Zodiac: Dear Boss
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|By Tom Voigt (Admin) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:48 pm:|
On Sept. 27, 1969, the Zodiac attacked a young couple at Lake Berryessa and wrote a
message on their car door.
On Sept. 27, 1888, the "Dear Boss" letter was received at the Central News Agency in London. It was the first letter to use the name "Jack the Ripper."
Just coincidence, or did Zodiac have knowledge of the Ripper case?
|By Nick (Nick) (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:33 pm:|
I do believe Zodiac was knowledgable about the Ripper case, though I think the dates may be coincidental.
|By Nathan R. (cache-ntc-ac12.proxy.aol.com - 188.8.131.52) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 05:42 pm:|
I find the British connection very interesting. I've read alot on this message board
about Z's fraising of words, and I've found that all his weird choice of words amounts to
him being from England(just speculitive).
Here's something new-
I have done some research on MI-5 and MI-6(the british spy agencys), and found a interesting story about a agent gone bad durring the sixties and seventies. He went a little nuts durring a assination attempt of a African leader, and berely escaped his own agents from killing him and made it to the US. Once in the US the CIA and Black Ops Bretheren(men in black) tried to catch him for extridition to England where he could be prosicuted and convicted of treason. It's rumored that he was so well programmed to kill that where ever he went he would plot and kill inissint victims that fit in with his MO. He also was very angry at both the British and US atorities, and saw law enforcement and FBI as the enemy. As the story goes, he was caught in Oregan and reprogramed by the Block Ops Bretheren, then in 1974 he was sent to Central and South America to help out with political assinations. That's all I have found so far but this British connection is really intersting.
|By Nathan R. (cache-ntc-ac12.proxy.aol.com - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 06:28 pm:|
By the way, here is a cool link that talks about brainwashed "sleeper
assassins" in conection with Zodiac, Son of Sam, Manson, and others.
|By Muskogee (Muskogee) (209-223-48-102-dyndsl.oplnk.net - 220.127.116.11) on Friday, October 17, 2003 - 08:16 pm:|
I can't imagine Z didn't draw some inspiration from the Ripper crimes. While the details vary, their psychological profiles seem very similar, with the theatrics of writing to the papers almost appearing needy in attention-seeking (depending on how many of the Ripper letters we are to believe are truely written by him). Both appeared to value the shock-value of their crimes as much/more so than the crime itself.
|By Ed N. (Ed_N) (acc2c426.ipt.aol.com - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 12:48 am:|
Considering Z's apparent preoccupation with time, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Z intentionally chose 9-27 for his LB crime and to leave a message. I've always wondered if Z's crimes were not just inspired by, but were also a sort of a "tip of the hat" to JTR and others as well (perhaps Z thought, "Wow, JTR was great, he got away with murder, I bet I can too").
|By Alan Cabal (Alan_Cabal) (cache-dk01.proxy.aol.com - 22.214.171.124) on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 03:33 am:|
The Ripper and the Texarkana Moonlight Murderer were clearly influences.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 126.96.36.199) on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 08:44 am:|
I don't think it was a coincidence. Consider this with the information on the newest Zodiac letter.
August 31st is when Polly Nichols was murdered in Bucks Row by the Ripper. The man who found Polly was Charles Cross. August 31st is the birth date of Eldridge Cleaver.
According to Phillip Sugdens book, the first victims after the Dear Boss letter were Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes. A bloody apron (compare with the Stine shirt) was found on the ground in a Jewish sector of London not too far from the last murder site. Written on a black wall in chalk were the words ( which look similar in form to the desktop poem):
The Juwes are
The men That
According to Sugden, the "W" in "Will" was under the "T" in "That", and the "f" in for was under the letters "la" in "blamed".
On September 27th , Z wrote on a white car with black letters the dates of his murders. If he has used permanent marker, it cant be wash off like the chalk was.
Jules Vernes Journey to the Center of the Earth was written in 1871, 17 (row length in the ciphers) years before the Ripper murders. There are 44 chapters in the story, roman numeral XLIV. If you add Elizabeth Strides initials to the end, it reads X LIVES. Also, Eldridge Cleavers initials in reverse are Cathering Eddowes initials CE.
Susan Atkin's initials are the reverse of "Arne Saknussemm" the writer of the cryptograph in the story, JTTCOTE. The Letters C OTT with leftover letters JTE, Journey To Earth? Henry is the Professor who discovered the cryptograph in the story.
|By Tom Voigt (Tom_Voigt) (12-231-193-32.client.attbi.com - 188.8.131.52) on Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 12:10 pm:|
What does August 31 have to do with anything?
|By Nick (Nick) (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 02:00 am:|
Terror for the mere sake of terror is not a particularly unique behavioral psychosis. Gaining fame from it is. There are only a handful of examples to serve as influence.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 220.127.116.11) on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 06:58 pm:|
Maybe August 31st has to do with a span of time. The September 27th Dear Boss letter is 27 days from August 31st.
