Where has Zodiac been? Where is Z now?

Zodiackiller.com Message Board: Theories: Where has Zodiac been? Where is Z now?

By MDB (Michael_D_Brown) (micro53.lib3.hawaii.edu - on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 03:34 pm:

Since we all know the main perpetrator of the Zodiac murders is about to be apprehended, this might be our only opportunity to guess where Z has been the last 20 years, and where Z might be arrested before the mystery is resolved by his own confession and arrest.
My guess:
Trail: Lake Constance
Arrest site: Europe

By Spencer (Spencer) (tcache-wo01.proxy.aol.com - on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 04:04 pm:

MDB writes:
>Since we all know the main perpetrator of the Zodiac murders is about to be apprehended

Huh? I know I haven't visited this site in over 24 hours, but has so much changed since then?

Europe, huh? You're really getting specific.


By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx2-162.linkline.com - on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 10:21 pm:

Lake Constance!-a friend told me he saw Zodiac water skiing on that lake in full costume!Z then went to the Cannes Film Festival in Europe(you are right!). Another friend told me she heard Z say to her friend "I am waiting for a good movie about me who will play me"? My friend said when this man stated that he had to BeBold in going to Europe in '78 from S.F.as "I was too hot there",she then got scared.

By Sandy (Sandy) (1cust49.tnt3.missoula.mt.da.uu.net - on Saturday, May 26, 2001 - 05:26 pm:

Howard you just reminded me of the time Z said he was in Oklahoma. He called a radio station and said it got too hot for him in the S.F.bay area,and had just moved there. What you wrote is very funny, I am still laughing,but all kidding aside. A few years ago Pam told me that Kane was being watched, and he was taking a trip to Europe.For all the rest of you,I believe he was not far away after 78,and was still doing his thing just like he said he would.Before 78 he was on the east coast for a few years doing his thing. I think he left after Arlis Perry was killed in 74 at Stanford. I also believe he killed Edda Kane in Aug. of 79 with a 44cal.snub nose bull dog,like the one used in the Son of Sam killings just before.He then went up the north coast and killed what ever was easy.Don't forget he likes to travel,Darlene let us know that!

By Parry Haskin (Parhas) (spider-tn084.proxy.aol.com - on Sunday, May 27, 2001 - 08:55 am:

Sandy, you lose credibility with just about every thing you post. Edda Kane was a confirmed victim of David Carpenter (Trailside Killer). What are you trying to say about Arliss Perry? On second thought, don't answer that.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-195.linkline.com - on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 08:59 am:

Sandy:Zodiac called the Oakland PD, at least the caller said he was the Zodiac ,and wanted either F. Lee Baily or Melvin Belli to represent him.

A caller claiming to be Z also called the Palo Alto times and claimed it was too hot for him in S.F.,etc. I do not recall Z claiming he went or was even from Oklahoma!Z the Oakie-nice ring!

By MDB (Michael_D_Brown) (micro58.lib3.hawaii.edu - on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 04:59 pm:

He passed through Indiana. (Had to pick up his Bebbole)

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 09:44 pm:

Howard I will find the clipping,and post the date it was written and which paper it was in. I didn't dream this,and it wasn't something I heard.Your right ,it does have a nice ring. "Lubbock" Texas is not that far from Oklahoma!

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-228.linkline.com - on Wednesday, May 30, 2001 - 12:31 am:

MDB-Yeah- he was in his Bebbole mobile!

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 08:00 pm:

Howard, On 12/8/69 page48 col.8 Man claiming to be Zodiac called a Oklahoma radio talk show and said he left Calif. because it got too hot for him. It didn't say anything about a Bebbole Mobile. LOL

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 08:16 pm:

Parry, Who are you a ex Cop from Boulder Colorado? Or a OJ trial reject? They never did prove David C. killed Edda Kane,they never found the 44 Pugg nosed Bulldog gun used to kill her. What was done was they put all of the victims in one basket, and blamed it on the Trailside killer. The police thought that the guy who Edda was seeing killed her, and then killed himself! Don't bad mouth me until you can prove me wrong, and can back up your own story.

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-149.linkline.com - on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 11:58 pm:

Sandy: I say the reporter got confused with the city of Oakland call when the Z caller requested Belli or F. Lee Baily and the Palo Alto Times call where the caller claims to be Zodiac and says he had to "leave San Francisco because I'm too hot there."Oakland and Oklahoma are a tad similar.

I wish there was more on this.You knew I was kidding about the Bebbole mobile?What paper was the article in? Z the Oakie-it has a nice rhyme to it!

By Parry Haskin (Parhas) (spider-wo034.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 05:57 am:

Well Sandy, Carpenter was not charged because they could not locate the murder weapon, and they had plenty of other cases to prosecute regarding the Trailside killings. They would have prosecuted if the other cases were not so rock solid. If you are the cop junkie that you claim to be,
you would know this. Put your money where your big mouth is and show the rest of us any hard evidence to back up any of your ridiculous claims.
You try to relate EK's killing to Z, and now you claim that an ex-lover is the killer! You're all over the place with your theories. Your Kane cabal could not have been responsible for all of the uncharged and unsolved murders in the SF Bay Area over the past 30 years. I would suggest you need professional help. Straight yourself out and then try to put a sensible theory together.

