources out there today -- i.e., Zodiackiller.com and Zodiacspeaking.com -- whose creators were, at least slightly, inspired by Graysmith).


By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-186-54.client.attbi.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 09:56 pm:

If anyone watches the segment, I'd like to hear about it.

By Ed N (Ed_N) (acbe244e.ipt.aol.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 10:56 pm:

The segment was just on, and ran about 6 minutes. There was some new information, and they interviewed Susan Morton, a forensics documents examiner (presumably for SFPD). She said that there was a lot of circumstantial evidence about Allen that fit, but a lot that didn't. She also showed a palm print that was discovered on the 10-13-1969 letter, and speculated that, as DNA profiling was unknown 30 years ago, so there may be some techniques 30 years from now that might help ID Z, and so they are preserving the letters as best as possible. Kelly Carroll was interviewed as well, saying that Z was sophisticated, but hoped he was not too sophisticated that he didn't leave anything behind to be found. They ran Rita Williams' 1991 interview with Allen, and they showed a letter he mailed to her shortly afterwards. The envelope was dated 7-30-1991, while the enclosed typewritten letter was dated 8-1-1991. Graysmith was on too, and he claimed that Allen was about to be arrested but died before they could do so. He admitted that Allen's writing didn't match Z's, but suggested that his personality changed while he was Z to account for the difference (what happened to the projector theory???). That was basically it...

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-224-186-54.client.attbi.com - on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 11:05 pm:

Hmmm...what date comes between 7-30 and 8-1??? What a joker, that Allen.

Wait! I thought SFPD used the Exorcist letter evidence to eliminate him?!?

I hate this case.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-ntc-ta074.proxy.aol.com - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 12:34 am:

"I hate this case."

Fu*kin' A . . .

By Esau (Esau) (12-246-187-137.client.attbi.com - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 07:41 am:

One thing that bothered me about Graysmith's projection theory was the fact that Zodiac wrote on Bryan Hartnell's car door. That hat to be free hand.

By Tony (Mahalo) (hnllhi1-ar1-4-63-132-167.hnllhi1.dsl-verizon.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:05 am:

Scott,Tom,ect...Don't get too frustrated with this case fellow board members...it's only the scariest and most perplexing crime since Jack The Ripper.That's why we're hooked. BTW, any DNA news!! Slackers.

By Judy (Judy) (waf-dc31-51.rasserver.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:18 am:

Spencer, I agree. I was very disappointed at the
lack of any new information in ZU, and the perpet-
uation of either inaccurate or misguided data.

However, I still feel that the projection theory
has some merit. Some of the printing
in Zodiac's letters does have a strange quality-
that looks rather unnatural to have been formed
by free hand.


By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (19.philadelphia01rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:55 am:

If I had to speculate, I'd say that Zodiac wrote the letters opposite-handed. The manic-style letters have a definite awkward look about them and there is no evidence of re-tracing lines, as there usually is when a person is writing in a relaxed mode using his normal side. The pen is lifted with the completion of each stroke. This disguises the individual idiosyncracies of the writing style.

By Judy (Judy) (waf-dc31-51.rasserver.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 01:00 pm:

Doug, like everything else in this case, it seems
there are numerous speculations one can make regarding the handwriting. I still feel that some
of the writing-especially the letter to Belli-just
doesn't seem to be of a natural nature-- opposite
handed or not. It appears to be just a little too
perfectly formed to me...size of letters, spacing,

I also have some reservations about the theory the
Zodiac was drinking or doing drugs while writing
his letters. In some letters, the change in his
handwriting seems to happen almost instantly. In
my experience, it usally takes awhile for drugs/
alcohol to kick in.

I think maybe he started out using some kind of
tracing mechanism in some of the letters--then quickly became tired of the
time and tediousness involved using such a mode
would require.

Of course, just simply speculation on my part...


By Jake (Jake) (spider-mtc-tc013.proxy.aol.com - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 02:04 pm:

Tom wrote:
"I hate this case."

That's going on my site's main page, right between the quotes from Jack Levin and Vince Repetto.

I gotta get a new hobby. Like basket weaving.


By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (56.philadelphia-18-19rs.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 03:17 pm:

Or the Shroud of Turin.

By Metalex (Metalex) (96.sanjose-11rh16rt-ca.dial-access.att.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 05:31 pm:

Graysmith was on KGO News Talk Radio last week on Wednesday I believe he was doing another interview for "Unmasked".

By Douglas Oswell (Dowland) (230.philadelphia08rh.16.pa.dial-access.att.net - on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 05:40 pm:

I can't say I blame him. It's hard to sell books unless they're promoted, and Graysmith seems to understand the business aspect of being an author as well as the creative side.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-136.linkline.com - on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 01:00 am:

I did post to "note" his mistakes,whatever form they may be,either in posts or other means.The good that he has done for the case should be brought out with equal relish.No book by an author is perfect.I just don't believe in author bashing.