The cipher letters were mailed on July 31st. If you subtract 27 days from July 31st, that's July 4th. If they were received on August 1st, subtract 27 days and you get July 5th the murder date of Darlene Ferrin.
According to Zodiac, Darlene was wearing a flowered jumpsuit. Polly (August 31st) and Elizabeth Stride (September 30th 2 days after the Dear Boss letter was received), lived at 32 Flower and Dean at the time of their murders.
32 is one of Z's favorite numbers, and Dean was Darlene's husband's name. Also, the flowered material was given to Darlene. Elizabeth Stride the evening she was killed gave a friend at her residence a large piece of material to hold (green velvet). Similar in some ways.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 02:55 pm:|
Here's something else interesting. If you take the 31st and add it to the 27th, it
totals 58. 5/8 is the date of the Citizen letter. As before, subtracting 27 from 7/31 you
get 7/4. These are the numeric digits of the date of the Citizen letter 5/8/74.
I have to correct myself. Polly lived at 56 Flower and Dean. Polly Nichols, Catherine Eddowes, and Elizabeth Stride had at sometime lived on that street. Some of this info is from the Casebook.org site, in Tom's link page.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, October 27, 2003 - 06:05 pm:|
Another thought. Zodiac Killer 1969, Jack the Ripper 1888, that's 81 years. In the July 31st, 1969 letters, Z gives a deadline of August 1st, 8/1. Again same numerical digits.
|By Howard Davis (Howard) (pool0723.cvx16-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 12:24 am:|
In reviewing my second fav' case JTR,I couldn't find any real consistent date line ups
to Z.Tom found a good one though.
I do think this statement reflects the Ripper case facts quite well:"But I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see...I then finished the job by cutting her throat."I am stalking your girls now." matches Zs posture in 1888 also.
The Ripper was associated with 'dark alleys' and the writer used alley/s three times in the '66 Confession.See Zodiacs 1970 Torture letter to parallel the same kind of morbid thinking.
I have always believed that Z read true detective magazines and one case that was written about constantly was the Ripper case.
It would have influenced him at an early stage in his murderous career as shown in the Confession. FYI
RS detectives believed that the perp BEGAN by trying to strangle Bates -as did the Ripper(he brought his victims to an unconsious state by choking them and then he would quickly lay them down and cut their throats violently,as we find with Cheri Jo in the her autopsy report.
The decision to write a letter could have been in imitation of the Ripper.He couldn't have known that the Lusk'kidney from hell' letter was probably the only real Ripper communication.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 05:18 am:|
Maybe the "Fry." (Friday) in the July 31st letters was an allusion to the Ripper "From Hell" letter where he said he ate the other half of the kidney.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 05:47 am:|
Here's some more trivia for the date of the 27th. Polly Nichols lodging house, called
the "White House" at the time of her death was 56 Flower and Dean." Grover Cleveland was
the U.S. president in 1888.
He was the only president to marry in office. His wife Frances (Frank)was 27 years younger than him. Their first child was born in 1891, between his two terms (he was re-elected after Harrison). Cleveland's second two children, born in his second term, were the only children ever to be born in the White House.
There was a Cleveland Street "Royal Conspiracy" surrounding the Ripper murders. Could the Zodiac be a child born out of wedlock?
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 06:49 am:|
Always forgetting something:
The president before Cleveland (first term) was Chester Alan Arthur. Similar to Arthur Allen.
|By J Eric Freedner (J_Eric) (dsc15-lai-ca-206-217-22-166.rasserver.net - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 07:20 pm:|
Not sure about Grover the Good or Chet Arthur, but Gilbert & Sullivan were "doing their thing" about the time of the JTR murders. The Mikado came out May 1, 1885. See http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/html/mikado.html So reading about The Mikado (even Zodiac's fractured version) brings us back to that time.
|By Bookworm (Bookworm) (12-208-89-114.client.attbi.com - 22.214.171.124) on Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 08:42 am:|
Cleveland married Frances on June 2, 1886. June 2nd date would be the Sunday before
the 1963 Santa Barbara murders.
Cleveland took office on March 4, 1885. J, your reference link shows the Mikado making its debut on 4/14/85.
Getting back to the Dear Boss letter. Biographies of Eisenhower (stamp) say he was called "The Boss," as was Truman's wife.
|By J Eric Freedner (J_Eric) (dsc03-lai-ca-206-217-9-177.rasserver.net - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:40 am:|
Bookworm, The Mikado would by necessity have been written before its April 1885 debut, putting it within the term of President "See Allen, Arthur." BOSS is also an anagram for SOB's--expression a serial killer might use.