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 01:08 pm:

I still do relate EK's killing to z. I was trying to show you who the "police" thought killed her,D.C. did not! I have never said Kane was responsible for all the unsolved murders. I think you should take a good look at your self, and perhaps read slower, so you can get it straight. It is a well known fact that Isobel Watson was stabbed by Z at the base of "Mt Tam," or have "you" not done your home work? If you don't like what I post, then skip over mine, and read rest, I could care less what you think. If you want to show boat, you have picked the wrong place.

By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 01:36 pm:

Howard, of course I knew you were kidding, so was I. Maybe the news paper misprinted it,it was in the S.F. Chron. on 12/8/69 page 48/8. I read it again to be sure my eyes weren't playing games on me. The call to Oakland PD was on 10/22/69 at 2am. Z wanted to talk on the Jim Dunbar Tv talk show. The other story I am referring to was a call to a radio talk show in Oklahoma 2 mo. later. Did he tell Oakland Pd S.F. was too hot for him,and he was moving to Oakland? What I read was, he was too hot in Calif.I don't think moving to Oakland would make him not as hot. let me know what you think after you read it, I feel it is important to have this information corrected,I sure would like to know.

By Parry Haskin (Parhas) (spider-wo053.proxy.aol.com - on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 03:24 pm:

Sandy, Watson now also is a z victim? Agian, where do you come up with this stuff? If you could back up your assertations with just a
small amount of documentation, it might help your case, and others on this board might look at you with just a little bit of respect instead of the derision you seem to richly deserve. The Edda Kane case has been closed for many years, and is most definitely not related to z. Her killer is in prison!

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (dialup- - on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 11:33 pm:

Sandy wrote: "It is a well known fact that Isobel Watson was stabbed by Z at the base of 'Mt Tam'." It is? I have to agree with Parry, what evidence or documentation do you have that demonstrates this as a "fact?" I have been investigating the Z case for 15 years and have a ton of information in my files, and yet I have nothing that indicates that Watson was a verified Z victim. What have I overlooked? I apologize in advance for any oversights on my part.


By Sandy (Sandy) (c531918-a.ptbrg1.sfba.home.com - on Sunday, June 03, 2001 - 12:52 pm:

Parry, April 7th 72 Isobel Watson a 33 yr old secretary from S.f. got off a bus at Pine Hill, in Tamalpais Valley. A man in a white chevy swerved at her. When the Man, who looked to be in his early 40's 5ft 9, and wore heavy black rimmed glasses, asked her if he could give her a ride home ,( after saying he was sorry) . when she said no ,he got very angry,pulled out a knife and stabbed her in the back. Ken Narlow of Napa PD, felt is was a good chance it was the Zodiac. The description fit z to a Tee. It didn't fit David Carpenter at all! It sounded like zodiac to me also. Maybe some other nut case looking just like Z, was doing the same thing at the same time. I am sure if you look at the S.F. Chron. on 4/19/72 page 26 col 5, you can see for your self. Zodiac would have never bragged about this , because she was another one who got away, and could describe him.

By Jena (Jena) (spider-ntc-ta021.proxy.aol.com - on Sunday, June 03, 2001 - 10:02 pm:

Does anyone have any info on a possible killing in 1968-69 on Mt. Diablo or in the near area? Could it be the X is truely marking the spot...?
A man I spoke to at a coffee shop in town mentioned a murder of a relative and he said Mt.Diablo how specific he was i'm unsure...?

By Howard Davis (Howard) (ont-cvx1-35.linkline.com - on Sunday, June 03, 2001 - 11:07 pm:

Jena: A Cosette Ellison was found at the base of MT Diablo. She had been murdered March 3,1970 I believe, but found with the use of a heat sensing device many years later according to a Walnut Creek detective I spoke to some time ago.
There was a pickup seen in her area the day of her abduction.

At the county library in Pleasant Hill they have all the Contra Costa Times on film and you can follow from Elaine Davis' abduction to Pat King and Ellison's kidnapping starting at 12/2/69 to the 1970 editons.There are some good Zodiac articles also, as you go- starting with 12/21/68 to '78-and on in other editions too. I lost all my articles in a move.

I wish someone would copy all of these articles- and from other papers- even RPE, and make them available .Getting a microfilm for each year and then copy and sell them to we researchers would be a good project. I for one would purchase them !

As given,he same goes for someone who lives in Riverside.

By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - on Monday, June 04, 2001 - 12:51 pm:

Sandy: Okay, so Ken Narlow "felt (is) was a good chance it was the Zodiac," (in reference to the Stabbing of Watson) and the SF Chronicle ran a story about it in '72. Gee, my bad. If Ken Narlow "felt" it was a good chance that Z stabbed Watson, and the SF Chronicle ran a story about it then, heck, it must be a "fact." LOL.

Do you know the difference between "fact" and "speculation?" It sure doesn't seem that way.


By Scott Bullock (Scott_Bullock) (spider-wf033.proxy.aol.com - on Monday, June 04, 2001 - 01:11 pm:

Ps. FYI, the correct way of saying, "44 Pugg nosed Bulldog," is Charter Arms .44 Bulldog. Saying, "Pugg nosed" and "Bulldog" is repetitive because they mean EXACTLY the same thing. Any barrel length shorter than 3 1/2" is considered a snub-nosed pistol. Are you sure that you're not the one who is a former cop from Boulder, Co.?