The Zodiac Killer, 1970s flick Message Board: Zodiac Media: The Zodiac Killer, 1970s flick

By Alex ( - on Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 11:03 pm:

I found a copy the other night at the local video store. It's really awful... not true to the facts at all. Unless, that is, the Zodiac DID kill an elderly woman with a spare tire and we never found out about it. And unless, of course, he DID push a man in a wheelchair down a steep hill to his demise. Paul Avery must have flipped when he saw they named him a "consultant" in the closing credits. Let's hope the new movie does the case some justice.

By Ed N. ( - on Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 12:21 am:

One thing I had wondered about was the strange subplot with the guy who it is hinted might be Z, who later threatens to kill his daughter, spots the newspaper on his front porch that has a headline about Z, and suddenly yells that he is Z, and is shot and killed by cops.

That was actually lifted from the Chronicle story by Paul Avery (consultant to the movie as well), "Cop Rescues Child: Berserk S.F. Man Is Slain" (11-22-1969, p. 3). This was David Martin, the suspect Sandy mentioned a week or two back. He was eliminated as a suspect based on fingerprints (also obviously because Z continued to write letters after Martin's death).

Anyway, that part of the movie makes more sense now (thanks Sandy!). The movie is still bad though. Oh, well...

By Anonymous ( - on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 12:22 pm:

Does anyone know if the film is currently available on video?

By Tom Voigt ( - on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 01:04 pm:

It's not hard to find, especially on Ebay.
WARNING: It's a horrendous film.

By Ed N. ( - on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 - 01:15 pm:

It is. Someone mentioned several months back that he or she bought it at, but it is currently unavailable through them. I ordered mine through Sub Rosa Studios in Syracuse, NY, for $20.

Also, there's another short video I've mentioned before, Disguised Killer, which is based on the LHR murders. It is an interesting take on that part of the case, and the cast is Philippino. It's available at Zodiac Killer film for sale, in Vallejo, for $15.

By Oscar ( - on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 01:13 am:

The 20th-Century Fox Zodiac project is, as they say in tinseltown, a "bust". One of my father's best friends is a well-connected studio exec who looked into it for me. He says the project is "dead in the water", and that there was very little buzz about it. Too bad! A high-quality Z film may have re-ignited the public's interest in the case.

By Ed N. ( - on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 01:37 am:

Then maybe one of the independents should do it. They're always looking for a good movie to make them a few dollars!

By Caro6 ( - on Monday, October 02, 2000 - 02:57 pm:

Sometimes the independents are much more closer to the "reality" than the other's!
Just a for thought...believe or not...etc...

By Twagner129 (Twagner129) ( - on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 12:18 am:

Better not to make a film than to make a bad film regarding the case.

By Oscar (Oscar) ( - on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 08:11 pm:

I could not disagree more vehemently! This film is a bloody masterpiece of modern cinema- even better than an Alan Smithee production. It is perhaps the only recitation of the Zodiac story ( I am loathe to use the word 'case') that makes Graysmith seem rational, scholarly, and-gulp!- even erudite. This is, if you have read Graysmith, no easy task. I saw it once, and I do not ever have to see it again. Think about it. It was such a complete artistic statement that I never have to see it again!
Anyone care to comment on "The Limbic System"?
p.s. Penn in 2004. He is RADIANt!

By Oscar (Oscar) ( - on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 08:14 pm:

Sorry, I meant to say "The Limbic Region"...a heck of a difference.

By Ed N. (Edn) ( - on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 11:42 pm:

The Limbic Region was, I thought, quite a good treatment of the Z case, even though they melded some characters, changed names of places and people, etc etc... the cast was good too (did anyone notice who the teacher was? A certain "cancer man" from The X-Files? OK, so you could only see his reflection in the window on the door...).

By Esau (Esau) ( - on Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 05:18 pm:

I just put 'Zodiak Killer' up for sale on eBay for $3.00. The movie is terrible but interesting.

By Spencer (Spencer) ( - on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 05:13 pm:

"People shouldn't eat rabbits" is one of the greatest lines in movie history. Guys, this movie is excellent. The actor who played the Hartnell character was a dead-ringer (for Spinal Tap's Derek Smalls).


By Mike_D (Mike_D) ( - on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 07:38 pm:

I thought the scene w/Z's father taking a leek while Z pours his heart out was cool.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) ( - on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 10:17 pm:

Let's not forget Avery's stellar performance!

By Juno (Juno) ( - on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 03:51 pm:

This movie is great! I tried watching it once in the 80s on video and couldn't get through it. However, I just got the DVD and it rocks!

Things i learned from this movie:

Zodiac wore a black wig with a nose and sunglasses
disguise to do his thing.

He is really "the supreme zodiac"

It all started because his pet rabbit died. !?!?

There are some hilarious murders too, my personal favorite being the woman with the broken down car. Z tells her to "hold on really tight" to the carb and then slams the hood down on her a few times and THEN gleefully jumps up and down on
top of the hood for good measure.

My second favorite is the woman whose tire he shoots out. He then offers to help change it. The woman tells him she is psychic and can read minds, Z asks her if she can read his. As she is kneeling down by the tire he tells her to "concentrate really hard." Then he bashes her over the head with the spare tire.

If you have a few drinks, it's even better.

There is another movie on the DVD called "The Sex Killer" which is pretty entertaining as well. Watching this guy ask to borrow a mannequin is too much. Then he steals a mannequin head from a store and rides on the bus with it. Then he takes it on a dinner date at a bar. All of this is accompanied by a pretty groovy surfy/garagey sounding intrumental.

Anyway, if you haven't seen the "zodiak killer" you really need to. It's a riot!

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) ( - on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 05:04 pm:

If you notice during the Hartnell Sheppard scene, Hartnell is laying down facing Zodiak. But when you look at it from Zodiak's perspective, Hartnell is sitting facing away from Zodiak.

I also love the orgasmic sound Zodiak made after stabbing the two.

Another error is that after he stabbed them, he has no blood on the white zodiac symbol, but later in the phone booth there is some on it.

By Ryan Olesin (Ryan) ( - on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 05:32 pm:

I put some clips on my site.

Zodiak Killer

By Bookworm (Bookworm) ( - on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 06:05 pm:

Does anyone else think that Hartnel looks a little bit like Abe Lincoln in this flick? And they have a flag patterned swim suit on Cecelia.

We know Hartnel didn't have a beard and Cecelia wasn't in a swim suit? What's the implication if there is any?

By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) ( - on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 06:14 pm:

"What's the implication if there is any?"

Bookworm, of all the Zodiac material available to discuss, why are you scrutinizing a bad, low budget movie?

By Juno (Juno) ( - on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 06:14 pm:

Artistic License

By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) ( - on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:40 pm:

It's like addressing the phenomena of weird things in the sky by critiquing PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

By Sandy (Sandy) ( - on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 03:53 pm:

Ryan, I am sure other's beside myself enjoy your site very much,great work thank you!